'Protesting' at Australian Christmas Island Detention Centre - Polidicks

[url]http://www.3news.co.nz/world/protesting-at-christmas-island-detention-centre--davis-2015110907#axzz3qvQ27a88[/url] [quote] Riots have broken out at Australia's Christmas Island detention centre and asylum seekers have taken control, according to Labour's Kelvin Davis. Mr Davis says violence broke out after a guard allegedly punched a detainee in the face after he asked about the death of an Iranian refugee, days after he escaped from the centre. "The detention centre lights have been switched off, the detainees have torn down a fence between the segregated unit and the other units," he says. "I think they might be sitting out on the sports field together, that's the 501 detainees and the asylum seekers… basically as one. I believe some canisters have been fired into them but haven't gone off." Meanwhile, Australian correspondent Jason Morrison told the Paul Henry programme the story is yet to gain any traction in Australia, but will as the day goes on. "The only source we can find, that we'll call a primary source, is a New Zealand politician [Mr Davis] who's in fact jumped on Twitter and spread this story – there are no other indications, at this stage, that this has happened," he says. "It's very, very difficult to get any information about what's happening on Christmas Island, just by the very nature of it because I guess communications are things that inspire further activity so they kind of keep chatter to a minimum." [/quote] Any Australians hearing anything about this on their news wires?

I'm sensing a metric shit ton of deportations in the near future

Some more information I found on another news site. [quote]Ricky Downs, a New Zealander being held at the centre, confirmed to•One News•that the centre had been abandoned. "There's fires everywhere, holes in the wall and the canteen has been smashed to pieces," he said. "There's not security, there's no response team, there's not border control, no guards. "They've freaked out and left." Davis said the next step was to get a team over to the island to check on the wellbeing of New Zealand citizens.• About 40 New Zealanders are believed to be currently detained at the centre.[/quote]

[quote]Asylum seeker found dead after escaping Christmas Island detention centre[/quote] [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-08/asylum-seeker-who-escaped-christmas-island-dies/6922666[/url] Posted 6 hours ago.

[QUOTE=The Commander;49077096][url]http://www.3news.co.nz/world/protesting-at-christmas-island-detention-centre--davis-2015110907#axzz3qvQ27a88[/url] Any Australians hearing anything about this on their news wires?[/QUOTE] I haven't heard anything about it yet, however i'm glad this isn't on the mainland. Edit: [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-08/asylum-seeker-who-escaped-christmas-island-dies/6922666[/url]

Jesus fucking christ, Australia. You reap what you sow.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49078019]Jesus fucking christ, Australia. You reap what you sow.[/QUOTE] Explain yourself. Because that doesn't really help anyone.

Good, I hope they burn the fucking place to the ground

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49078019]Jesus fucking christ, Australia. You reap what you sow.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately this is only going to backfire for the people seeking asylum in Australia. They're going to have an excuse to ship them off somewhere else now.

Christmas Island Detention Center, who the hell came up with this prison's name?

[QUOTE=plokoon9619;49080872]Christmas Island Detention Center, who the hell came up with this prison's name?[/QUOTE] That's exactly what it is. A detention centre on the Australian (non-autonomous since July, much to the dismay of the residents) territory of Christmas Island.

[QUOTE=Aide;49077567][url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-08/asylum-seeker-who-escaped-christmas-island-dies/6922666[/url] Posted 6 hours ago.[/QUOTE] Yes, this is what apparently started the rioting. Well the trigger for it. Just noticed the story is on BBC News now.

