North Korea seriously considering strike on Guam: Reports, citing state media - Polidicks

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/08/north-korea-seriously-considering-strike-on-guam-reports-citing-state-media.html[/url] [QUOTE] North Korea said on Wednesday it is "carefully examining" a plan to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles, just hours after U.S. President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury". A spokesman for the Korean People's Army, in a statement carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, said the strike plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment" once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision. In another statement citing a different military spokesman, North Korea also said it could carry out a pre-emptive operation if the United States showed signs of provocation. Earlier Pyongyang said it was ready to give Washington a "severe lesson" with its strategic nuclear force in response to any U.S. military action. Washington has warned it is ready to use force if need be to stop North Korea's ballistic missile and nuclear programs but that it prefers global diplomatic action, including sanctions. The consequences of any U.S. strike would potentially be catastrophic not only for North Koreans but also South Korea, Japan and the thousands of U.S. military personnel within range of any North Korean retaliatory strikes. [/QUOTE] I'll check back every 5 minutes and update O.P. as much as I can. [media]https://www.twitter.com/sangwonyoon/status/895042446433955842[/media]

Let's just hope it's yet more fuss and bluster. But at this point, reducing Pyongyang to rubble is probably not a matter of "should we" anymore. It's a matter of when, and how to minimize any damage to everything around the Korean Peninsula.

Holy Christ Trump, please stop talking before you further escalate things. Jesus Christ.

Is it just me, or did shit really blow up today?

[QUOTE=myon;52552576]Is it just me, or did shit really blow up today?[/QUOTE] Let's just hope the August of '17 doesn't become a month that lives in infamy.

[QUOTE=myon;52552576]Is it just me, or did shit really blow up today?[/QUOTE] God, no kidding. Talk about going from 0 to 100 in seconds. (Well, okay, I would not say we were previously at "0" but you get the idea)

[QUOTE=myon;52552576]Is it just me, or did shit really blow up today?[/QUOTE] Mostly because they just woke up to Trump's angry moaning. It is a good pretext to make their own noise.

[QUOTE=myon;52552576]Is it just me, or did shit really blow up today?[/QUOTE] This is what happens when you have two countries ruled by naive, angry, blustering (wannabe-)dictators backed by cults of machismo. Neither of them can back down, because that would be "showing weakness" and their base would eat them alive. They can't admit that the other isn't a threat, because they stay in power by keeping their base scared of the other. And they can't try to find a compromise that would let both count it as a victory, because they're unable to conceive of a non-zero-sum situation. Basically, our best hope right now is that China will either intervene and bring Kim to heel themselves, or that they'll give up and let us flatten everything between the DMZ and the Chinese border with nothing more than a strongly-worded letter in way of protest.

The sooner Trump's out, the better. When NK's posturing, the States needs a coolheaded, intelligent leader in charge.

[QUOTE]A spokesman for the Korean People's Army, in a statement carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, [B]said the strike plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment" once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.[/B][/QUOTE] :worried: This was added as an update after the tweet.

I guess we get to find out whether Kim Jong-Un is really smart or really fucking stupid.

You've got two hot headed leaders which is just the perfect brew for shit to go above and beyond the roof. I hate to sound like an idiot but I'm a smidge scared

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52552705]You've got two hot headed leaders which is just the perfect brew for shit to go above and beyond the roof. I hate to sound like an idiot but I'm a smidge scared[/QUOTE] In these circumstances, you aren't an idiot for being scared. Expecting Kim Jong Un and Donald "Why Can't We Use The Nukes If We Have Them" Trump to be level headed isn't exactly a safe bet at this point with how rhetoric is rapidly escalating between both sides on short notice.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52552729]In these circumstances, you aren't an idiot for being scared. Expecting Kim Jong Un and Donald "Why Can't We Use The Nukes If We Have Them" Trump to be level headed isn't exactly a safe bet at this point with how rhetoric is rapidly escalating between both sides on short notice.[/QUOTE] I'm just hoping to god the Mattis stomps his foot down in these meetings in the situation room and tells him the astronomical consequences to nuclear weapons and if we have to go to war just use standard missiles and rockets. We drop a nuke on Pyongyang and we'll kill millions of innocent people and nobody wants that.

