German Cities Refugee Crime investigation unit releases hard numbers and facts

[Killuah]

[url]http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Polizei-liefert-Zahlen-gegen-Vorurteile-article16865556.html[/url]

[quote]Among the 40,000 people who 2015 Landesaufnahmestelle went through, were about 150 criminals, show his numbers. Not even 0.4 percent. The percentage is not higher than the among Germans.[/quote]

[quote]In his book "Soko asylum", which he wrote about the Braunschweiger experience Küch reported brawls, burglaries, shoplifting in high value items, drugs and sexual offenses. "Ordinary crime halt," he says in an interview with n-tv.de. "No homicides and no children there were killed, that's a rumor." And there have been many, to the Soko presented the first figures.[/quote]

[quote]He can prove his assessment: Among the refugees is a "small block of people who have come mainly or solely with the aim to Germany, here to commit crimes." The problem was not Kurdish, Syrian or Iraqi families. but particularly often originate suspects from Kosovo and the Caucasus, there are also many Georgians for years cause problems to the police. In addition, there is a larger group North and Central Africans among the intensive offenders.[/quote]

[quote]These groups, which he already assigns organized crime partly Küch will speak openly. [/quote]

So basically this dude created an investigation unit from the very beginning and got a lot of shit flung at him for it.
Now he releases the numbers and it turns out that 0.4% of them are, by investigation, Criminals. No murders registered.
and that most of it is due to
These are not alleged crimes, these are the numbers of people who are convivted under law.

Of course the usual people with lewd animall kiddie avatars will argue that the police is somehow actively not reporting crimes by refugees but for that the book he wrote also says that the overall crime rate did not increase significantly. Crime rate includes crimes reported but not investigated.
like when I reported my 2 stolen bikes last year :(

Furthermore the articles states that it's often impossible to return people to their home countries(hi Sweden) because the countries themselves are often not taking them back.

Conclusion of the article is that we shouldn't make the same mistakes as in the 90s.

[highlight](User was banned for this post ("trolling" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[Elspin]

[QUOTE=Killuah;49625778][b]Of course the usual people with lewd animall kiddie avatars will argue that the police is somehow actively not reporting crimes by refugees[/b] but for that the book he wrote also says that the overall crime rate did not increase significantly. Crime rate includes crimes reported but not investigated.[/QUOTE]

What kind of shit pre-schooler argument is that? Even if it's true with that kind of historic shitposting in the OP it'll be hard to have a reasonable discussion. Pretty sure both the chief of the German police union who has said that crimes in asylum centres are being swept under the rug (and I suppose, me) are not on that list.

[QUOTE]Furthermore the articles states that it's often impossible to return people to their home countries(hi Sweden) because the countries themselves are often not taking them back.[/QUOTE]

Is this legal? I mean I mean if someone from x country enters y country and y country does not accept them into their country, pretty sure x country is required to accept them back regardless of whether they want them

[Da Space Core]

[QUOTE=Killuah;49625778]
Of course the usual people with lewd animall kiddie avatars will argue that the police is somehow actively not reporting crimes by refugees...[/QUOTE]

As someone who generally supports refugees, I can already tell this thread is going to be a giant mess. Please don't make it worse that it already will be.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49625778]
Furthermore the articles states that it's often impossible to return people to their home countries(hi Sweden) because the countries themselves are often not taking them back.[/QUOTE]

Before someone brings this up, let me say that deporting refugees right now back to active battle zones is a bad idea. no one said all refugees must stay in europe, but this has to be dealt with wisely

[Loli Lover]

[QUOTE=Killuah;49625778][B]usual people with lewd animall kiddie avatars[/B][/QUOTE]
Way to make sure the thread turns into shitposting from the beginning

[Elspin]

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49626252]You cant force any country to accept anyone. Would you declare a war to make countries accept back refugees?[/QUOTE]

Yeah but what do you even do in that case? I've never heard of a country refusing to accept a deportation, what even happens? Are they just jailed?

