Facebook privacy is a hotly debated topic, so I thought I'd bring it to Facepunch for a slugging.
It recently came to light that Facebook tracking cookies are loaded onto your computer when you visit it, that do not disappear when the session or 'logged in' state ends. It also came to light that any website that integrates any aspect of Facebook onto their website (from a 'Like' button to a social interaction feature or full blown application) communicates with these cookies and stores information.
What all of this basically means, is that Facebook tracks almost every single action you make online, whether you're logged into Facebook at the time or not, including the date of visit, the website address and the content viewed.
It even says they can do this in their privacy policy:-
[quote]We receive data whenever you visit a game, application, or website that uses Facebook Platform or visit a site with a Facebook feature (such as a social plugin). This may include the date and time you visit the site; the web address, or URL, you're on; technical information about the IP address, browser and the operating system you use; and, if you are logged in to Facebook, your User ID.[/quote]
The revelation is that the last part is total bollocks, they still know who you are regardless of if you're logged in or not.
In my opinion:-
I sure as hell don't want some of the stuff I view online to be publicized, and Facebook have previously been under scrutiny for making 'private' information fully public, often without the user being aware of it. An example would be when they logged, and made everyone's phone number public, if you'd logged into facebook through an iPhone app for example. Whether they intended to or not, that was a pretty dick move.
If they pulled a stunt like whipping out 'most viewed websites' or something, that would be pretty devastating. Me being in the '20 year old single guy' category would easily get away with the whole 'porn erryday' attitude by not giving a fuck, but if some married parent or kid were to log in one day to find the whole of their husband/partner/parents recently viewed porn available, that could have the potential to destroy something good unnecessarily.
Alternatively the same view could be applied to religiousness, if some kid with madly religious parents went and visited a porn site, Facebook made that information available to his parents, that could have the potential to seriously fuck things up for him.
Your views, Facepunch?
Not just facebook!
[quote]
Google’s economic strategy is to gather data about users that utilize different Google applications in different everyday situations. The more everyday situations can be supported by Google applications, the more time users will spend online with Google, so that more user data will be available to Google, which allows the company to better analyze usage and consumer behaviour. As a result, more and more precise user data and aggregated data can be sold to advertising clients that provide the users with personalized advertising that targets them in all of these everyday situations with information about potential consumption choices. The introduction of ever more applications does primarily serve economic ends that are realized by large-scale user surveillance. As more and more people access the Internet from their mobile phones, the number of times and the time spans users are online as well as the number of access points and situations in which users are online increase. Therefore supplying applications that are attractive for users in all of these circumstances (such as waiting for the bus or the underground, travelling on the train or the airplane, going to a restaurant, concert, or movie, visiting friends, attending a business meeting, etc), promises that users spend more time online with applications supplied by specific companies such as Google, which allows these companies to present more advertisements that are more individually targeted to users, which in turn promises more profit for the companies. We can therefore say that there is a strong economic incentive for Google’s and other companies’ introduction of new Internet- and mobile Internet-applications. Google Buzz is part of Google’s empire of economic surveillance. [/quote]
I think its crap, I've been contemplating deleting my Facebook account, but I actually use it for work quite a bit. that's the thing I really don't want this sort of thing public unless I make it public. it should be my choice, not anyone else's; no matter how many lines of terms they hide from you.
Google is different, they use your data anonymously.
They just have a unquenchable thirst for information.
I think having your data tied to your name, photos and address draws a line.
Surveys to science this thread up.
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36759995/FP/Advantages%20Disadvantages%20Web2.0.JPG[/img]
There's a difference between private information and private information.
Names and things they can get away with, but publishing (like you say) recently viewed websites would end in lots of lawsuits. And I don't think any company would want to take that risk.
[QUOTE=fenwick;32518813]Google is different, they use your data anonymously.
They just have a unquenchable thirst for information.[/QUOTE]
Well, you're identified by your IP address, or if you have a google account, by that.
You mean an unquenchable thirst to mass-advertise?
[editline]28th September 2011[/editline]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew[/media]
[img]http://images.smh.com.au/2010/05/14/1450513/zuckerberg420-420x0.jpg[/img]
Is that a real Zuckerberg quote?
