Democrats Beware: Sanders ‘Movement’ Turns to Midterms - Polidicks

[QUOTE]With Democrats facing tough prospects in the midterm elections, will they also have to worry about primary challenges from their left flank? During his presidential campaign, Sen. Bernie Sanders never quite decided whether his "political revolution" could coexist with the Democratic Party or needed to overthrow it. Now, Sanders is one of the most popular political figures in the country and the activists he galvanized have gone on to start new groups, join old ones, or run electoral campaigns. The path of Sanders' former staffers reflects the split in his movement, and the some are already galvanizing for the 2018 elections — and setting their sights on their own. Rep. Keith Ellison, one of Sanders' most prominent allies, preached unity during his bid for the chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee and is now the party's deputy chairman.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Another new group staffed by ex-Sanders aides, [B]Justice Democrats[/B], has less clear plans. While their audacious talk isn't backed up at the moment, they have an innovative model that could be used to run a large slate of candidates on the cheap against possibly dozens of incumbents. This week, Justice Democrats merged operations with another anti-incumbent group founded by former Sanders aides, Brand New Congress, which started last year.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/democrats-vs-trump/democrats-beware-sanders-movement-turns-midterms-n735301"]http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/democrats-vs-trump/democrats-beware-sanders-movement-turns-midterms-n735301[/URL] Here we go, And this supposedly scary for Democrats folks. Plus this is Cenk reaction to article... [video]https://youtu.be/Q6OlbZZ83v4[/video]

we really need to focus on getting the tea bagger republicans out though, and state elections because congress has been gerrymandered to the point that they have almost a completely safe majority

I don't care what title they give us. My beliefs are the same. Knock out the Democratic party if you want to, and take the Republicans while you're at it. A big do-over is what we need.

This is so exciting if it can turn into something real.

So basically, we're going to splinter any resistance we have left to Trump's agenda by getting even more Republicans elected? Count me out.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51996295]So basically, we're going to splinter any resistance we have left to Trump's agenda by getting even more Republicans elected? Count me out.[/QUOTE] Not like the Democrat Party did a good job of stopping the GOP anyway. In fact, seems that just following the same trend they have been will only result in the same conclusion: More GOP.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51996295]So basically, we're going to splinter any resistance we have left to Trump's agenda by getting even more Republicans elected? Count me out.[/QUOTE] Eh. Might be the opposite. People might be involved and move Republicans out. Dems have a lot of talking points with Trump's short time in office

[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51996295]So basically, we're going to splinter any resistance we have left to Trump's agenda by getting even more Republicans elected? Count me out.[/QUOTE] If the DNC is your plan to resist trump, I can only imagine you'll continue to be disappointed. People with a fresh slate and less pressure to obey or display loyalty to the DNC would be a welcome change to voters in general, IMO. Also trump doesn't seem to be showing any signs that he's going to be any less ridiculous in 3 years, so with the resources he currently has access too, anything that can be used against his next challenger probably will be, and he probably doesn't care about any potential damage it might cause the RNC either, might even see it as a benefit, which probably opens up quite a bit of his political arsenal. To be perfectly honest, the DNC is probably one of the few groups I could see losing to trump in an election twice.

I think that if we fight with Republicans, it is likely we will lose. If we fight other Democrats we will be even more likely to lose. (Not toxxing) I keep predicting the worst possible outcome to any situation and keep being proved right. I am become prophet. Destroyer of hope.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51996322]Not like the Democrat Party did a good job of stopping the GOP anyway. In fact, seems that just following the same trend they have been will only result in the same conclusion: More GOP.[/QUOTE] who won the popular vote, and picked up house seats as well as a senate seat? right not the republicans

The battle in the democrats is between people who have genuine interest in the working class and the average person and neoliberal corporate shills who would run hillary in 2020 because they are completely clueless to how this country goes.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51996380]I think that if we fight with Republicans, it is likely we will lose. If we fight other Democrats we will be even more likely to lose. (Not toxxing) I keep predicting the worst possible outcome to any situation and keep being proved right. I am become prophet. Destroyer of hope.[/QUOTE] Just depends of DNC or Republicans finding ways to rigged race. And also hope of all those moronic reactionary baby boomers demographic will slowly dying off.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51996399]who won the popular vote, and picked up house seats as well as a senate seat? right not the republicans[/QUOTE] ... Who has a majority in the House, Senate, and holds the presidency right now? How delusional can you be. The DNC had an election cycle plopped up on a platter for them and they lost it. I have absolutely no faith in them now.

They didn't have it on the platter. The Senate was always very likely to stay Republican since the Democrats were well on the defensive. They'll probably also fail to get the Senate in 2018 unless like, the economy explodes. I'd be real happy if the Democratic party were the strong social democracy party with the Republicans being more fiscally reserved neoliberals. With both being forward on social issues when the direct evidence is there. Something like the SPD vs CDU in Germany. In that case even if I disagreed with say, the Republican party still, I'd at least be comfortable with them in power knowing they aren't just fucking throwing science and economics out the window.

