Say whatever you want guys, but I love the Prequels for their Lightsaber duels. They are just so satisfying to watch.
They would of been so much better if they were shot better and slightly slower though..
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The ones in TFA were great, I can't wait for the ones in ep 8 and 9.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49419039]Say whatever you want guys, but I love the Prequels for their Lightsaber duels. They are just so satisfying to watch.[/QUOTE]
They were way too danc-ey for me. That couple with the fact that 90% of the swings made have no way of actually connecting with the opponent just makes them all feel very... bleh.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49419039]Say whatever you want guys, but I love the Prequels for their Lightsaber duels. They are just so satisfying to watch.[/QUOTE]
No, not really. They looked goofy. TFA had great lightsaber fighting.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49419039]Say whatever you want guys, but I love the Prequels for their Lightsaber duels. They are just so satisfying to watch.[/QUOTE]
interesting choice of words
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SWF9i3Vzpac/TMpz4ZSVEwI/AAAAAAAAA88/VDBItE6uTJE/s1600/Lightsaber+Battle.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Marzipas;49419117]interesting choice of words
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SWF9i3Vzpac/TMpz4ZSVEwI/AAAAAAAAA88/VDBItE6uTJE/s1600/Lightsaber+Battle.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Way to miss the point of that sequence, but I find that gif hilarious.
TPMs duels were perfect for the situation they were in IMO, although I know some'll post that video showing they'd never really hit each other. Thats the standard I expected of Jedi in their prime fighting, after that they went fucking nuts though, especially with fucking Yoda and Sheev.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49419129]Way to miss the point of that sequence, but I find that gif hilarious.[/QUOTE]
what's the point of that sequence
genuinely interested to know
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49419242]what's the point of that sequence
genuinely interested to know[/QUOTE]
As am I
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49419242]what's the point of that sequence
genuinely interested to know[/QUOTE]
As I see it (your mileage may wary), the final battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin is the ultimate showdown between Master and Apprentice, where equal combat capabilities persist and any mistake can be fatal (see: I have the higher ground!).
In that particular sequence they are both trying to utilize the Kendo-style "Parry-chop-hit" (as supported by the video in OP) at the same time, and since Obi-Wan trained Anakin, they both do similar motions which are pretty much mirrored, hence they don't hit for a while. Right after that, they both try to Force Push eachother, but they clash with equal strength and cannot overpower eachother, in the end overpowering themselves.
I mean, there may as well absolutely no [b]point[/b] in that sequence, but I guess that was the [i][b]idea[/b][/i] of it.
I also prefer the prequel saber duels, as they were more dynamic. In the original trilogy, it just looks like bored people trying to fence while not knowing how to fence properly.
But that's just me
[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;49419441]I also prefer the prequel saber duels, as they were more dynamic. In the original trilogy, it just looks like bored people trying to fence while not knowing how to fence properly.
But that's just me[/QUOTE]
"Dynamic"? Well then good job, George Lucas has successfully tricked you into thinking they're good. "Dynamic" doesn't mean just pointlessly jumping in the air and waving the saber around for no reason other than just to be super flashy. You fell for Lucas' tricks.
True masters of an art know how to utilize it in the simplest most energy efficient ways. Master Kendo practitioners aren't spinning around doing crazy stuff, they are relaxed and can often look "bored," giving the illusion of simplicity and ease despite being the complete opposite. The prequel fights would have made a little more sense if Anakin/young Obi were the ones jumping around spinning their sabers and shit while Qui-gon/old Obi/Maul stayed grounded with concise movements and strikes. The OT kind of showed that dynamic in the way Vader seemed like he barely moved at all when fighting yet oddly winning confrontations. He no longer needed to swing that shit all over the goddamn place, he knew how to win using little energy because he was a true master of the art.
It's kind of like watching BJJ. Untrained individuals will squirm and move all over the place, desperately trying to change position or pull off submissions. Experts will sit there and seemingly not move at all, but the trained eye can catch them ever so slightly hooking a heel, setting up a pass, calmly controlling the fight.
You make fun of the prequel duels but let's not forget that Vader just simply took a damn seat at the end which is why Luke won. That fight didn't have a convincing moment of momentum in it. It looked just as staged as the prequel fights
The Return of the Jedi fight was my favorite, was a little faster while still carrying the emotions of Luke and Vader. The way he just wails on him until hacking his hand off on the railing is one of my favorite moments in a movie fight ever.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49419390]As I see it (your mileage may wary), the final battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin is the ultimate showdown between Master and Apprentice, where equal combat capabilities persist and any mistake can be fatal (see: I have the higher ground!).