[QUOTE]the article instead, it makes a valid statistical point about crimes' existence whereas your argument is a hearsay of one person, about crimes' impact in the press.[/QUOTE]

I'm attempting to make sense of it but I have no ability to read German and the translated article looks like this:

[QUOTE]Meanwhile, more offenders are convicted, Braunschweig crime rate has increased not significant.[/QUOTE]

however I think it would be ridiculous to dismiss the words of the chief of the German police union as "hearsay" when the situation he's talking about drastically reduces the credibility of the study in question. Can a German FPer (you, perhaps) pick out how they determined precisely who was causing situations and whether they only included people who had been fully convicted? OP seems to imply only convicted but it honestly looks like they wrote the OP while frothing at the mouth...

[Rangergxi]

[QUOTE=Elspin;49626121]pretty sure both the chief of the German police union who has said that crimes in asylum centres are being swept under the rug (and I suppose, me) are not on that list.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, dunno how its hard to understand that its pretty hard to keep statistics when things are kept swept under the rug.

[Da Space Core]

so, moving along from the blurb in the OP, here is what I got from a google translated version of the article (german speakers please correct me if im mistaken)
-refugees were identified by their address, if they lived in an asylum
-more offenders were evicted, but overall crime rate did not increase
-"alleged perpetrators remain up to seven days in custody before hearing"
- from 40,000 refugees, there were ~150 convicted criminals, less than .4 percent, which is not higher than germans
-the crimes committed were brawls, burglaries, "shoplifting of high value items", drugs, and sexual offenses
-no homicides or children were killed by refugees in this study
-a large group of convicts were actually africans (someone double check this, it didnt translate well)

and now onto deportations
-with the argument of shipping back criminals, some countries will not accept people back, which complicates things
-sometimes they dont know where to send criminals at all

[Rangergxi]

[QUOTE=da space core;49626346]so, moving along from the blurb in the OP, here is what I got from [/QUOTE]

The OP emphasizes that most of the crime isn't people from Iraq and Syria but people from North Africa, the Caucasus and sub-saharan Africa.

If thats the case mass immigration should still be stopped since these people are coming in with the refugees, to the point where most of them are economic migrants (even if you don't any of the Syrians economic migrants).

[Shovel Mech]

I want to emphasize that Killuah posted this and is clearly trolling. Take it with a few mines full of salt.

[hexpunK]

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49626498]I want to emphasize that Killuah posted this and is clearly trolling. Take it with a few mines full of salt.[/QUOTE]

The actual content seems perfectly solid. Killuah got got for the "lewd animall kiddie avatar" thing (despite being strangely correct in that observation, most of our righter-wing reactionary posters have lewd animu babe avatars for some reason).

By this logic anyone posting an article about refugees increasing crime rates is "trolling" too.

[Da Space Core]

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49626585]
Economic immigrants arent the new nazis or anything. Economy is a perfectly valid reason of immigration.[/QUOTE]

Economy is a perfectly viable reason to immigrate, I wont argue with that. The only problem is if it happens in such extreme amounts that the receiving country can literally not sustain it, which was the case for some of the very small countries or small towns themselves that refugees were sent to.

[Antlerp]

Interesting data.

Also an amusing observation Killuah. Very funny that.

[KILLTHIS]

[QUOTE=da space core;49626346]so, moving along from the blurb in the OP, here is what I got from a google translated version of the article (german speakers please correct me if im mistaken)
-refugees were identified by their address, if they lived in an asylum
-more offenders were evicted, but overall crime rate did not increase
-"alleged perpetrators remain up to seven days in custody before hearing"
- from 40,000 refugees, there were ~150 convicted criminals, less than .4 percent, which is not higher than germans
-the crimes committed were brawls, burglaries, "shoplifting of high value items", drugs, and sexual offenses
-no homicides or children were killed by refugees in this study
-a large group of convicts were actually africans (someone double check this, it didnt translate well)

and now onto deportations
-with the argument of shipping back criminals, some countries will not accept people back, which complicates things
-sometimes they dont know where to send criminals at all[/QUOTE]

It basically says that a bigger Group of Africans repeatedly commit crimes.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Killuah;49625778]Of course the usual people with lewd animall kiddie avatars[/QUOTE]If you're talking about me, my avatar is a hermaphrodite unicorn shitting itself while getting fucked (anal sex I presume) by yet another hermaphrodite unicorn. I was hoping for somebody to ask me what it was from but, alas, I lost the original picture to show them and haven't felt the need to change my avatar. If it's that big of a deal though, I think I'll keep using it.

