Conor Oberst Rape Accuser: 'I Made Up Lies to Get Attention' - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Joanie Faircloth, who alleged that Bright Eyes frontman Conor Oberst had sexually assaulted her in the comments of an XOJane article, has now admitted that she made the whole story up. In February, Oberst had filed a libel lawsuit against her, calling her accusations "absolutely, unequivocally false." Now Faircloth is asking for forgiveness for what she wrote. "The statements I made and repeated online and elsewhere over the past six months accusing Conor Oberst of raping me are 100 percent false," she wrote in a notarized statement via Buzzfeed. "I made up those lies about him to get attention while I was going through a difficult period in my life and trying to cope with my son's illness. I publicly retract my statements about Conor Oberst and sincerely apologize to him, his family and his fans for writing such awful things about him. I realize that my actions were wrong and could undermine the claims of actual sexual assault victims and for that I also apologize. I'm truly sorry for all the pain that I caused." [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/conor-oberst-rape-accuser-i-made-up-lies-to-get-attention-20140714"]http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/conor-oberst-rape-accuser-i-made-up-lies-to-get-attention-20140714[/URL]

It's people like these who make extremist feminists and SJWs look like a gaggle of bratty "my way or the highway" teenagers who will never actually help their case and will never be taken seriously.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;45396754]It's people like these who make extremist feminists and SJWs look like a gaggle of bratty "my way or the highway" teenagers who will never actually help their case and will never be taken seriously.[/QUOTE] No, I am pretty sure that extremist feminists and SJW do a better job of making themselves look like a bunch of idiots than people like her do.

That's true, at least she apologized

People like her who falsely and knowingly accuses someone of rape are just as bad as those who do rape.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;45397121]People like her who falsely and knowingly accuses someone of rape are just as bad as those who do rape.[/QUOTE] They're not comparable crimes

Knowingly accusing someone of rape isn't worse than actually raping someone because of the end result, they're completely different crimes. A rapist gets some form of payout for their work and suffering (the sex), but a false accusation only gets the shit end of the stick with legal battles and an incredibly damaged social life to the point I'm sure they'd be very inclined to kill themselves. False accusations could be considered libel I think, but not much else, and having people punished for it sets a bad precedent for people who were actually raped but don't know if they have enough evidence to convict the person for whatever reason.

They're both very bad in different ways.

She's only apologizing because there's a lawsuit against her and she knows she's fucked, so in a last ditch effort she hopes saying "I'm sorry" will make everything better.

[QUOTE=draugur;45397184]Knowingly accusing someone of rape isn't worse than actually raping someone because of the end result, they're completely different crimes. A rapist gets some form of payout for their work and suffering (the sex), but a false accusation only gets the shit end of the stick with legal battles and an incredibly damaged social life to the point I'm sure they'd be very inclined to kill themselves. False accusations could be considered libel I think, but not much else, and having people punished for it sets a bad precedent for people who were actually raped but don't know if they have enough evidence to convict the person for whatever reason.[/QUOTE] What the fuck kind of twisted logic is that? The rapist gets a reward??? How about just don't accuse people of shit for your petty personal motivations to see them harmed, physically or legally, both of which usually happens to men who are charged with false rape accusations, because boy do white knights love a chance to prove how valiant they are. As for the legal side of things, no it doesn't set any "precedence" to punish people for slander. If someone accused you of murder, forced you to go through costly legal process and be socially outcast in your community - you would want reparations of some kind. The only "precedence" it sets for real rape victims is that false accusations don't go unpunished - guess what, thats not a precedence its basic law, don't try to get people convicted of crimes they did not do, or it might come back to bite you in the ass. Why does rape get a special treatment in this consideration that every other crime doesn't?

[QUOTE=draugur;45397184]Knowingly accusing someone of rape isn't worse than actually raping someone because of the end result, they're completely different crimes. A rapist gets some form of payout for their work and suffering (the sex), but a false accusation only gets the shit end of the stick with legal battles and an incredibly damaged social life to the point I'm sure they'd be very inclined to kill themselves. False accusations could be considered libel I think, but not much else, and having people punished for it sets a bad precedent for people who were actually raped but don't know if they have enough evidence to convict the person for whatever reason.[/QUOTE] That's a shit argument, you wouldn't ever be punished if you didn't have enough evidence, that doesn't happen with anything. The only way you would be punished would be if you had proof that it was a false accusation - that's what most people defend it should happen. Punishing for lack of evidence is a ridiculous concept and I've never saw anyone pushing that way.