In that particular sequence they are both trying to utilize the Kendo-style "Parry-chop-hit" (as supported by the video in OP) at the same time, and since Obi-Wan trained Anakin, they both do similar motions which are pretty much mirrored, hence they don't hit for a while. Right after that, they both try to Force Push eachother, but they clash with equal strength and cannot overpower eachother, in the end overpowering themselves.
I mean, there may as well absolutely no [b]point[/b] in that sequence, but I guess that was the [i][b]idea[/b][/i] of it.[/QUOTE]
that's actually a quite cool interpretation of it
it's a shame that the master-apprentice relationship doesn't really stand out in the films, so it's hard to see elements like that
I thought the duels in the originals were very good, as they were more about Luke learning to become a Jedi, while the prequels showed the Jedi at their apex.
The prequels show the jedi in their prime.
In the original trilogy there are not many jedi left. Ben Kenobi being one of the last jedi left and him hiding made him rusty.
Also Vader is a half man half cyborg beast so him being slow and not jumpy also made sense.
I just think that they are both good because they fit to their timelines.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49419390]As I see it (your mileage may wary), the final battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin is the ultimate showdown between Master and Apprentice, where equal combat capabilities persist and any mistake can be fatal (see: I have the higher ground!).
In that particular sequence they are both trying to utilize the Kendo-style "Parry-chop-hit" (as supported by the video in OP) at the same time, and since Obi-Wan trained Anakin, they both do similar motions which are pretty much mirrored, hence they don't hit for a while. Right after that, they both try to Force Push eachother, but they clash with equal strength and cannot overpower eachother, in the end overpowering themselves.
I mean, there may as well absolutely no [b]point[/b] in that sequence, but I guess that was the [i][b]idea[/b][/i] of it.[/QUOTE]
yeah but you have to admit there would have been better ways to make that impactful, than crazy over the top set pieces, acrobatics that didn't really make sense in the context. I enjoyed much of that fight but I always think, for it to be such an emotional moment, it needs to actually represent that through the actors doing more than twirly dancy fencing.
[QUOTE=Redscream;49420166]The prequels show the jedi in their prime.
In the original trilogy there are not many jedi left. Ben Kenobi being one of the last jedi left and him hiding made him rusty.
Also Vader is a half man half cyborg beast so him being slow and not jumpy also made sense.
I just think that they are both good because they fit to their timelines.[/QUOTE]
In the OT, the duel are fought much more like knights, cause you know, jedi KNIGHTS.
Then the PT came and threw everything out the window.
[QUOTE=Redscream;49420166]The prequels show the jedi in their prime.
In the original trilogy there are not many jedi left. Ben Kenobi being one of the last jedi left and him hiding made him rusty.
Also Vader is a half man half cyborg beast so him being slow and not jumpy also made sense.
I just think that they are both good because they fit to their timelines.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about the "in their prime" thing, in the original trilogy, jedi were almost like some kind of spiritual sorcerers or whatever, so it made sense that they fought the way they did. In the prequels they turned the jedi into some kind of magical karate ninjas.
To me, I'd say the prequel lightsaber duels were jedi in their prime and the knowledge of the way they fought was lost and turned into a more "medieval" way of hacking and slashing like in the OT & Force awakens.
I've got to watch it again to say for sure, but the TFA duel is maybe my favorite. It combined my favorite aspects of each trilogy, while still remaining it's own. Loved it.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49419039]Say whatever you want guys, but I love the Prequels for their Lightsaber duels. They are just so satisfying to watch.[/QUOTE]
it does'nt matter how great the fighting style is if there is no passion look at Return of the Jedi [Sp]When Luke was Walling on Vader [/Sp] that amount of passion you get of [sP]Luke[/sP] was much more epic you can get out some of the duels you got from the prequels
I found the prequels duels floaty and routine like. The originals duels were paced differently but I was also disappointed by those as well, not very dynamic.
Jesus, I know the prequels were bad, but you guys just seem to hate everything
so in other words you fine Star Wars Boring L?
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[QUOTE=Ignhelper;49421282]Jesus, I know the prequels were bad, but you guys just seem to hate everything[/QUOTE]
I enjoyed tham just not nearly as musch as the OT
If that was directed at me, no, I like star wars. I just find the saber fights lacking. TFA was a decent shift imo as everything felt a bit more determined.
The problem with the flashy choreography in the prequels is that it's nothing but that. It looks impressive but it lacks any tension and ironically ends up as a repetitive snorefest. TFA reaches a good middle-ground [sp]where the battles are more flashy, but there's still a good deal of tension and characterisation going on.[/sp]
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