I'd also like to point out,[QUOTE=Killuah;49625778]Crime rate includes crimes reported but not investigated.
like when I reported my 2 stolen bikes last year :([/QUOTE]
implies that crimes are being reported, which given the nature of some of the alleged crimes (rape, sexual assault, etc) they have abysmal report rates to begin with.

Also without a direct translation of the book I can't exactly argue against what he's saying, but it goes against conventional wisdom considering that Germany has been already accused of not only fudging the numbers but also covering up the truth as well. Of course [I]proving[/I] these allegations are hard, but it does cast some doubt on what this guy's saying especially when the media's easily saturated with stories of young migrant men who shouldn't even be in Germany to begin with doing bad things.

[Xmeagol]

killuah i hope you get raped by a sand nigger

[highlight](User was banned for this post ("What a great post" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[Wizards Court]

[QUOTE=Xmeagol;49626952]killuah i hope you get raped by a sand nigger[/QUOTE]

we /pol/ now apparently.

[Da Space Core]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49626869]If you're talking about me, my avatar is a hermaphrodite unicorn shitting itself while getting fucked (anal sex I presume) by yet another hermaphrodite unicorn. I was hoping for somebody to ask me what it was from but, alas, I lost the original picture to show them and haven't felt the need to change my avatar. If it's that big of a deal though, I think I'll keep using it.

I'd also like to point out,
implies that crimes are being reported, which given the nature of some of the alleged crimes (rape, sexual assault, etc) they have abysmal report rates to begin with.

Also without a direct translation of the book I can't exactly argue against what he's saying, but it goes against conventional wisdom considering that Germany has been already accused of not only fudging the numbers but also covering up the truth as well. Of course [I]proving[/I] these allegations are hard, but it does cast some doubt on what this guy's saying especially when the media's easily saturated with stories of young migrant men who shouldn't even be in Germany to begin with doing bad things.[/QUOTE]

its amusing watching some people claim that the burden of evidence falls on the accuser when it comes to "sjws" making ridiculous rape claims or the such, but then do a complete 180 when it comes to refugees, that accusations are enough to cause "suspicion" or "doubt"

Bring in some actual hard evidence, then we can have a proper argument

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=da space core;49626990]its amusing watching some people claim that the burden of evidence falls on the accuser[/QUOTE][QUOTE=da space core;49626990]Bring in some actual hard evidence, then we can have a proper argument[/QUOTE]What fucking evidence was presented exactly? An article about a book I can't read and I said as much?[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49626869]Also without a direct translation of the book I can't exactly argue against what he's saying,[/QUOTE]

[editline]oh we're not done with dissecting this shitpost[/editline]

[QUOTE=da space core;49626990]"sjws" making ridiculous rape claims[/QUOTE]Fucking amazing post.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49627297]Uhmmm people explained the article above. [/QUOTE]The article is about a [B]book[/B] and if I'm going to argue against something I'm going to have to see the argument for myself. Otherwise I can't actually make an argument now, can I? (plus I don't trust google translate to even go over the article, I have no option at all for the guy's actual book) That's why I chose that portion of my original post to quote, because I clearly stated in no uncertain terms that I can't refute anything. Furthermore the idea that I'm somehow reversing myself on being firm on the burden of proof being on the accuser by saying "well I can't argue against it..." is fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49627297]Also that third quote of yours is textbook taking out of context.[/QUOTE]No, nothing was taken out of context. That was da space core shitposting and I said sarcastically, "fucking amazing post," in response to that. Furthermore I believe I said in the Stoya thread that "ehh, I'm not sure I believe her but hey, if she can prove it cool" which is consistent with my thoughts here.

[Da Space Core]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49627268]What fucking evidence was presented exactly? An article about a book I can't read and I said as much?