There's also a difference between your claim being dismissed because of lack of evidence and straight up admitting that you made the claim up.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45397146]They're not comparable crimes[/QUOTE] With rape you do big psychological damage and maybe physical. With accusation you do lots of social damage, people hate you, you may lose friends/family w/e. I think rape is still worse but accusation may be also devastating, depends.. if you are public figure or not.

This idea that punishing false accusations under slander is damaging to real rape victims is some serious mental gymnastics - [I]wouldn't the false accusation in the first place be more damaging to the cases of real rape victims??[/I] Hereto, if you're actually interested in justice, you should be riding false accusations as hard as possible, they ruin two lives, the accused and potentially that of a real rape victim seeking justice in the future. First of all, you cannot be punished for a lack of evidence. Secondly its not as easy as just going "LOL! SLANDER!" *ka-ching!*, its the same as every other legal process.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;45397350]There's also a difference between your claim being dismissed because of lack of evidence and straight up admitting that you made the claim up.[/QUOTE] you can totally be coerced into saying that though, not that that necessarily happened here but it's silly to act like that's not within the realm of possibility. a libel charge is perfectly acceptable [editline]15th July[/editline] i mean i'm not saying that everyone who ever committed libel was coerced, but we can't act like we're looking at it equally when we're not only failing to take that possibility into account, but also making it drastically worse if that is what happened

[QUOTE=draugur;45397184]Knowingly accusing someone of rape isn't worse than actually raping someone because of the end result, they're completely different crimes. A rapist gets some form of payout for their work and suffering (the sex), but a false accusation only gets the shit end of the stick with legal battles and an incredibly damaged social life to the point I'm sure they'd be very inclined to kill themselves. False accusations could be considered libel I think, but not much else, and having people punished for it sets a bad precedent for people who were actually raped but don't know if they have enough evidence to convict the person for whatever reason.[/QUOTE] The problem with this is that it ignores how severely a false accusation can impact the person being accused. Even if the person is cleared they're going to carry all of that social and emotional damage for a long, long time. Simply slapping a false accuser with libel/slander (which is a relatively minor charge) doesn't serve as a suitable punishment. That said, this only applies to people who have been [I]proven[/I] in a court of law to have falsely accused someone. This does not apply to people who have a lack of evidence, because a lack of evidence should never be a cause to punish the accuser.

[QUOTE=Fourier;45397359]With rape you do big psychological damage and maybe physical. With accusation you do lots of social damage, people hate you, you may lose friends/family w/e. I think rape is still worse but accusation may be also devastating, depends.. if you are public figure or not.[/QUOTE] Why do you have such need to compare apples and oranges?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45397146]They're not comparable crimes[/QUOTE] You're right, accusing someone of rape falsely and knowingly is far worse Not only do you get the enormous emotional trauma, but you also get listed as a sex offender for the rest of your life, ruining any possibilities for relationships on pretty much any level with other people. You become a black sheep, nobody believes you, and everyone hates you. On top of that, you get huge amounts of jail time (where, due to the nature of your crime, you will likely be raped).

I didn't even know Conor had these accusations against him. Thank god they're false, I love some of this guy's music.

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45397255]What the fuck kind of twisted logic is that? The rapist gets a reward??? How about just don't accuse people of shit for your petty personal motivations to see them harmed, physically or legally, both of which usually happens to men who are charged with false rape accusations, because boy do white knights love a chance to prove how valiant they are. As for the legal side of things, no it doesn't set any "precedence" to punish people for slander. If someone accused you of murder, forced you to go through costly legal process and be socially outcast in your community - you would want reparations of some kind. The only "precedence" it sets for real rape victims is that false accusations don't go unpunished - guess what, thats not a precedence its basic law, don't try to get people convicted of crimes they did not do, or it might come back to bite you in the ass. Why does rape get a special treatment in this consideration that every other crime doesn't?[/QUOTE] But only like .5% of all rape accusations turn out to be false so it's ok.