A previously independent, socialist Jewish grandpa is hardly an established Democrat, if you want a shakeup candidate Bernie is fundamentally your guy for the job. If the DNC didn't throw him under the bus in favor maintaining the status quo and throwing all their weight behind an un-electable candidate, there was a much better chance of Trump not becoming President. I hear a lot of long term (and very old) Democrats blaming Bernie for Hillary losing solely for "running against her", so that should give you an idea of what kind of change he would've brought to this country had he been elected. I mean let's face it, the major political parties in the US have turned into sports teams with how people will blindly support the actions of their side of government. People need to be more open minded about all sides of the isle and unify behind some core ideals that would very much fall under a mix of Libertarian, Republican, and Democratic beliefs. I mean, I personally believe in both Gun rights [i]and[/i] abortion rights, so I guess you could say I'm part of the "kill it if it needs to die" party, for lack of a better term. It's this kind of mixed ideology that needs to be looked at, this purely partisan divide will kill this country faster than any terror group.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;51996720]A previously independent, socialist Jewish grandpa is hardly an established Democrat, if you want a shakeup candidate Bernie is fundamentally your guy for the job. If the DNC didn't throw him under the bus in favor maintaining the status quo and throwing all their weight behind an un-electable candidate, there was a much better chance of Trump not becoming President. I hear a lot of long term (and very old) Democrats blaming Bernie for Hillary losing solely for "running against her", so that should give you an idea of what kind of change he would've brought to this country had he been elected. I mean let's face it, the major political parties in the US have turned into sports teams with how people will blindly support the actions of their side of government. People need to be more open minded about all sides of the isle and unify behind some core ideals that would very much fall under a mix of Libertarian, Republican, and Democratic beliefs. I mean, I personally believe in both Gun rights [i]and[/i] abortion rights, so I guess you could say I'm part of the "kill it if it needs to die" party, for lack of a better term. It's this kind of mixed ideology that needs to be looked at, this purely partisan divide will kill this country faster than any terror group.[/QUOTE] Yea I agree with you that today American and British politics becoming both partisan and Cult of Personality-like mentality over years, And also forgot Green belief or any other ideological beliefs too if you want talk about Syncretic politics.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;51996720]A previously independent, socialist Jewish grandpa is hardly an established Democrat, if you want a shakeup candidate Bernie is fundamentally your guy for the job. If the DNC didn't throw him under the bus in favor maintaining the status quo and throwing all their weight behind an un-electable candidate, there was a much better chance of Trump not becoming President. I hear a lot of long term (and very old) Democrats blaming Bernie for Hillary losing solely for "running against her", so that should give you an idea of what kind of change he would've brought to this country had he been elected. I mean let's face it, the major political parties in the US have turned into sports teams with how people will blindly support the actions of their side of government. People need to be more open minded about all sides of the isle and unify behind some core ideals that would very much fall under a mix of Libertarian, Republican, and Democratic beliefs. I mean, I personally believe in both Gun rights [i]and[/i] abortion rights, so I guess you could say I'm part of the "kill it if it needs to die" party, for lack of a better term. It's this kind of mixed ideology that needs to be looked at, this purely partisan divide will kill this country faster than any terror group.[/QUOTE] Hoover Institute has found we aren't as polarized as we thought in fact majority is Center, Trump may have won because Hillary was Arrogant and Wanted the stricter gun laws, and Trump Tapped into the Economic Anxiety, because The economy was still horrendous for people. Basically we definatly need a center party.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51996295]So basically, we're going to splinter any resistance we have left to Trump's agenda by getting even more Republicans elected? Count me out.[/QUOTE] What resistance? They keep confirming trump's appointees and going along with his policies.

[QUOTE=Reshy;51997820]What resistance? They keep confirming trump's appointees and going along with his policies.[/QUOTE] I thought that was because the Republicans hold an overwhelming majority in the house and the senate, so even if every Democrat voted against it, there still wouldn't be enough votes to stop the president's agenda.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51997494]Hoover Institute has found we aren't as polarized as we thought in fact majority is [I]centrism[/I], Trump may have won because Hillary was Arrogant and Wanted the stricter gun laws, and Trump Tapped into the Economic Anxiety, because The economy was still horrendous for people. Basically we definatly need a "[I]centrist[/I]" party.[/QUOTE] According to Gallup that most americans are still centre-right but rise of left wing politics are result of Millennials coming out of woodworks ([URL="http://www.gallup.com/poll/201152/conservative-liberal-gap-continues-narrow-tuesday.aspx?g_source=moderate&g_medium=search&g_campaign=tiles"]http://www.gallup.com/poll/201152/conservative-liberal-gap-continues-narrow-tuesday.aspx?g_source=moderate&g_medium=search&g_campaign=tiles[/URL]) Trump runs an social, international and economic nationalist-based populist campaign and only people who believe that are majority Baby boomers and apathic anti-establishment voters. And Hillary runs badly because well yea Narcisstic mindset but her campaign did very terrible job of getting rest of smarter & undecided voters and only reasons millions of people even voting for her because of your voting system mostly and Trump. And today Democratic Party (aka DNC) [I]is[/I] centrist party but corrupted because of Bill Clinton reworking from Carter era Democratic Party with his 'Third Way' ideology. [editline]22nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51997878]I thought that was because the Republicans hold an overwhelming majority in the house and the senate, so even if every Democrat voted against it, there still wouldn't be enough votes to stop the president's agenda.[/QUOTE] I think there some traitorous mentally conservative democrats (like Cory Booker) supported Trump picks and other Republicans bills because they think this is their survival from disappearing.