[editline]oh we're not done with dissecting this shitpost[/editline]

Fucking amazing post.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure if you are deliberately misunderstanding me.

on threads where someone is accused of some crime despite a lack of evidence (that whole Columbia university mattress girl comes to mind), most people from FP held the notion that the accuser should be the one with burden of evidence, not the one being accused (a policy I myself believe). You know, "Innocent until proven guilty". I used the term "sjw" as reference to a small ultra-left group who have been known for pushing cases despite a complete lack of evidence, typically for "harassment". I am certain that you too were one of those people (on fp against sjws, not an sjw yourself)

Lets look at your post

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49626869]Also without a direct translation of the book I can't exactly argue against what he's saying, but it goes against conventional wisdom considering that Germany has been already [B]accused[/B] of not only fudging the numbers but also covering up the truth as well. Of course [B][I]proving[/I] these allegations are hard, but it does cast some doubt on what this guy's saying[/B] especially when the media's easily saturated with stories of young migrant men who shouldn't even be in Germany to begin with doing bad things.[/QUOTE]

Despite having nothing more than accusations, you still believe it is enough to "cast doubt"

so, as I previously stated
[QUOTE]Bring in some actual hard evidence, then we can have a proper argument[/QUOTE]

By the way, nice edit line. really shows your maturity

[Shovel Mech]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49626564]The actual content seems perfectly solid. Killuah got got for the "lewd animall kiddie avatar" thing (despite being strangely correct in that observation, most of our righter-wing reactionary posters have lewd animu babe avatars for some reason).

By this logic anyone posting an article about refugees increasing crime rates is "trolling" too.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure he posted this article so he could say "hey jumpinjack you just got [U]OWNED[/U] by [B]ME[/B], [I]master debater[/I]" not because he wanted a legitimate debate. Hence
[QUOTE]Of course the usual people with lewd animall kiddie avatars
[/QUOTE]

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=da space core;49627389]on threads where someone is accused of some crime despite a lack of evidence (that whole Columbia university mattress girl comes to mind), most people from FP held the notion[/QUOTE]Yeah, fucking full stop right there. I'm just going to kick your entire argument's feet out from under it and say: [B]I am not most people from FP.[/B]

[QUOTE=da space core;49627389]Despite having nothing more than accusations, you still believe it is enough to "cast doubt"[/QUOTE]Yeah, because at this point the contrary "evidence" is basically fucking hearsay anyway. That's what you're not understanding here, [I]there is no evidence[/I] because I A: can't read German and B: don't have the book, unless you want me to take the second-hand opinion of some article. At this point it is literally a "well my dad who works for Nintendo" statement and frankly, I'm not at all easily convinced by such fantastical bullshit.[QUOTE=da space core;49627389]I used the term "sjw" as reference to a small ultra-left group who have been known for pushing cases despite a complete lack of evidence, typically for "harassment". I am certain that you too were one of those people (on fp against sjws, not an sjw yourself)[/QUOTE]
You brought up the rape threads so really what you're trying to do is get me to believe some chick's claims about how she was raped this one time and criticizing me for having my doubts. Of course in this analogy the "chick" is this guy and his book is the original allegation, and now we have an article by "n-tv.de" that might as well be Kotaku for all I fucking know.

So again,[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49626869]without a direct translation of the book I can't exactly argue against what he's saying, but it goes against conventional wisdom considering that Germany has been already accused of not only fudging the numbers but also covering up the truth as well.[/QUOTE]
Nothing has changed. Oh and as a bonus here's me saying the evidence contrary to what he's saying is shaky at best:
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49626869]Of course [I]proving[/I] these allegations are hard, but it does cast some doubt on what this guy's saying especially when the media's easily saturated with stories of young migrant men who shouldn't even be in Germany to begin with doing bad things.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=da space core;49627389]By the way, nice edit line. really shows your maturity[/QUOTE]What, calling a shitpost for what it is? You're the one who tried to weasel in some stupid bullshit about sexism, not me, and I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to spin it to look like I'm racist too. Why don't you go for the whole trifecta and accuse me of being homophobic too?

Fucking please, you're a better poster than this.

[Da Space Core]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49627494]What, calling a shitpost for what it is? You're the one who tried to weasel in some stupid bullshit about sexism, not me, and I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to spin it to look like I'm racist too. Why don't you go for the whole trifecta and accuse me of being homophobic too?.[/QUOTE]

I never tried weaseling sexism into it, I just chose an example that I think everyone would recall. I think we can all agree that we shouldn't open the "sexism" can of worms in this mess of a thread as well.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49627494]Yeah, fucking full stop right there. I'm just going to kick your entire argument's feet out from under it and say: [B]I am not most people from FP.[/B][/QUOTE]

Alright, you got me there

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49627494]
Yeah, because at this point the contrary "evidence" is basically fucking hearsay anyway. That's what you're not understanding here, [I]there is no evidence[/I] because I A: can't read German and B: don't have the book, unless you want me to take the second-hand opinion of some article. At this point it is literally a "well my dad who works for Nintendo" statement and frankly, I'm not at all easily convinced by such fantastical bullshit.
[/QUOTE]

What I personally did was translate the article via google translate so I can put together the gist of the article, as you can see in my above post. I knew it wasn't perfect, so I asked any german speakers for help. I am also aware that there are multiple german speakers so that if one fabricates information, someone else will call them out for it.

but anyways, I think we got our points across. If you want to keep arguing with me, feel free to take it to the PM, because I dont want to end up polluting this whole mess of a thread even more.

