Obama signs executive order that gives him the ability to sanction Russian financial services, energ - Polidicks

[QUOTE]President Obama signed a new executive order giving the U.S. the power to sanction Russian companies in the financial services, energy, metals and mining, defense and engineering industries. If there is escalation, these key sectors will be in play for sanctions," a senior U.S. administration official said. Moscow retaliated by barring nine U.S. lawmakers, including Senator John McCain and House Speaker John Boehner, from entering Russia. The new U.S. order was prompted by concerns in Washington that Russia is trying to exert pressure on Ukraine by military, political and economic means, the official said.[/QUOTE] [url]http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/20/news/economy/russia-us-sanctions/index.html?hpt=hp_t2[/url]

Can uhh.. can we do that?

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44302696]Can uhh.. can we do that?[/QUOTE] Less "we", more "he". Congress already has and has had the ability to regulate trade with foreign nations, but this being the President and an Executive Order I'm thinking it's iffy. I don't know why he just didn't propose it to Congress, they wouldn't turn it down at this point.

It's easier and faster to sign an executive order than pushing legislation through congress, especially when they won't fight you on it.

Relationships between the US and Russia seem to becoming more and more sour as the days go on.

[QUOTE=Killer900;44303187]Relationships between the US and Russia seem to becoming more and more sour as the days go on.[/QUOTE] I think moreso between the US and Russian Government, and some of it's people. If Gudman and Ezhik are good examples of Russians done with Putin's shit.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44302696]Can uhh.. can we do that?[/QUOTE] In all technicality; Kind of. EO's are supposed to enforce current legislation, not create new ones. Obongo is riding the fine line of that. What this EO basically means is that they can stop the import of Russian arms and ammunition into the US civilian market. Good for the US firearms industry, bad for the US firearms owners.

usa sanctioning russia will hurt usa more than it hurts russia, because russia imports double the products from america then it exports to america

Can we take a moment to appreciate Gudman and Ezhik for putting up with Putin's crap? You two are awesome.

[QUOTE=Stroma;44303273]usa sanctioning russia will hurt usa more than it hurts russia, because russia imports double the products from america then it exports to america[/QUOTE] Yet we hardly rely on any of Russia's imports. Canada gives us a shitton of oil and we have much larger trade partners compared to Russia. And I won't be surprised if Russian industries rely on American ones.

I'm fairly certain McCain doesn't want to be anywhere near Russia anyway...

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44303277]Can we take a moment to appreciate Gudman and Ezhik for putting up with Putin's crap? You two are awesome.[/QUOTE] These kind of drama queens in these threads are the worst. 10$ says that neither you or them will be severely affected by any current events.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44303277]Can we take a moment to appreciate Gudman and Ezhik for putting up with Putin's crap? You two are awesome.[/QUOTE] lmao, those two aren't the only two people in Russia and theres literally nothing they could do about the Crimea situation anyways. It's like giving kudos to someone in Japan for putting up with NK's bullshit.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;44303602]Yet we hardly rely on any of Russia's imports. Canada gives us a shitton of oil and we have much larger trade partners compared to Russia. And I won't be surprised if Russian industries rely on American ones.[/QUOTE] Oil is a non-factor. North America has more oil in the ground than the majority of the world combined, something everyone everywhere is woefully ignorant of for some unfathomable reason. The US imports vital resources like oil because it's better to weaken other nations by sucking up their finite resources, leaving the US untapped in the event of global collapse and/or war.

[QUOTE=Sand^;44303134]It's easier and faster to sign an executive order than pushing legislation through congress, especially when they won't fight you on it.[/QUOTE] Sets a pretty dangerous precedent.

to be fair, folks have to remember obama has to deal with one of the most whiny useless congress ever. plus, folks are also complaining he is "weak", i suppose this is also a PR move.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44304275]to be fair, folks have to remember obama has to deal with one of the most whiny useless congress ever. plus, folks are also complaining he is "weak", i suppose this is also a PR move.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that Obama has the congress' full support on this one. IF there's ever been something that the Republicans and Democrats could agree on, it's that Russia is the bad guy.

[QUOTE=Tark;44302965]Less "we", more "he". Congress already has and has had the ability to regulate trade with foreign nations, but this being the President and an Executive Order I'm thinking it's iffy. I don't know why he just didn't propose it to Congress, they wouldn't turn it down at this point.[/QUOTE] If its dead certain to go through its probably easier just to skip it and just make it a thing straight away. Speed is kind of an important thing in these matters, he needs to be able to react within hours of things happening with sanctions (like the rest of the world is doing) if they are going to mean anything.

[QUOTE=Explosions;44304302]I'm pretty sure that Obama has the congress' full support on this one. IF there's ever been something that the Republicans and Democrats could agree on, it's that Russia is the bad guy.[/QUOTE] The shitty thing is it's more Putin that's the enemy than Russia. I'm sure lots of Russian civilians hate what he's doing too

[QUOTE=Elspin;44304402]The shitty thing is it's more Putin that's the enemy than Russia. I'm sure lots of Russian civilians hate what he's doing too[/QUOTE]Not many, most of the Russian population is brainwashed into believing Putin is doing the right thing.

[QUOTE=Elspin;44304402]The shitty thing is it's more Putin that's the enemy than Russia. I'm sure lots of Russian civilians hate what he's doing too[/QUOTE] Putin has a much higher approval rate than Obama. Which probably has a lot to do with the way media is run in Russia, but still.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44303215]EO's are supposed to enforce current legislation, not create new ones. [B]Obongo [/B]is riding the fine line of that.[/QUOTE] Why do you think that's a good way to refer to the president?

Republicans will jump on board to hurt Russia and large chunks of democrats will follow him just because Obama is a democrat, executive order is just gonna get this going quicker.

Putin is doing the right thing, he is defending the Russians living in Crimea and doing things America has already done in the international scene by America.

[QUOTE=Tark;44302965]Less "we", more "he". Congress already has and has had the ability to regulate trade with foreign nations, but this being the President and an Executive Order I'm thinking it's iffy. I don't know why he just didn't propose it to Congress, they wouldn't turn it down at this point.[/QUOTE] [quote]I don't know why he just didn't propose it to Congress, they wouldn't turn it down at this point.[/quote] There is the possibility/probability the Tea Party/far-right members would've caused a scene simply to try and make Obama look weak, while in reality making the US look completely impotent and incompetent. Congress is sort of shit right now.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44303215]In all technicality; Kind of. EO's are supposed to enforce current legislation, not create new ones. [B]Obongo[/B] is riding the fine line of that. [/QUOTE] You can't show a little respect? Granted this is the internet and people will always be anonymous, but really? Obongo? Every time someone says that just make them sound ridiculously stupid.

So basically the US is reacting to Russia's non-violent acquisition of Crimea by giving itself a dictator. You guys are bonkers

[QUOTE=Sand^;44303134]It's easier and faster to sign an executive order than pushing legislation through congress, especially when they won't fight you on it.[/QUOTE] Which completely defies the purpose of Congress altogether.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;44304718]Russia's non-violent acquisition of Crimea[/QUOTE] this is not true though even if it was, in fact, non violent, itd be stupid not to react to a country forcibly taking another country's land

You guys treat executive orders like a 'fuck you I do what I want' credit card. The Supreme Court can still shoot down executive orders. Not to mention that all executive orders still have to fall under the constitution.