I feel sorry for all the South Korean's about to be thrown under the bus over some megalomaniacal dick waving.

[QUOTE=archangel125;52552615]The sooner Trump's out, the better. When NK's posturing, the States needs a coolheaded, intelligent leader in charge.[/QUOTE] Not saying it's a good thing Trump is at the helm during this time but it's worth noting that the solution from every "coolheaded" leader thus far has been "do nothing and hope they just keep to themselves".

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52552751]Not saying it's a good thing Trump is at the helm during this time but it's worth noting the the solution from every "coolheaded" leader thus far has been "do nothing and hope they just keep to themselves".[/QUOTE] What's your solution?

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52552751]Not saying it's a good thing Trump is at the helm during this time but it's worth noting the the solution from every "coolheaded" leader thus far has been "do nothing and hope they just keep to themselves".[/QUOTE] Maybe you don't know whats at stake for SK if ANYTHING happens, fucking easy for you to say with your experience of the wars that have happened lately, which have essentially been us blowing up untrained brainwashed farmers from a mile in the sky. This will be catastrophic if it escalates, this war should not happen, a new government is needed in both the US and NK for the sake of the rest of the god damn world.

Well, can't remember the Korea-situation being this hot since North Korea bombed that South Korean town a few years back.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52552751]Not saying it's a good thing Trump is at the helm during this time but it's worth noting the the solution from every "coolheaded" leader thus far has been "do nothing and hope they just keep to themselves".[/QUOTE] The North Korea problem is unsolvable without either changing international political climes or a deadly war. Assuming you don't want a war, the best option is just to wait it out. Sooner or later, either China's power will collapse to the point that they can't provide protection to North Korea, America's power will collapse to the point that we can't provide protection to South Korea, or politics within both Koreas will simultaneously swing towards peaceful reunification and rejection of foreign alliances. #3 seems unlikely, since even the democratic South rarely seems to support that idea, but it's possible. Other than that, it's best just to wait until either China stops being a regional superpower, or America stops being an international superpower. Might take a few decades, even centuries, but if you can't play the long game, you're not the right person to lead a country. So the strat is to keep the Koreas contained (remember, China is worried about a South Korean advance). So all we have to do is not antagonize NK to the point that they'll have a revolution if King Kim doesn't push the button, while still making it impossible for him to think he could get away with a first strike. It's worked well enough. Not great - stopping NK from getting nukes would have been great - but there hasn't been much violence since the armistice, all things considered.

if china weakens russia picks up the slack as has been the case in north korean politics since 1945. you can't just starve them out as long as one of those two nations sees the benefit of a buffer state.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;52552831]The North Korea problem is unsolvable without either changing international political climes or a deadly war. Assuming you don't want a war, the best option is just to wait it out. Sooner or later, either China's power will collapse to the point that they can't provide protection to North Korea, America's power will collapse to the point that we can't provide protection to South Korea, or politics within both Koreas will simultaneously swing towards peaceful reunification and rejection of foreign alliances. #3 seems unlikely, since even the democratic South rarely seems to support that idea, but it's possible. Other than that, it's best just to wait until either China stops being a regional superpower, or America stops being an international superpower. Might take a few decades, even centuries, but if you can't play the long game, you're not the right person to lead a country. So the strat is to keep the Koreas contained (remember, China is worried about a South Korean advance). So all we have to do is not antagonize NK to the point that they'll have a revolution if King Kim doesn't push the button, while still making it impossible for him to think he could get away with a first strike. It's worked well enough. Not great - stopping NK from getting nukes would have been great - but there hasn't been much violence since the armistice, all things considered.[/QUOTE] One of the shitty parts about waiting is that the longer we wait, weeks, months, years, decades, the longer the people in North Korea are subjected to [I]at best[/I] a tyrannical government that affects their day to day lives, and [I]at worst[/I], grave suffering, rape, infanticide and death for generations.