I don't know who finds off shore detention to be a grand idea, and it doesn't help that both political parties support this shit vote greens lads

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49081741]I don't know who finds off shore detention to be a grand idea, and it doesn't help that both political parties support this shit vote greens lads[/QUOTE] Well, The reason why its off shore is because its to stop people from escaping. Originally. We had similar problems that Julia created when she acted the fool and begun dismalting things that worked and had been working. Now before then we had John Howard, he was facing similar problems so the laws were change making Christmas island no longer part of the country but a territory and meant that seekers would no longer be able to travel by boat there and set foot on Australia ground, Julia change it back to it being Australia ground and resulted in the death of over 2,000 men, women and children still hasn't been charged or imprisoned for that lack of judgment. Also. If we had a detention building here it and the person had escaped your odds of finding him would of been fairly low.

no one is illegal [editline]9th November 2015[/editline] also the kind of people who work in detention centres/border control tend to be sly racists so tbh i can see why they might be pissed off

Funny and typical... I'm starting to hear reports from Australian media that it was New Zealanders that incited the riots first. Why does that not surprise me that they would say that. This is essentially Australia's version of Guantanamo Bay. They also have more detention centres on the main land.

[QUOTE=Passing;49081950]Well, The reason why its off shore is because its to stop people from escaping. Originally. We had similar problems that Julia created when she acted the fool and begun dismalting things that worked and had been working. Now before then we had John Howard, he was facing similar problems so the laws were change making Christmas island no longer part of the country but a territory and meant that seekers would no longer be able to travel by boat there and set foot on Australia ground, Julia change it back to it being Australia ground and resulted in the death of over 2,000 men, women and children still hasn't been charged or imprisoned for that lack of judgment. Also. If we had a detention building here it and the person had escaped your odds of finding him would of been fairly low.[/QUOTE] I will not believe that Operation Sovereign Borders has resulted in 0 deaths at sea and 0 boat arrivals, it's an established fact that the Abbott/Turnbull government don't release numbers because it could breach cabinet confidentiality And the only reason people died at sea is because they wanted a chance to resettle, and if someone escapes a detention facility, what does it say about the conditions within? Close Nauru and Christmas Island honestly

For non-Australians wondering what this is like, imagine if the United States took all of their Mexican/Central American migrants and put them in Guantanamo Bay for an undisclosed period of time to make sure that they are "fit to be here".

[QUOTE=Passing;49078741]Explain yourself. Because that doesn't really help anyone.[/QUOTE] Based on the many allegations that have been made avout these detention facilities it's inevitable that rioting was going to occur sooner or later. The authorities brought it onto themselves.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49082879]For non-Australians wondering what this is like, imagine if the United States took all of their Mexican/Central American migrants and put them in Guantanamo Bay for an undisclosed period of time to make sure that they are "fit to be here".[/QUOTE] Exactly this, there has been New Zealanders living in Australia since they were 3 years old etc but didn't bother to get citizenship just stuck with the visa instead and now that they have changed these laws, if they get into any trouble with the law they are thrown straight into these detention centres. In reality they see themselves as Australians and have zero connections with New Zealand or their home country.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49082714]and if someone escapes a detention facility, what does it say about the conditions within[/QUOTE] That could mean anything from, They want to live in Australia and will escape to they are using us for medical experimentation. We don't know what's going on in there and we don't know what's going on in the mind of the person whom escaped. [QUOTE=fruxodaily;49082714]I will not believe that Operation Sovereign Borders has resulted in 0 deaths at sea and 0 boat arrivals[/QUOTE] Your completely right there have been deaths and boats however instead of allowing the situation to escalate like the previous government they tried to repair and contain the situation and prevent it from happening again this will mean that there will be a time of boats that would slowly lower until there are none. [QUOTE=GordonZombie;49083201]Based on the many allegations that have been made avout these detention facilities it's inevitable that rioting was going to occur sooner or later. The authorities brought it onto themselves.[/QUOTE] You are completely right, that happens with any facility. You want to get out and theses people are stopping you, so you riot or protest to achieve this goal.

[QUOTE=Passing;49083565] Your completely right there have been deaths and boats however instead of allowing the situation to escalate like the previous government they tried to repair and contain the situation and prevent it from happening again [b]this will mean that there will be a time of boats that would slowly lower until there are none.[b/][/QUOTE] The question you need to ask is is that a good or bad thing? And why? Your statement i presume presumes that an increase (escalation in your words) of people bartering their way onto boats and coming to australia is inherently a bad thing, and that very question of good/bad is what underpins the entire argument/methodology of asylum seeker policy, regardless of which party you support.

