• US and Russia agree Syria peace plan after intensive talks
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[QUOTE]Russia and the US have agreed to a "cessation of hostilities" in Syria from sunset on 12 September after intensive talks in Geneva. Under the plan, the Syrian government will end combat missions in specified areas held by the opposition. Russia and the US will establish a joint centre to combat so-called Islamic State and al-Nusra fighters. The plan follows a day of talks between US Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov. The plan would need both the regime and opposition "to meet their obligations", Mr Kerry said. The opposition had indicated it was prepared to comply with the plan, he said, provided the Syrian government "shows it is serious". Mr Lavrov said Russia had informed the Syrian government about the arrangements and the Syrian government was "ready to fulfil them". "The cessation of hostilities requires access to all besieged and hard-to-reach areas, including Aleppo", Mr Kerry said, so that humanitarian access can be granted to besieged eastern parts of the city.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37324872[/url]
Its all paper. Someone is going to shoot someone and we'll be back at square one.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51025489]Its all paper. Someone is going to shoot someone and we'll be back at square one.[/QUOTE] US and Russia are talking, nobody's going to shoot anyone because we weren't shooting each other in the first place and aside from an accident in WW2 and a short air war in Korea, we never have. [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51025542]Oh you meant the rebels. Yeah they'll probably keep fighting. It's all they know how to do.[/QUOTE]
We should just fuck each other already and get it over with
Oh you meant the rebels. Yeah they'll probably keep fighting. It's all they know how to do.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51025539]US and Russia are talking, nobody's going to shoot anyone because we weren't shooting each other in the first place and aside from an accident in WW2 and a short air war in Korea, we never have.[/QUOTE] I don't think that's what he means, he means the opposition will shoot at some SAA soldiers or vice-versa and it'll just fall apart.
I doubt the rebels nor even the loyalists will be organized enough to not break any cease-fire agreement.
The only way this conflict will ever end is with the eradication of ISIS military capability, removing Assad from power and establishing a new government that in a few decades won't do the same shit that caused all of this in the first place. You let Assad stay and in time the same shit will happen again when Arabs want democratic reform.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51025660]The only way this conflict will ever end is with the eradication of ISIS military capability, removing Assad from power and establishing a new government that in a few decades won't do the same shit that caused all of this in the first place. You let Assad stay and in time the same shit will happen again when Arabs want democratic reform.[/QUOTE] ISIS is clearly a group pushing for democratic reform.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51025660]The only way this conflict will ever end is with the eradication of ISIS military capability, removing Assad from power and establishing a new government that in a few decades won't do the same shit that caused all of this in the first place. You let Assad stay and in time the same shit will happen again when Arabs want democratic reform.[/QUOTE] So what you mean is the only way for this to end is if all parties involved are completely killed off. Things are not looking bright.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51025660]The only way this conflict will ever end is with the eradication of ISIS military capability, removing Assad from power and establishing a new government that in a few decades won't do the same shit that caused all of this in the first place. You let Assad stay and in time the same shit will happen again when Arabs want democratic reform.[/QUOTE] The problem is that we have no real way to guarantee a new democratic government would stay democratic, friendly to the west, or even cohesive. Another problem is that Assad is essentially under Russian protection and both he and Putin have called Obama's bluff. I don't see how these peace talks, if they last, will conclude with anything other than Assad remaining in power.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51025660]The only way this conflict will ever end is with the eradication of ISIS military capability, removing Assad from power and establishing a new government that in a few decades won't do the same shit that caused all of this in the first place. You let Assad stay and in time the same shit will happen again when Arabs want democratic reform.[/QUOTE] ultimately, balkinisation may be the only thing to finally fix thus, one that is backed by the military might of the west and local governments so assad doesnt roll in and take them down 1 by 1
[QUOTE=Sableye;51025820]ultimately, balkinisation may be the only thing to finally fix thus, one that is backed by the military might of the west and local governments so assad doesnt roll in and take them down 1 by 1[/QUOTE] Problem with that is we'd have to topple every government in the region. Nothing like a bit of World War 3 to stabilize the region...
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51026309]Problem with that is we'd have to topple every government in the region. Nothing like a bit of World War 3 to stabilize the region...[/QUOTE] ya thats the issue. the syrian government will never be able to stabalise syria unless something as big as a soviet fall level shakeup happened, and the kurds will not want to go back to being bossed around by iraqis in the south after stitching the country back together. Turkey will fight tooth and nail against a kurd state, and iran and the saudis will form proxy factions in whatever's left. the whole place isn't ever going to stabalise at any rate
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51026145][media]https://twitter.com/LovedayM/status/774371547016343552[/media] Rebels get to choose between being illegitimate with competent fighters (al-Nusra/al-Sham), or being legitimate with incompetent fighters.[/QUOTE] I'd be totally fine if the FSA refused this and then the YPG/PYD/SDF became the only legitimate opposition.
I'm sure this will go as well as the "ceasefires" in Ukraine
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51025660]The only way this conflict will ever end is with the eradication of ISIS military capability, removing Assad from power and establishing a new government that in a few decades won't do the same shit that caused all of this in the first place. You let Assad stay and in time the same shit will happen again when Arabs want democratic reform.[/QUOTE] Remove Assad, like everyone said, just as easy as removing Saddam right?
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;51026965]Remove Assad, like everyone said, just as easy as removing Saddam right?[/QUOTE] Throw in the fact that Russia has a vested interest in keeping Assad alive and in power
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;51026965]Remove Assad, like everyone said, just as easy as removing Saddam right?[/QUOTE] For some reason I remember this post [QUOTE=Raidyr;45642418]It's a two step plan though 1) Remove ISIS 2) Insert democracy See, easy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51026551]I'd be totally fine if the FSA refused this and then the YPG/PYD/SDF became the only legitimate opposition.[/QUOTE] Half the FSA are scumbags anyway, I don't know if they can "refuse" it without creating two more warring sub-factions.
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