My brother was just stationed there for two years, left right on time.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52552822]Being pragmatic about the whole thing, and understanding that casualties are going to happen? Strikes on nork border to reduce threat of artillery, allow counter battery fire to take out the rest, strike manufacturing areas and army depots, target nuclear production facilities with ground penetrating ordinance (if need be), destroy sources of income for the regime (IE drug production, mining, etc etc). Trying to force regime change will only result in yet more casualties, therefore the name of these strikes would not be to force the nork's to capitulate, but instead destroy their ability to wage war. That way we can go back to laughing at an impotent state, instead of having to deal with a nuclear armed nation. The time for "oh just sit back and they'll chill out" is over. China isn't going to enforce sanctions, neither is Russia, you're only going to stop them through force at this point. Delaying application of force is only going to increase the number of targets that we must destroy, and therefore is only going to increase the number of casualties on both sides of the conflict.[/QUOTE] So you want to strike fist and attempt to cripple the country and send it into chaos, virtually guaranteeing they have nothing to lose by nuking us? Sorry but I think that is the absolute worst decision possible. There is no half-measure "let's just bomb them and hope it works out" strategy. What happens after? Now you've given North Korea a legitimate reason to fight the United States and have made them a permanent enemy so long as they exist. Either go all the way or don't. Are we going to bomb them again when they rebuild their stocks? How long will such a mad policy go on? Meanwhile, what about the citizens of North Korea who are going to suffer even more? North Korea has zero reason to attack the United States unprovoked.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52552571]Holy Christ Trump, please stop talking before you further escalate things. Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE] I really hate Trump, but the blame here rests solely on NK's government. They could have sat in their crumbling country, keeping to themselves or even improving the place instead of investing who knows how much money and manpower into their massive military and nuclear weapons programs, all the while pointlessly antagonizing the western world. I mean, they've even managed to piss off China's government with their stupidity.

[QUOTE=Craptasket;52552926]My brother was just stationed there for two years, left right on time.[/QUOTE] Sorry to say, if anything happens, he will be one of the first to go back as he has had the training in that environment.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52552938]So you want to strike fist and attempt to cripple the country and send it into chaos, virtually guaranteeing they have nothing to lose by nuking us? Sorry but I think that is the absolute worst decision possible. There is no half-measure "let's just bomb them and hope it works out" strategy. What happens after? Now you've given North Korea a legitimate reason to fight the United States and have made them a permanent enemy so long as they exist. Either go all the way or don't. Are we going to bomb them again when they rebuild their stocks? How long will such a mad policy go on? Meanwhile, what about the citizens of North Korea who are going to suffer even more? North Korea has zero reason to attack the United States unprovoked.[/QUOTE] If we strike North Korea you can rest assured it will be followed up by ground force invasion and eventual capitulation of the regime.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;52552970]If we strike North Korea you can rest assured it will be followed up by ground force invasion and eventual capitulation of the regime.[/QUOTE] I fully believe that is what the US would do which is why it's a really bad idea.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52552938]North Korea has zero reason to attack the United States unprovoked.[/QUOTE] NK has zero reason to have been antagonizing the west for the past however many years. NK has zero reason to spend vast amount of very limited resources maintaining a massive military and nuclear weapons program. NK still does this things. Heck, Hitler had zero reason to carry out the Holocaust, but he did. Stalin had zero reason to do the Great Purge, but he did. Not everyone in a position of power will act in a way you would consider rational, stop assuming they will.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52552938]North Korea has zero reason to attack the United States unprovoked.[/QUOTE] North Korea has zero reason.