[QUOTE=Duskin;45397214]She's only apologizing because there's a lawsuit against her and she knows she's fucked, so in a last ditch effort she hopes saying "I'm sorry" will make everything better.[/QUOTE] Not so much of a last ditch effort, but running out of options. :v: Plus the lawsuit against her, so yeah.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45397954]But only like .5% of all rape accusations turn out to be false so it's ok.[/QUOTE] It's actually closer to 2%-5%. More than false accusations of other crimes, but less than half of rapes are reported to authorities in the first place, so it evens out to be about the same rate as false accusations of other crimes.

I know it's kind of irrelevant, but releasing this as a "notarized statement via Buzzfeed" sounds idiotic.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45397954]But only like .5% of all rape accusations turn out to be false so it's ok.[/QUOTE] Its 2-5% that have been [B][I]proven[/I][/B] to be false Proof is a key word here. Its very difficult to prove a false accusation, as suggested before in this thread, nobody gets punished for a lack of physical evidence, just doesn't happen. Many studies have wildly varying figures based on methodology used. There are studies suggesting as low as 1%, there are studies suggesting as high as 40% in some cases, and everything in between. Literally: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape[/url] "DiCanio (1993) states that while researchers and prosecutors do not agree on the exact percentage of false allegations, they generally agree on a range of 2% to 8%.[18] Edward Greer (2000) estimates a much higher percentage of false accusations. Writing in the Law Review of Loyola of Los Angeles, Greer writes: "Despite the difficulties in measuring wrongful accusations, there is indirect data available that is highly suggestive that far more than two percent of rape accusations are false. In a significant fraction of instances, the accusers recant their charges; in others, where no formal recantation occurs but where rape may have occurred, there are good reasons to believe that the accusation must nevertheless be wrong about the identity of the assailant. One illustration of this phenomenon are the instances where DNA testing has determined that the man actually imprisoned for rape after trial was not the individual the victim claimed was the assailant."[19]" Its not as simple as going "welp they had no proof, so they're obviously lying. Rape accuser!!!"

oh boy if you like stupid conversations then do i have the thread for you. do you like to hear people complain about "sjws" (*wink and a nod* i don't know what that means either) apropos of nothing? do you like to hear people talk back and forth about how comparable rape and false rape accusations are? do you like it when people have arguments about statistics they just made up? don't miss this opportunity to say something stupid normal guy w/ reasonable opinions: "how did you get this number?"

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45398285]oh boy if you like stupid conversations then do i have the thread for you. do you like to hear people complain about "sjws" (*wink and a nod* i don't know what that means either) apropos of nothing? do you like to hear people talk back and forth about how comparable rape and false rape accusations are? do you like it when people have arguments about statistics they just made up? don't miss this opportunity to say something stupid normal guy w/ reasonable opinions: "how did you get this number?"[/QUOTE] Because what you're saying in this post contributes more to the conversation, right? Realistically though, discussing/debating the severity and frequency of false rape accusations seems appropriate in a thread about someone admitting to a false accusation. The SJW stuff is unnecessary, but the rest seems reasonable. Some people downplay it by saying that it doesn't happen often, but a false rape accusation is terrifying, and I can't blame people for wanting to discuss that. Like the article says, "I made up lies to get attention." That's something that I feel should be shamed, especially when it has the potential to ruin the life of the person being accused.

Give her the chair Seriously, people who lie about these sort of things are pure fucking evil No one should [B][I][U]EVER[/U][/I][/B] be falsely convicted You leave the system worse off then you were before hand, and your name is completely tarnished

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45397076]The problem is that even after the apology you have people thinking you are a rapist.[/QUOTE] And it doesn't get removed from your record.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45398517]And it doesn't get removed from your record.[/QUOTE] Can't you sue in that case? Having a false crime record should be a crime.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45398525]Can't you sue in that case? Having a false crime record should be a crime.[/QUOTE] It is a chargable offense, any false claim that wastes Emergency resources is a crime. Its a misdemeanor though.