• Russia vows to accept Crimea into the Russian Federation
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[quote=BBC][B]The heads of Russia's two houses of parliament have said they will support Crimea if the region votes to leave Ukraine in a referendum on 16 March. [/B] After meeting visiting Crimean MPs, Federation Council Speaker Valentina Matviyenko said the peninsula would be [B]welcome as an equal part of Russia.[/B] The interim government in Kiev has denounced the vote as "illegitimate". Meanwhile, Russia's state-owned energy copany, Gazprom, has warned Ukraine that its gas supply might be cut off.[/quote] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26489936"]Source (BBC)[/URL]
My eyes are so widened and my jaw as dropped, I am so surprised by this announcement by Russia.
Well that was entirely unexpected, I thought they will turn it down. Jesus our [del]print[/del] parliament is so unpredictable. Just so you guys know, it's not everything, now Putin has to sign and confirm it. What a thrill, what will he do?
[QUOTE=gudman;44161734]Well that was entirely unexpected, I thought they will turn it down. Jesus our [del]print[/del] parliament is so unpredictable. Just so you guys know, it's not everything, now Putin has to sign and confirm it. What a thrill, what will he do?[/QUOTE] He probably believes Crimea belongs to Ukraine, and will veto the approval by the parliament
"Stand down and prepare to be welcomed into our glorious nation"
[QUOTE=Hole;44161745]He probably believes Crimea belongs to Ukraine, and will veto the approval by the parliament[/QUOTE] What if he'll publicly announce that he's gay and identifies as a banana instead? Will WWIII happen then?
oh no i'm gobsmacked
When I asked my Russian friend residing in Moscow about Ukraine he had this to say [quote=My russian friend]Medvedev said there is no reasonable man to talk to in the post coup government. Its just a de facto cabinet of people who know nothing about politics. the referendum isn't official by EU standards but its more legitimate than the euromaidan government anyways. Yanukovich is still the president de juro but nobody wants him there. Unlikely that there will be an armed conflict considering Ukraine mobilized its army which is untrained and almost non existent. All the hardware we gave them in the Soviet era is either broken or sold to countries like Georgia to repay national debts. This was bound to happen to Ukraine considering how terrible internal affairs have been since the fall of the union.[/quote] Gudman can you back this up or is any of it untrue?
[QUOTE=Talishmar;44161798]"Prepare to be welcomed back to our glorious nation"[/QUOTE] Fixed that. Crimea has only been part of the Ukraine for 60 years when Khrushchev transferred it from Russia to the Ukraine, and the Russian Federation has always claimed his decision to transfer Crimea was legally null and void, they just haven't brought it up since the early 90s.
Simon Shuster ‏@shustry 1h CONFIRMED: Russian forces storming Ukraine base near Sevastopol, home of anti-aircraft commander center #Crimea [url]http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/03/7/7018108/[/url] Ack. Talk about escalation. First things to try and invade a country even further. Take out Air defenses.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;44161890] Gudman can you back this up or is any of it untrue?[/QUOTE] I haven't personally heard anything about Medvedev saying something about the pending referendum, but other than that it's all correct. Interim government is not considered legitimate by Russian government, Yanuk's "impeachment" procedure was botched. And Ukrainian army, there really is no army to speak of. Untrained, undersupplied, unsupervised etc.
[quote]Meanwhile, Russia's state-owned energy copany, Gazprom, has warned Ukraine that its gas supply might be cut off.[/quote] It's like reading a comic book plot unfolding.
[QUOTE=superdeluxe;44161967]Simon Shuster ‏@shustry 1h CONFIRMED: [b]Russian forces[/b] storming Ukraine base near Sevastopol, home of anti-aircraft commander center #Crimea [url]http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/03/7/7018108/[/url] Ack. Talk about escalation. First things to try and invade a country even further. Take out Air defenses.[/QUOTE] Pro-russian* forces. The article you linked first says "Russian military storm..." and then that group of attackers consists of paramilitary and "radicals". For some reason they contradict themselves there, might be conflicting sources.
Ukrainian sources have already proved themselves as untrusty - that false 'Ultimate' earlier, if you dont forgot. Its better to wait until such news will be confirmed by BBC, CNN and RT for full picture. Video and photo evidences are welcome as well)) Funny, but by me it more looks like Ukrainian media dont know how to fight information warfare properly.
I'm surprised that there isn't much of an outrage here in the US, sure economic sanctions from the government, but the people don't seem to give a shit. I guess i shouldn't be, my parents legitimately believe that Ukraine as a whole still belongs to Russia.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;44161798]"Stand down and prepare to be welcomed into our glorious nation"[/QUOTE][I]your economical and geopolitical distinctiveness will be added to our own. resistance is futile.[/I]
[QUOTE=unidentified;44163178]Ukrainian sources have already proved themselves as untrusty - that false 'Ultimate' earlier, if you dont forgot. Its better to wait until such news will be confirmed by BBC, CNN and RT for full picture. Video and photo evidences are welcome as well)) Funny, but by me it more looks like Ukrainian media dont know how to fight information warfare properly.[/QUOTE] Well, considering Ukraine is Ukraine and Russia's Russia, it's no wonder Russia is better in propaganda. Anyway, here's hoping it won't escalate to further military intervention.
Not so much a federation as a union I suppose.
so is the Russian Federation like the new soviet union or what
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;44170413]so is the Russian Federation like the new soviet union or what[/QUOTE] Nah it's their version of the WWE.
No shit. [quote]they will support Crimea if the region votes to leave Ukraine in a referendum on 16 March[/quote] Oh yes because that referendum is totally legit and not set up so that Russia takes over Crimea "legitimately". [QUOTE=unidentified;44163178]and RT[/QUOTE] No.
How magnanimous of them.
What an entirely unforeseen development!
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;44171939]No shit. No.[/QUOTE] While BBC and CNN have a slightly different points of view on what's happening in Ukraine, RT have a lot more difference from both of them. By denying RT as an information source (let's be honest - there is no other media source with another point of view on this matter other than RT's) you are accepting the risk falling into the information hole, digged by just one side of the conflict.
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;44170413]so is the Russian Federation like the new soviet union or what[/QUOTE] That's just the country's name. It's like the United Mexican States, we just call it by a simpler name, Mexico. Same with russia.
[QUOTE=unidentified;44173503]While BBC and CNN have a slightly different points of view on what's happening in Ukraine, RT have a lot more difference from both of them. By denying RT as an information source (let's be honest - there is no other media source with another point of view on this matter other than RT's) you are accepting the risk falling into the information hole, digged by just one side of the conflict.[/QUOTE] The more sources you read about the conflict from, the better prepared you will be to have an informed opinion on the matter, so I agree with you. That's not to say all sources will always be correct, but if you have all the different standpoints on the matter, you'll see which one is (mostly) correct and which is obviously balderdash. No one source should be entirely denounced.
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