Education is retarded.
Our system, The US's system I mean, is Terrible.
Lets do a breakdown.
Education in the united states consists of Elementary school. You learn to share, speak, comprehend language, write, do basic math, and get the basic social skills you need for life.
Middle school, You learn more complex math and writing, you learn about homework and hell, you learn about drugs and drinking and how it kills, you get prepared for High school.
High school you learn more complex everything, branch of into more specific forms of science and math and language, get prepared for college.
College is the only Worthwhile form of schooling, aside from elementary, more on this later.
The shit storm starts in middle school. History, in general. Important. Very important. more basic algebra math, Very important, everyone will use this regardless of professions.
Literature and Writing. Uselessness begins.. so Yeah, Grammar is very important, we want to sound educated, and sentence structure and spelling are all important. However essay formats are where the retardation starts. You learn in middle school about Claim data commentary, MLA, Chicago Style writing, 3 paragraph, 5 paragraph, intro, and conclusion.
ALL of this. Relatively useless. WHEN in life will we ever need to sit down and write a paper in MLA format for the general public/boss. News paper writers all write how they please, as many paragraphs as it takes. They give a shit about structure.
Public speakers write in their own style of writing. They don't give a shit.
NO ONE. GIVES. A SHIT. about specific paragraph styles! Why do we waste MONTHS of time learning and practicing writing this useless garbage of a skill. The MONTHS that we learn this in our classes, is HOURS of time students lose learning things THEY want to learn and will find important. THE HOURS of time students spend at home finishing the essays for this class, are USELESS! The Time we waste is just that, wasted time.
Moving on to 8th grade and Up.
8th grade homework hits hard. Specifically in math. Let me refresh your 8th grade year in math. You learn a topic, you go home do 40+ problems and turn that in the next day. It doesn't matter if you understand this 100% after 5 problems, after 10, or after 20. YOU MUST COMPLETE THE ENTIRE SHEET. its a good thing grades mean nothing in middle school, or you kids who didn't do this useless homework would start getting fucked over early on.
School isn't personal enough. When I get a topic and can prove it after 5 problems, Fuck the other 35 that is a waste of productive time. that extra half hour I could be using learning more advanced math, and getting ahead of the class another day, or 2 days, or week, or weeks, or months, all building up.
I estimate by the 12th grade, if I could have taken the math classes I was ready for, and skipped the useless shit they teach you( proofs, anyone? ) I could have gone past calculus, instead, I was stuck at fucking pre-calc/Calc.
I want to be an engineer. Why am i wasting my precious school time learning about how plants fucking reproduce. I could give a shit about cell walls, endoplasmic reticulum, and Golgi Apparatus'. That shit is so useless to the rest of my life. I learn that for two reasons. To Get an A in the class to show colleges Im ready, and to forget when I'm done with it.
2 semesters of Life and earth and space sciences could have been used towards a robots class, an engineering class, another chemistry class, or hell. Some Electrical Engineering pre-requisites. Something that leads me to my future career.
I could go ON. and ON. about the most useless topics and time wasted in school. Or I can just say, Hey FP. Debate.
Is the shit we learn in our US education system totally useful, mostly useful, or useless. Tell me what, and why.
TLDR: The Education system in the United states ( not sure if anywhere else) is not personal enough. We learn many things to simply take up time in the day that we COULD be using to further our knowledge in the fields of education we would prefer to learn.
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Almost got enough Boxes for a fort. Keep em coming
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[B]ALL of this. Relatively useless. WHEN in life will we ever need to sit down and write a paper in MLA format for the general public/boss. News paper writers all write how they please, as many paragraphs as it takes. They give a shit about structure.[/B][/QUOTE]
Research papers.
It's part of human nature to have arguments, schools teach you to have a logical argument, something you lack.
Even if you aren't interested in writing or English people have arguments on a regular basis like we are having now, and yet you have a bunch of single sentence paragraphs and incomplete thoughts.
For someone interested in English or Music or Sports, why do they have to take science/math at all?
Well, because knowing a lot about a large number of areas makes you a more well-rounded person, and certain things might peak your interest in unexpected areas.
Science class teaches you not to mix chlorine and bleach or leave your dick in a strong acid. Logical things for everyday use.
Another thing, on the topic of science/math, there are basically two types of science, pure and applied. Pure involves things like proofs, testing theories, research papers, etc. Applied would be like engineering, taking laws and knowledge we have and applying them to real life for the betterment of society/for your paycheck.
Proofs are very important because you understand the concepts behind the things you are doing. Even if you are an engineer it's important you know what the fuck you're doing. It's not like you just put x and y together, and expect it to work perfectly.