It is a bad thing when some of theses people whom we don't know who they are because they've destroyed their paper work are attempting to come to the country because we don't know who they are they could working for some nasty group just as they could be some randoms trying to make their way here. Regardless.. I think its just the correct way to enter a country is to file the paper work and wait the time for it to be accepted. Seriously, It only takes about six months in most cases to be accepted. Is it me or am i the bad guy for saying this?

[QUOTE=Passing;49085419]It is a bad thing when some of theses people whom we don't know who they are because they've destroyed their paper work are attempting to come to the country because we don't know who they are they could working for some nasty group just as they could be some randoms trying to make their way here. Regardless.. I think its just the correct way to enter a country is to file the paper work and wait the time for it to be accepted. Seriously, It only takes about six months in most cases to be accepted. Is it me or am i the bad guy for saying this?[/QUOTE] I'd believe individuals who fit that description exist, and try to do so, but do you believe that's 100% of all asylum seekers? People who destroy their paperwork in order to conduct nefarious deeds within australia? Surely there's others who have no access to an airport, cars maybe destroyed by riots/governmental control, certain smugglers who ask as a requirement to destroy all paperwork or else no trip perhaps? People who have had businesses tank because of others fleeing the area, forcing them to find prosperity elsewhere. Maybe people who are in a certain place, with every direction in sight containing the possibility of being robbed, no jobs/opportunities, or death awaiting for them. Maybe it's not so bad, but bad enough to consider making a trip across massive swathes of ocean in a boat you know isn't top-notch. But some are probably very desperate. SO many different situations certain individuals/families can find themselves in outside of a sheltered western country, strife isn't always so strickly monetary in other parts of the world. We can't really know to be honest, without some body or government individually screening and assessing each case. But to me it seems that blanket-locking people up within a prison compound with no time limit on being held there is judging them guilty until they can prove themselves innocent of not being a part of "nasty groups", while inside a place that gives them no chance to prove said innocence. I've heard decent counter-arguments against asylum seeker's being housed in australia, notably from my brother's friend's dad; a veteran who's struggled financially his entire life and wholeheartedly believes that as long as there exists a single australian citizen who is homeless/in poverty, that said house should be given to them before anyone arriving here without buying their way in via a visa/paperwork gets one. It's a decent argument, and touches on far darker problems with our economy, opportunities and social divides. I dont think there is an ideal/best solution here. Most if not all european countries deal with ~1000% more refugees than we do and do so quite readily; It might not be straight up the right decision to emulate them but it can be done with far less resources than Australia as a whole can use. A controlled lack of information about who exists within Naruu & Christmas Island's walls and "On-Water Operational Matters" is what cuts out the average citizen from ever being able to morally and intelligently make up their minds of whether they think current detention centers are moral or needed, and that is most abhorrent about it all.

You are aware that the majority of these people are not asylum seekers and have been living in Australia for ages right? It's because of a new law change that these people are getting put into these detention centres.

Meanwhile, this just happened in NZ parliament as a result of the whole thing: [vid]https://assets.stuff.co.nz/video/production/1447130703337-Backing%20rapists%20v4.mp4[/vid] This whole thing's gone 100% fucked.

Just another day in parliament...

[QUOTE=Pilotguy97;49088699]Meanwhile, this just happened in NZ parliament as a result of the whole thing: [vid]https://assets.stuff.co.nz/video/production/1447130703337-Backing%20rapists%20v4.mp4[/vid] This whole thing's gone 100% fucked.[/QUOTE] this makes the US house look organized dear god what a complete utter mess

[QUOTE=Pilotguy97;49088699]Meanwhile, this just happened in NZ parliament as a result of the whole thing: [vid]https://assets.stuff.co.nz/video/production/1447130703337-Backing%20rapists%20v4.mp4[/vid] This whole thing's gone 100% fucked.[/QUOTE] lmfao what the fuck, it's almost like the National Party in New Zealand are puppets for the LNP

[QUOTE=da space core;49088915]this makes the US house look organized dear god what a complete utter mess[/QUOTE] The NZ parliament is always cause for a good laugh whenever I watch them.