A UK documentary by Channel 4, who recently [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/feb/06/socchi-2014-channel-4-gay-winter-olympics-russia"]rebranded itself[/URL] as a "get fucked" to Russia for it's anti-gay laws and violence.
This is a documentary of said violence.
[B]This video may trigger PTSD in those who have been involved in an anti-gay attack, and is :nws: in general, watch at your own peril.[/B]
Trigger warnings tend to make us roll our eyes and say "lol Tumblr feminist." but I think this earns one.
[video=youtube;TfoeEpASnmc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfoeEpASnmc[/video]
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This is really fucked up. Bad.
Fucking disgusting, if I could I would wring these asshole's necks myself.
Expected David Attenborough.
Holy fuck.
These fucking people.
Fuck Russia's government for fostering a culture of hatred an bigotry.
[editline]7th February 2014[/editline]
I have the wrong avatar to be posting that
The most depressing thing I've seen in quite some time
Seen this on TV a couple days ago. I stopped watching after that guy was proud of shooting a gay guy in the face
man that guy sounds like makarov
Is it just me, or is the name "Sergei" kinda awkward, especially when it belongs to a raging homophobe.
I feel with the anti gay, anti pedophilia group (who were clearly just anti-gay) and others alike, you could sit there and argue the most valid points ever and they just don't want to know it, they're just totally locked in their views and even though I really hate that those sort of people exist just to make even the straight people who support homosexuality's lives a living hell.
For me, I see the anti-gay movement in Russia as something that has gotten really big, and out of control. How it's managed to have no trouble being on social media sites, I've clicked on a link to a video where they beat a gay man up, shaved off the top of his hair and painted a rainbow on his head, I looked through an album of literally 200 videos full of gay people "pedophiles" and anyone who isn't white from just one group.
I don't think Putin even likes gays so there is no way that they are ever going to pass any laws for gays, while he's around.
I haven't seen a single video that's made me this angry. Seriously, if all these anti-gay people just disappeared off the earth, would anything of value be lost? I can't think of a single reason for those people to exist.
And this is pretty much why I'll never visit Russia.
Not because I think that every russian is homophobic or something dumb like that, but because the government doesn't seem to take these attacks very seriously when it happens.
[QUOTE=staticman;43826509]
[B]This video may trigger PTSD in those who have been involved in an anti-gay attack, and is :nws: in general, watch at your own peril.[/B]
Trigger warnings tend to make us roll our eyes and say "lol Tumblr feminist." but I think this earns one.
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It's a shame how they turned it into a fucking joke [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/emoot/frown.gif[/IMG]
They managed to turn something reasonable like trigger warnings to something like "waaaaaaaaaah this episode of dr who has a man with money in it!! trigger warning trigger warning trigger warning trigger warning oh my feels i'm trembling!!! :( :( :("
that guy had some rad dance moves
Why not bring a baton, knife or some friends to check out the location if you are afraid of someone like that group meeting you?
[QUOTE=Awegner;43834524]Why not bring a baton, knife or some friends to check out the location if you are afraid of someone like that group meeting you?[/QUOTE]
Because you get invited back to an apartment by your new buddy, and suddenly he's got a half dozen, or maybe a dozen people grabbing you. Believe it or not, weapons aren't magical and there's some sense to the idea that if a Gay stabbed a non Gay, the police would charge him with attempted murder and his assailants with mere hooliganism.
Jesus though this made me sad. I study Russian Language very seriously. I have a boyfriend. Oh well, guess I'll have to choose one or the other.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;43835079]
Jesus though this made me sad. I study Russian Language very seriously. I have a boyfriend. Oh well, guess I'll have to choose one or the other.[/QUOTE]
How does studying Russian language prevent you from dating your boyfriend though. It's not like our language is homophobic, we have dirty words for everyone of all sexualities, races, intellectual development levels etc.
Oh hey, St. Petersburg, I live there
[editline]8th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;43830372]Is it just me, or is the name "Sergei" kinda awkward, especially when it belongs to a raging homophobe.[/QUOTE]
you don't want to know how much fun is made of you every day if that's your name :v:
Ugghhh I have to take small breaks every now and again while watching this due to feeling like I'm going to vomit
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Holy shit, this couldn't describe our people's LGBT hatred better.
Everyone here thinks that if you're homosexual you'll eventually become a buff hairy man who likes it up the ass every day and walks in a tight leather shorts, that kind of thing. Maybe the ignorance is the actual problem after all.
