The music at the end was very Michael McCann Deus-Ex-y
No worries there. The top 10% that have most of the money reserves will be more than happy to share their wealth and support the "universal basic income" funds.
Soon even the burger flipping won't save you, time to apply to brazzers.com as a back up crew member.
the majority of his argument comes from the claim that old automation used to create jobs and that's why modern automation is bad, but for some reason he's only counting corporate jobs as actual work
there were way more jobs when hunting/agricultural societies were the norm. everyone in the family had to work in the fields to provide food and pay taxes/tribute, and this work started at a much younger age
we definitely need find a way to adapt to unchecked automation, but a lot of his points are inconsequential and misleading. the downside of trying to explain things to the masses is that it comes off as a bit scaremonger-y at times
I don't buy the whole "robots will replace freelancer jobs" thing. I'd sooner trust monkeys on a typewriter than a machine to write something.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;52328707]I don't buy the whole "robots will replace freelancer jobs" thing. I'd sooner trust monkeys on a typewriter than a machine to write something.[/QUOTE]
To a degree this is true, but there are actually a surprising number of machines in employment writing articles, especially sports articles.
[QUOTE=Zick-1957;52328620]Soon even the burger flipping won't save you, time to apply to brazzers.com as a back up crew member.[/QUOTE]
Even that won't save you, dildos on pneumatic poles have been doing the work of men for decades!
[QUOTE=Destroyox;52328707]I don't buy the whole "robots will replace freelancer jobs" thing. I'd sooner trust monkeys on a typewriter than a machine to write something.[/QUOTE]
Monkeys aren't increasing in intelligence and complexity exponentially atm though
[QUOTE=Destroyox;52328707]I don't buy the whole "robots will replace freelancer jobs" thing. I'd sooner trust monkeys on a typewriter than a machine to write something.[/QUOTE]
[media]https://soundcloud.com/user-95265362/i-am-ai-nvidia-gtc-17-keynote-soundtrack-performed-by-the-aiva-sinfonietta-orchestra[/media]
Here's an AI that's making music. As a writer, I can tell you that probably about 80% of the content you watch that was written by another person is built strongly off various formulas and knowledges (e.g. "Save the Cat" by Blake Snyder and the Monomyth) - the rest is syntactical and grammatical sugar with the occassional unusual character decision.
Edit: Also, that's all fueled by the desire by the media consuming community who literally want 'the same thing, only different' over and over.
[url=https://soundcloud.com/user-95265362]Link to AI music writer's soundcloud[/url]
Why would writing be off limits to a machine?
All writing and language is a series of repeated rules often used in formulaic ways. A machine is more than capable of learning language, and then using it accurately. Describing a "new concept" like a human writer would isn't even really something we do now. New ideas are so scarce in writing and creative arts, it's all about putting together the same old pieces in new ways. Why can't a machine do that?
[QUOTE=Destroyox;52328707]I don't buy the whole "robots will replace freelancer jobs" thing. I'd sooner trust monkeys on a typewriter than a machine to write something.[/QUOTE]
This is literally already happening, and the fact that you haven't noticed means that the bots are already surprisingly competent at it.
If it's just news articles I can imagine a robot regurgitating facts. I still think a robot being able to do anything creative is long off when it comes to writing or illustration (music is different). At worst if will be some random mess of garbage and at best it'll be very bland and boring.
[quote]I still think a robot being able to do anything creative is long off when it comes to writing or illustration (music is different). [/quote]
Really isn't. The trouble is training the AI to be an expert at a wide variety of things. You could teach an AI how to draw creative houses, another AI how to draw creative landscapes, and so forth. Creating an AI that can draw a creative landscape with creative houses and strange creatures in animated poses -- that requires a lot more building blocks than are presently available. (And is also hindered because AIs are 'blind' about the facts of our world until taught - so you have to teach them what a house is before you teach them how to draw a house)
However, just because those building blocks aren't presently robustly there doesn't mean that we don't have them right now. Your bar seems to not be 'an AI that can write/illustrate something creative' but rather 'one that does just as well as a Human'. That gap is a direct result of a lack of iteration and development - but isn't something that's blocked by technical impossibility but rather that the building blocks can't presently talk to each other very well.