I don't think so...
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;32521537]Is that a real Zuckerberg quote?[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is.
[editline]29th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=proch;32521846]I don't think so...[/QUOTE]
Why is that?
I'll look for a source of him confirming it.
[editline]29th September 2011[/editline]
[url]http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks[/url]
[quote]now confirmed by Zuckerberg himself in Jose Antonio Vargas's New Yorker piece. Zuckerberg now tells Vargas, "I think I've grown and learned a lot" since those instant messages.[/quote]
learned not to call the people who give you all their information and pay for your life of luxury dumb fucks? wow you've grown so much!
[QUOTE=Contag;32522347]learned not to call the people who give you all their information and pay for your life of luxury dumb fucks? wow you've grown so much![/QUOTE]
He doesn't live a life of luxury really.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;32528486]He doesn't live a life of luxury really.[/QUOTE]
Uh... how not?
I wasn't concerned about the privacy issues on Facebook until my private chat history began to inform what ads I'd see on the site. A friend and I would be discussing music in chat and then advertisements for new albums of the bands we discussed would appear. My friend was discussing places she intends to go in Europe and she received ads about youth hostels in Italy and France. If nothing else, that crosses the line of understandable invasion of privacy.
[QUOTE=Contag;32531898]Uh... how not?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://calcuttatube.com/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-founder-likes-worn-jeans-cheap-t-shirts-lives-rented-house/121347/[/url]
[editline]28th September 2011[/editline]
He's quite a frugal guy for a billionaire.
Your information will be logged no matter where you go.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;32533335][url]http://calcuttatube.com/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-founder-likes-worn-jeans-cheap-t-shirts-lives-rented-house/121347/[/url]
[editline]28th September 2011[/editline]
He's quite a frugal guy for a billionaire.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/zuckerberg-buys-a-7-million-home-near-facebooks-new-campus-2011-5[/url]
If you don't want to share your information, why bother using a social network?
[QUOTE=Mr. Epicness;32549388]If you don't want to share your information, why bother using a social network?[/QUOTE]
We want to CHOOSE what information is shared. that's the issue.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32532789]I wasn't concerned about the privacy issues on Facebook until my private chat history began to inform what ads I'd see on the site. A friend and I would be discussing music in chat and then advertisements for new albums of the bands we discussed would appear. My friend was discussing places she intends to go in Europe and she received ads about youth hostels in Italy and France. If nothing else, that crosses the line of understandable invasion of privacy.[/QUOTE]
I think that's a terrible idea on Facebook's part, but it makes me wonder what actually happens on the site that makes that work.
If it simply recognizes a word, then causes a certain ad to appear entirely within the site's code without your information going to anyone else's servers, that wouldn't bother me so much.
Google does very much the same thing in regards to targeting their ads.
inb4 zuckerberg logs on to garry's fp account and shuts it down for having "face" in the name
[QUOTE=rundevil;32549475]We want to CHOOSE what information is shared. that's the issue.[/QUOTE]
You don't get it, that will always be the case. Social Networking sites pay for hosting, pay employees, etc with ad revenue; So when you 'Like' something on FB they give you ads based on your interests. Social Networking sites aren't charity's they want money. Like Mr.Epic said, have that big a problem with it? Don't use it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Epicness;32549388]If you don't want to share your information, why bother using a social network?[/QUOTE]
I go on facebook to see what people are up to, which is why I keep as much information off facebook as I can.
You put your private shit publicly on facebook, then there allowed to do whatever they want with it.
I kind of think monitoring private conversations is a little excessive, but if they're really that private, why are you using facebook for it?
[QUOTE=Mr. Epicness;32549388]If you don't want to share your information, why bother using a social network?[/QUOTE]
It's not much of a choice anymore, Facebook is so prolific that you face being ostracized and put at a disadvantage for not using it.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;32584096]It's not much of a choice anymore, Facebook is so prolific that you face being ostracized and put at a disadvantage for not using it.[/QUOTE]
None of my friends use Facebook, and I only use Google+ (I don't use it much though, since it was made public)
Facebook's privacy settings don't work. I chose to share albums with friends, and put a few names in the "don't share with" field, and they could still see it.
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