[QUOTE=Macneil_bmx;43830858]I feel with the anti gay, anti pedophilia group (who were clearly just anti-gay) and others alike, you could sit there and argue the most valid points ever and they just don't want to know it, they're just totally locked in their views and [/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter in the slightest. They have no views, they're just looking to beat someone. Doesn't matter who. They're just violent animals. It's considered cool between such people who to beat up. They were beating up guys from across the street, then foreigners, then they switched to paedophiles, now homosexuals, who knows who's next. The last two were blatantly inspired by the government, I agree, but reasoning with [b]these[/b] is impossible, not because they have their views set in stone, but because they have absolutely no opinion whatsoever. I've seen folks like that. Being quite ashamed of myself to admit it, I knew some folks like that; though we parted ways rather quickly.
[quote=stupid fuck]They have a lot of suicides, because they are mentally unstable[/quote]
Maybe, just fucking maybe it has something do with living in constant fear and persecution?
[quote=fat fuck]They've started to plant the idea in young people's minds that all this is normal. That they are just a bit different, that's all. Well excuse me, in that case pedophiles and sex offenders are just different too. Murderers and thieves are just different so we should also give them freedom to do what they want. [/quote]
[I]Well excuse me[/I], but homosexuals do things to each other with the permission of parties involved whereas pedophiles, sex offenders, murderers and thieves do things to people without their permission, you douchenozzle.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43835919]Maybe, just fucking maybe it has something do with living in constant fear and persecution?
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Yeah, I fucking hate that stupid shitty argument the most. It's so shit-eatingly hypocritical it's appalling. Worst of all, these kinds of ignorant misuse of statistics is thrown around wildly. Certain members of Parliament look so fucking smug when declaring that "homosexuals have a higher rate of suicides than anyone else" my hands are itching. These dicks - well fuck, I wonder why? Maybe it's because you, fucking retards, are standing there and shitting all over them, declaring them mentally ill freaks of nature with a tendency to rape children and zoophilia?
When you see a person who uses that kind of argument, you know for certain you're dealing with an ignorant fucking piss stain or a shitbag with certain disgusting agenda.
[QUOTE=gudman;43835422]It doesn't matter in the slightest. They have no views, they're just looking to beat someone. Doesn't matter who. They're just violent animals. It's considered cool between such people who to beat up. They were beating up guys from across the street, then foreigners, then they switched to paedophiles, now homosexuals, who knows who's next. The last two were blatantly inspired by the government, I agree, but reasoning with [B]these[/B] is impossible, not because they have their views set in stone, but because they have absolutely no opinion whatsoever. I've seen folks like that. Being quite ashamed of myself to admit it, I knew some folks like that; though we parted ways rather quickly.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say they have no opinion. I'd say it's the complete opposite. They have a very strong belief that a certain thing is wrong, in this case homosexuality, and they build mountains of bullshit on top of it with confirmation bias. It's almost impossible to reason with these people because they would have to admit to themselves that they have been wrong about so many things all this time. They don't even consider the possibility of being wrong.
There are people who are just looking for a fight and don't really care what the reason will be for beating people up and they often are part of those militant groups, but don't confuse the two.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43836256]I wouldn't say they have no opinion. I'd say it's the complete opposite. They have a very strong belief that a certain thing is wrong, in this case homosexuality, and they build mountains of bullshit on top of it with confirmation bias. It's almost impossible to reason with these people because they would have to admit to themselves that they have been wrong about so many things all this time. They don't even consider the possibility of being wrong.
There are people who are just looking for a fight and don't really care what the reason will be for beating people up and they often are part of those militant groups, but don't confuse the two.[/QUOTE]
The guys who don't give a shit who to beat up and why are a lot more common, I know what I'm talking about. I have had a couple of first-hand experiences with people like that (mostly when it was "cool" to beat up foreigners, not gays) and used to know a couple of my more "extreme" collegues, freelance journalists, who make a living from getting close to such groups and reporting what they are. They're 90% comprised of people who don't give a shit, right or wrong. Most of the people who organize them really do have an agenda, but it's pretty much always the same bunch - people who beat up foreigners and those who "hunt down" pedophiles and homosexuals.