Proofs teach you the basic math behind everything, calculus proofs are a bitch, we don't have to know them for the calculus class I'm taking, but we do them everyday, and it's expected we know what the hell to do.
Also, you think your system is retarded? In Canada we don't get to write SATs, there's no standardized test we take to get into university. Basically our chance of getting anywhere in life depends on how much our teacher likes us, and how well he expects the class to do, not how much we know compared to people at other schools.
what are you talking about
8th grade was easy as hell I wish I could go back to being an 8th grader
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Uh Oh, looks like your in the hot seat. The question is, how do plants reproduce? Fucked now arnt cha?
It's up to you to promote yourself through the country's education, no matter how cruddy or shitty it may be. Only YOU are responsible, in the end, for your education. You can't bitch that you didn't get a job because the country didn't give you an education. They tried, as shitty as it may be. Take that shit and make the most of it. It's what I did, doing and will continue to do.
Best get used to writing in a set format if you want to get into engineering / any science.
Just remember to disregard everything the teachers tell you until you get into college.
That's what everyone else does.
I want to convert to North Korea's school system. School all year round! :eng101:
I'm in 8th right now and I don't get shit for homework.
Q: When will we ever need MLA / specific writing skills / SAT prep / etc...
A: Like you said, college. College is pretty much just 2 years of review, then two or more years into your field of work, you need the skills you learned throughout your education to succeed in college.
Q: Why am I learning this useless shit? This isn't what I want to learn!
A: You learn the useless shit so that you are informed about general knowledge. Yes, it's unlikely that someone will walk up to you and ask what a mitochondria is, but a lot of the stuff we learn in school helps influence the career choices of a lot of the kids there.
Q: Why does the education system suck so much compared to others?
A: I'll admit, the schools are a little slow to market when it comes to education. The common methodology of teaching in the U.S curriculum is to spend the first semester refreshing what you forgot over the summer, while the second semester is spent adding onto the topics or starting new ones. I'm not exactly sure about other systems but I'm sure that they go a lot faster due to their lack of a three month summer holiday with little need to be refreshed on what they already know.
This wouldn't be such a big problem, but the fact is, it's making us stupider.
It seems like he is bitching about having a lot of homework.
1. School is about teaching people to learn. People are better off knowing how to learn rather than learning a set number of skills to use for the rest of their life. The lessons in school are there as exorcises.
2. The school system is set up to break down the individual will power of each student coming into the world. It's set that way to try and prevent them from overpowering the last generation. But as you can tell is that the world of yesterday is eventually broken; But through centuries and centuries.
3. Learning to write essays in a specific structure develops and shows your ability to follow orders. If you can do something the exact way they've told you, you're learning a vital skill for once you join a career.
4. Writing responses to essay prompts can additionally give the student an idea of what people think. It can help expand their view and make better choices throughout their life.
There's a number of ways you can break it down to what it actually means.
OP is an angsty 12 year old who thinks his opinion about the school system matters.
hi im 12 i dont understand OP because i was educated in america
[QUOTE=Neckbeard;20641677]OP is an angsty 12 year old who thinks his opinion about the school system matters.[/QUOTE]
This guy.
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Uh buddy, ever stop and think that there might just be some more to life than your career?
"Lol fuck bio n shit only engineering and math and basic reading"
Well that's great no music/art/anything else for you.
Basically you're supporting becoming mindless workers who can only converse amongst others of the same profession.
You're so naive.
Ever stop to think about the cultural, social, and political ramifications about ANYTHING?
Op does not get the first concept of math...You only understand the lesson when you do all the anomalies. There are millions of anomalies ergo you do lots of math homework. I do all my calculus questions regardless of whether I seem to understand it or not.
you want to be an engineer but sometimes shit doesn't go out as planned
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what are you going to do then?
[QUOTE=stanm;20641766]you want to be an engineer but sometimes shit doesn't go out as planned
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what are you going to do then?[/QUOTE]
Be a Liberal Arts Major.
Other countries send their children especially to the U.S. because of our education system.
I don't think the OP is in High School, which is easy as hell. I sucked in Junior High.
"so Yeah, Grammar is very important, we want to sound educated, and sentence structure and spelling are all important."
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I think OP is 12
The entire educational system failed because you don't like the things you learn in school? Hi-five brah.
"skip the useless shit they teach"
There's your problem. Nothing they teach you is wrong.
You're a middle schooler on a rage because your grades are low and it shows.
Sit down.
[QUOTE=Neckbeard;20641781]Be a Liberal Arts Major.[/QUOTE]
But he blew that off because it didn't fit with him.
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