[QUOTE]Of course the usual people with lewd animall kiddie avatars[/QUOTE]

let this be a lesson that insulting people like this provides an excuse for folks to completely ignore an otherwise good argument.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=da space core;49627590]I think we can all agree that we shouldn't open the "sexism" can of worms in this mess of a thread as well.[/QUOTE]Fair enough and I agree.

[QUOTE=da space core;49627590]but anyways, I think we got our points across. If you want to keep arguing with me, feel free to take it to the PM, because I dont want to end up polluting this whole mess of a thread even more.[/QUOTE]We did and I really don't want to keep arguing. Also I do want to thank you for putting in the effort to break it down using google translate, you didn't have to do that.

[QUOTE=da space core;49627590]let this be a lesson that insulting people like this provides an excuse for folks to completely ignore an otherwise good argument.[/QUOTE]I really don't think he should have been banned for it, even if that was pretty much leveled flatly at me.

[Rangergxi]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49626869]
implies that crimes are being reported, which given the nature of some of the alleged crimes (rape, sexual assault, etc) they have abysmal report rates to begin with.[/QUOTE]

People were extremely hostile towards the Cologne assault/rape victims. These people weren't the traditional religious right that usually does this either.

I can easily see how a low report rate would be the case.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49627635]
I really don't think he should have been banned for it, even if that was pretty much leveled flatly at me.[/QUOTE]

Should consider the history.

[Jordax]

[QUOTE=Killuah;49625778][url]http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Polizei-liefert-Zahlen-gegen-Vorurteile-article16865556.html[/url]

So basically this dude created an investigation unit from the very beginning and got a lot of shit flung at him for it.
Now he releases the numbers and it turns out that 0.4% of them are, by investigation, Criminals. No murders registered.
and that most of it is due to
These are not alleged crimes, these are the numbers of people who are convivted under law.

Of course the usual people with lewd animall kiddie avatars will argue that the police is somehow actively not reporting crimes by refugees but for that the book he wrote also says that the overall crime rate did not increase significantly. Crime rate includes crimes reported but not investigated.
like when I reported my 2 stolen bikes last year :(

Furthermore the articles states that it's often impossible to return people to their home countries(hi Sweden) because the countries themselves are often not taking them back.

Conclusion of the article is that we shouldn't make the same mistakes as in the 90s.

[/QUOTE]

The problem is, that there are also reports going on of the German authorities actively covering up crimes committed by ''refugees'' in the last year, such as in the city of Kiel. [URL="http://www.kn-online.de/News/Aktuelle-Nachrichten-Kiel/Nachrichten-aus-Kiel/Fluechtlingserlass-Kiel-Ladendiebstahl-ohne-Strafe"](KN Online News, German Source)[/URL]

Even when the perpetrators got arrested for it, the police weren't allowed to actually lay criminal charges for their offences.

[QUOTE]Die Führung der Polizeidirektion Kiel und hochrangige Vertreter der Staatsanwaltschaft haben sich Anfang Oktober 2015 darauf verständigt, Flüchtlinge ohne Ausweispapiere oder behördliche Registrierung bei „einfachen/niedrigschwelligen Delikten“ wie Ladendiebstahl und Sachbeschädigung regelmäßig nicht strafrechtlich zu verfolgen.
Bei „höherwertigen Straftaten (Faustregel: ab Körperverletzung und besonders schwerer Fall des Diebstahls)“ sei Rücksprache mit der Staatsanwaltschaft zu halten. [/QUOTE]

While this mainly concerned petty crime, this included property damage and shoplifting. The only way they could actually lay charges on ''refugees'' , was if both the financial damage to the victims were high enough, or if the victim was psychically assaulted by the perpetrator.