[QUOTE=gudman;43836364]The guys who don't give a shit who to beat up and why are a lot more common, I know what I'm talking about. I have had a couple of first-hand experiences with people like that (mostly when it was "cool" to beat up foreigners, not gays) and used to know a couple of my more "extreme" collegues, freelance journalists, who make a living from getting close to such groups and reporting what they are. They're 90% comprised of people who don't give a shit, right or wrong. Most of the people who organize them really do have an agenda, but it's pretty much always the same bunch - people who beat up foreigners and those who "hunt down" pedophiles and homosexuals.[/QUOTE]
I'll say this again. There are 2 kinds of people who'd do this. They will be either the people you're talking about, the people who just want to beat someone up and will use any reason for it (and I know what I'm talking about too since I live in a town full of douchebags like that and I knew quite a few of them, and one time they have targeted me for having long hair which apparently mean I'm gay which means it's a good thing to beat me up), or they will be the people who were taught that homosexuality is evil ever since they were children. With the government turning a blind eye and this shit being taught in church you'll end up with quite a few of these people.
Now in my opinion the first group beats people up spontaneously while the latter organizes and "recruits" people from the first group but I wouldn't go as far as saying that vast majority of people who do shit like this are from the first group.
Call me sensationalist, but the people perpetrating these acts of savagery deserve to be killed.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43836473]I'll say this again. There are 2 kinds of people who'd do this.
Now in my opinion the first group beats people up spontaneously while the latter organizes and "recruits" people from the first group but I wouldn't go as far as saying that vast majority of people who do shit like this are from the first group.[/QUOTE]
Listen, you know who [b]would[/b], and I'm telling you who [b]do[/b]. By people who don't care I don't mean people who like, just spontaneously go and beat someone up because they want. I mean "street browlers", I specifically stated that there's a somewhat developed "class" of people who were fighting all their lives, starting from somewhat popular in the 90s and first half of 00s street "gang" brawls. They literally don't give a shit who to beat up as long as someone organizes them and points at a target. They're prevalent, always have been, among neo-nazis, pocket-sized criminal groups etc. These are literally the same kind of people.
They have no opinion at all, evident by how a lot of the early neo-nazi got split up for one reason or another, and some splinter groups became literally "anti-fascists". They began to hunt down their former comrades. Pedo-hunters and gay-hunters are the same type of splinter groups, and when interviewed, a lot of their gang members express quite shamelessly that they were neo-nazi fighters until it became quite troublesome.
It doesn't matter what they say - of course they would try to justify their disgusting actions, but these words are nothing but something they've memorized from the "briefing" they recieved from the people who orchestrate their attacks. "Blacks (yeah, immigrants are quite commonly referred to as "blacks" among these people) are bad because nation", "pedos are bad because morality", "faggots are bad because faggots", "guys from across the street are bad because gang wars", it's all the same. If tomorrow someone will point them at, say, disabled people, they will immediately reform and continue to justify their actions with lousy arguments aimed at mentally retarded.
Oh, obviously religion is involved. Little chance of fixing this issue, while they can't think for themselves.
[QUOTE=gudman;43836708]Listen, you know who [B]would[/B], and I'm telling you who [B]do[/B]. By people who don't care I don't mean people who like, just spontaneously go and beat someone up because they want. I mean "street browlers", I specifically stated that there's a somewhat developed "class" of people who were fighting all their lives, starting from somewhat popular in the 90s and first half of 00s street "gang" brawls. They literally don't give a shit who to beat up as long as someone organizes them and points at a target. They're prevalent, always have been, among neo-nazis, pocket-sized criminal groups etc. These are literally the same kind of people.
They have no opinion at all, evident by how a lot of the early neo-nazi got split up for one reason or another, and some splinter groups became literally "anti-fascists". They began to hunt down their former comrades. Pedo-hunters and gay-hunters are the same type of splinter groups, and when interviewed, a lot of their gang members express quite shamelessly that they were neo-nazi fighters until it became quite troublesome.
It doesn't matter what they say - of course they would try to justify their disgusting actions, but these words are nothing but something they've memorized from the "briefing" they recieved from the people who orchestrate their attacks. "Blacks (yeah, immigrants are quite commonly referred to as "blacks" among these people) are bad because nation", "pedos are bad because morality", "faggots are bad because faggots", "guys from across the street are bad because gang wars", it's all the same. If tomorrow someone will point them at, say, disabled people, they will immediately reform and continue to justify their actions with lousy arguments aimed at mentally retarded.[/QUOTE]
What are you even saying? That everyone who does this doesn't have have his own opinion? Are you refusing to believe someone can actually think that homosexuality is wrong or evil? What about all the homophobes who never beat anyone up? What about homophobes over 30? Are they all following the latest trend that hatred of certain group of people is considered cool?
I told you I know people like that too yet you're constantly trying to explain to me what they are like I have no idea and repeating yourself.
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