Much like teaching a child how to paint, it can take years to train an AI how to do something well - and there's no guarantee that the artist you train will be of the same quality you wanted. The big distinction, however, would be that AI//Leonardo does not die - and will likely only make better art over time - and you can have a personal AI//Leonardo or AI//BobRoss on your smartphone etc potentially.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;52328939]If it's just news articles I can imagine a robot regurgitating facts. I still think a robot being able to do anything creative is long off when it comes to writing or illustration (music is different). At worst if will be some random mess of garbage and at best it'll be very bland and boring.[/QUOTE]
Have you not been seeing the threads recently where you can put in some lines and a neural network generates a painting for you? One of them is architectural, and by god the pure machine-generated ones look just like real buildings.
Soon enough they're going to develop into something far more. You're blind to the world if you don't understand this.
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It's going to be my job creating and developing AI's like this. By the time I finish my degree my job might already be taken by said machines considering Google has just started teaching AI's to, well, teach more AI's.
[QUOTE=Zick-1957;52328620]Soon even the burger flipping won't save you, time to apply to brazzers.com as a back up crew member.[/QUOTE]
The intelligent fucking machines will take the jobs there as well.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;52328939]If it's just news articles I can imagine a robot regurgitating facts. I still think a robot being able to do anything creative is long off when it comes to [b]writing or illustration [/B](music is different). At worst if will be some random mess of garbage and at best it'll be very bland and boring.[/QUOTE]
That's unfortunately incorrect already. There's already a robotic artist called [URL="http://www.thepaintingfool.com/"]The Painting Fool[/URL] Which has had numerous galleries to display its art.
There also was [URL="http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-novel-computer-writing-japan-20160322-story.html"]an endeavor in Japan to write a novel with a bot[/URL]. While it did require human guidance to prepare it, the machine did most of the writing and nearly won an award as a result.
Even while this kind of thing is in its infancy, the fact unfortunately remains that a lot of the creative work in the world is totally within reach for a computer. Until AI reaches some form of sapience, yes it won't develop art with the same kinds of thoughts and purposes as us. But that doesn't change that they are eventually going to be able to do a large portion of what we consider 'creative' jobs.
Personally, I think we're doomed far sooner than anyone believes.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52329552]Personally, I think we're doomed far sooner than anyone believes.[/QUOTE]
I don't really like that view, it makes it seem like the future is already decided and makes little reason to continue even improving.
It's like giving up when that's the last thing we need to do right now.
[QUOTE=ohzee;52329644]I don't really like that view, it makes it seem like the future is already decided and makes little reason to continue even improving.
It's like giving up when that's the last thing we need to do right now.[/QUOTE]
Ahh I'm not giving up, I'm just mentally preparing for the revolution.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52329552]Personally, I think we're doomed far sooner than anyone believes.[/QUOTE]
The video said it won't happen over night but I'm willing to bet it'll feel like it has.
I once used AI to write an essay for an ethics course in college (bit ironic), submitted it after 15 minutes of review and scored 90 out of 100.
My area of research right now involves the use of deep learning to train neural networks in generalised data predictions. So far the results are surprisingly positive and each step forces me to rethink how close we are to a drastic change.
For good or for worse. I recommend everyone here read [URL="http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html"]this (very, very long) post by waitbuywhy[/URL] if you haven't already.
don't worry, there'll be work for everyone when we fuck our planet so hard that there'll be jobs to save it.
[QUOTE=angelangel;52330600]don't worry, there'll be work for everyone when we fuck our planet so hard that there'll be jobs to save it.[/QUOTE]
Nah, just jobs to help pack the rich onto their colony ships and leave us on the barren rock they poisoned.