In short, Killuah, the research provided in your article is inconclusive as long there is crime by the ''refugees'' covered up by your own authorities.
There is evidence that proves that the crime stats in Germany, as long as it concerns ''refugees'', is being tampered with to prevent outrage.
I'd be more outraged that they are trying to hide the truth from their own population.
And that isn't even considering some other articles, wherein it is claimed that the police in Berlin tried to cover up the rape of a 13-year old girl by ''refugees''.

And given that there are only going to be 13 suspects to be put before court over the Cologne Mass Assaults while there were 945 criminal reports delivered by 559 different people, mostly women, [URL="http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/4204863/eerste-verdachten-aanrandingen-keulen-rechter.html"](Source: nu.nl, Dutch Source)[/URL] don't you think either that the German authorities are coming up short in these sort of cases?

[pkhzor]

I have a feeling the Killuah is a muslim who has a lot of 'refugee' relatives and that's why he feels such an urge to fog up the truth about the crime statistics. Can't say anything bad about my people or else. It's been pointed out multiple times that the statistics are skewed to avoid public backlash against the refugees.

[Shovel Mech]

[QUOTE=pkhzor;49629593]I have a feeling the Killuah is a muslim who has a lot of 'refugee' relatives and that's why he feels such an urge to fog up the truth about the crime statistics. Can't say anything bad about my people or else. It's been pointed out multiple times that the statistics are skewed to avoid public backlash against the refugees.[/QUOTE]
My money's on agnostic, white and self-loathing.

[Swilly]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49626564]The actual content seems perfectly solid. Killuah got got for the "lewd animall kiddie avatar" thing (despite being strangely correct in that observation, most of our righter-wing reactionary posters have lewd animu babe avatars for some reason).

By this logic anyone posting an article about refugees increasing crime rates is "trolling" too.[/QUOTE]

One could easily turn that around and the left leaning shitposters from before had women in music videos.

[Cloak_Raider]

[QUOTE=pkhzor;49629593]I have a feeling the Killuah is a muslim who has a lot of 'refugee' relatives and that's why he feels such an urge to fog up the truth about the crime statistics. Can't say anything bad about my people or else. It's been pointed out multiple times that the statistics are skewed to avoid public backlash against the refugees.[/QUOTE]

"fog up the truth"
"his article doesn't agree with my narrative"

[editline]29th January 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Jordax;49627762]The problem is, that there are also reports going on of the German authorities actively covering up crimes committed by ''refugees'' in the last year, such as in the city of Kiel. [URL="http://www.kn-online.de/News/Aktuelle-Nachrichten-Kiel/Nachrichten-aus-Kiel/Fluechtlingserlass-Kiel-Ladendiebstahl-ohne-Strafe"](KN Online News, German Source)[/URL]

Even when the perpetrators got arrested for it, the police weren't allowed to actually lay criminal charges for their offences.

While this mainly concerned petty crime, this included property damage and shoplifting. The only way they could actually lay charges on ''refugees'' , was if both the financial damage to the victims were high enough, or if the victim was psychically assaulted by the perpetrator.

In short, Killuah, the research provided in your article is inconclusive as long there is crime by the ''refugees'' covered up by your own authorities.
There is evidence that proves that the crime stats in Germany, as long as it concerns ''refugees'', is being tampered with to prevent outrage.
I'd be more outraged that they are trying to hide the truth from their own population.
And that isn't even considering some other articles, wherein it is claimed that the police in Berlin tried to cover up the rape of a 13-year old girl by ''refugees''.

And given that there are only going to be 13 suspects to be put before court over the Cologne Mass Assaults while there were 945 criminal reports delivered by 559 different people, mostly women, [URL="http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/4204863/eerste-verdachten-aanrandingen-keulen-rechter.html"](Source: nu.nl, Dutch Source)[/URL] don't you think either that the German authorities are coming up short in these sort of cases?[/QUOTE]

the article you posted, as you admitted yourself, is about shoplifting and petty crimes

pretty far from the murdering, raping horde you believe the german police are covering up for isn't it?

it's not unusual for people in britain to not be criminally charged for shoplifting you realise - petty crimes are not always given a criminal charge

[editline]29th January 2016[/editline]

i mean, the fact that you're putting refugees in scare quotes says basically everything for me