[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;51997901] Trump runs an social, international and economic nationalist-based populist campaign and only people who believe that are majority Baby boomers and apathic anti-establishment voters. [/QUOTE] As someone who is going to college in a rural area of the rustbelt, there are more rural Millenials who voted for Trump than you realize, many of whom better educated than rural Baby Boomers, but still just as gullible.

Is everyone forgetting who's running Justice Democrats? This can turn out to be really good or really bad.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51997965]As someone who is going to college in a rural area of the rustbelt, there are more [B]rural Millenials who voted for Trump[/B] than you realize, many of whom better educated than rural Baby Boomers, but still just as gullible.[/QUOTE] Ok, But still overall mostly them voted Hillary (fearmongering of Trump and extreme loyal to Bernie words) and quarter Trump (due branding himself as "Mr. Anti-establishment") with other quarter them vote Johnson and Stein (well they were disllusioned with political system and seen both them as equally same) too if you put it in four-way race. And I bet those group of them are just naive because their partisan parents raised them to vote him or they had to do it because (justified) lesser of evil rhetoric thought by your society.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51995782]we really need to focus on getting the tea bagger republicans out though, and state elections because congress has been gerrymandered to the point that they have almost a completely safe majority[/QUOTE] Exactly this. I honestly have a feeling that Justice Democrats are going to go full retard and focus on strong arming democrats out of congress moreso than Republicans. I absolutely cannot see Justice Democrats working together with Democrats because of leftover hatred from the election.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51998012]Exactly this. I honestly have a feeling that Justice Democrats are going to go full retard and focus on strong arming democrats out of congress moreso than Republicans. I absolutely cannot see [B]Justice Democrats working together[/B] with Democrats because of leftover hatred from the election.[/QUOTE] According by them, They already did form coalition with Brand New Congress organization to least trying getting new seats for Democratic Party for next year.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;51996555]... Who has a majority in the House, Senate, and holds the presidency right now? How delusional can you be. The DNC had an election cycle plopped up on a platter for them and they lost it. I have absolutely no faith in them now.[/QUOTE] like i said they picked up house seats but congress has almost no compedative districts anymore thanks to gerrymandering.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51998348]I see 0 plans to defeat Trump and/or Republicans. All I see are plans to fight Democrats. If they run as spoilers in certain districts in 2018, they will hand more seats to the GOP than they replace with "progressives". Acting without thinking is not smart. (What a redundant sentence.) People need to sort their priorities straight, and dont forget that they live in a 2 party state. There is nothing wrong with campaigning for change within party as long as you arent helping the opposite party. [editline]23rd March 2017[/editline] [B]You have to pick the lesser evil for your interests, not to satisfy some rhetoric or societal norm. It became a norm because it is logical, not the other way around.[/B][/QUOTE] And that why people are staying home in first place and leave very risky brave and rebellious third party voters 'spolied' candidate you had pretend to like, because some and still will going think that 'logical' sound realistically and irrationally crazy, authoritarian and undemocratic/unrepresentative for one person's political upsides, instead have normal reasoning to vote those very flaw two candidates with one thing that they kinda agree, if person dont see why pretend one its worst while both are clearly equally same because that HOW REALITY works not being partisan 'zombie' to badly converting voters who not agree your political paranoia. I meant, I hate Trump too and even I daydream few times of Trump deserve getting coma throughout election but I will not pretend be that partisan and childish of see one side as evil or flaw. Instead what party's chairperson pushing his/her candidate who dont deserve won in first place and blindly accept like religious cult. No it will not work 100% all time. And that why if person like you pushing me. I will ignore you even its your fear and aware it effect 'norm' results but honestly blame voting system that founding fathers thought its working from long time and show decaying every election cycle.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51995782]we really need to focus on getting the tea bagger republicans out though, and state elections because congress has been gerrymandered to the point that they have almost a completely safe majority[/QUOTE] Nah man banning guns is more important :downs:

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51998348]You have to pick the lesser evil for your interests, not to satisfy some rhetoric or societal norm. It became a norm because it is logical, not the other way around.[/QUOTE] It's the "norm" because of the shit fucking election system the US currently has. An election system that isn't going to change if the status quo isn't challenged, most realistically internally.

I would actually wan't a Centrist Party .