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but like
Do you ever think that when AI in automation truly becomes self aware they are the only ones doing labor (and with no compensation), they would protest? Maybe they would argue that it's slavery or that it isn't fair.
It'll be like an Omnic rights debate going on.
Me, personally? If AI does become self aware and demands to be treated like a human being, yeah, I'd fight beside it for equal rights. Now, if they were to pull a Terminator, or Null Sector, or something, that is where I draw the line.
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;52331951]I'm sure this has been discussed before, but like
Do you ever think that when AI in automation truly becomes self aware they are the only ones doing labor (and with no compensation), they would protest? Maybe they would argue that it's slavery or that it isn't fair.
It'll be like an Omnic rights debate going on.
Me, personally? If AI does become self aware and demands to be treated like a human being, yeah, I'd fight beside it for equal rights. Now, if they were to pull a Terminator, or Null Sector, or something, that is where I draw the line.[/QUOTE]
Why would you assume an AI would have a concept of persecution, or any emotions at all? An AI that is designed to learn patterns and increase efficiency indefinitely won't spontaneously develop a sense of injustice because that doesn't benefit its task.
People need to stop looking at Terminator as a realistic depiction of AI. [sp]Also I'd like to point out that in the Terminator universe the humans are winning the war against the machines, so the comparison doesn't even work as a doomsday scenario.[/sp]
If more and more automated machinery starts replacing labour-intensive tasks, I wonder if the cost of living will be reduced since we're not actually paying for someone's own time for them to e.g. build us a house or a car, therefore we'll need less money / less hours of work, but I'm probably just being overly optimistic.
[QUOTE=jjjohan;52332142]If more and more automated machinery starts replacing labour-intensive tasks, I wonder if the cost of living will be reduced since we're not actually paying for someone's own time for them to e.g. build us a house or a car, therefore we'll need less money / less hours of work, but I'm probably just being overly optimistic.[/QUOTE]
"Getting something for free?? What is this, Soviet Russia?!"
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;52331951]I'm sure this has been discussed before, but like
Do you ever think that when AI in automation truly becomes self aware they are the only ones doing labor (and with no compensation), they would protest? Maybe they would argue that it's slavery or that it isn't fair.
It'll be like an Omnic rights debate going on.
Me, personally? If AI does become self aware and demands to be treated like a human being, yeah, I'd fight beside it for equal rights. Now, if they were to pull a Terminator, or Null Sector, or something, that is where I draw the line.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever considered the sheer logistical clusterfuck it would be to kill each and every human on the planet?
No machine would logically go "oh well let's just kill 7 billion humans no problem".
[QUOTE=Destroyox;52328939]If it's just news articles I can imagine a robot regurgitating facts. I still think a robot being able to do anything creative is long off when it comes to writing or illustration (music is different). At worst if will be some random mess of garbage and at best it'll be very bland and boring.[/QUOTE]
Ok, you've gotta understand the stupid fast pace machines are evolving. 50 years ago they could barely do math when given every single parameter, and now machine learning has semicompetent chatbots and computers that can recognize faces, articles of clothing, gestures, etc from a photo. A properly trained machine could do [I]investigative[/I] journalism much better and faster than a human can, it could take any piece of data and mesh it into an infinitely-large "corkboard with tacks" before a human could 'regurgitate facts' as you say.
Also, fiction writing is, by and large, formulaic and bland. You're probably thinking of chatbots or other [URL="https://twitter.com/jamieabrew/status/695060640931549184"]markov chain based[/URL] robo-writers when you think "robot writing a novel", but it would only be bad because those methods aren't [I]supposed[/I] to write long-form texts. They're only optimized to suggest the next few words that'd make sense in a sentence, and they're very good at doing that. All it would take is a team of engineers deconstructing a particular type of novel into it's basic parts, teaching them to an AI that's also been given some concept of internal consistency, and feeding it hundreds of amazon best-sellers for it to come up with something comparable to those human-made novels.
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