European Union migrants add £20bn to the British economy – in just a decade - Polidicks

[quote]Highly skilled migrant workers from the European Union have provided a £20bn boost to Britain’s finances over a decade by paying far more in taxes than they claim in benefits, fresh research discloses today. The figures emerged after the Liberal Democrat minister Norman Baker resigned from Government, accusing his Conservative colleagues of failing to pursue “rational evidence-based policy”. He also told The Independent that the Tories were “rather obsessed” with immigration and protested that the Liberal Democrats were treated as “a cuckoo in the nest” by the Home Secretary, Theresa May. David Cameron, who mocked Mr Baker yesterday over his resignation, has signalled his determination to tighten the rules on EU nationals’ entitlement to work in this country and is due to set out his plans by the end of the year. But the analysis by University College London (UCL) suggests that new restrictions would cost the economy dear by deterring highly educated young Europeans from moving temporarily to Britain. It found that EU migrants who arrived since 2000, including citizens from new member states such as Poland, had contributed more than £20bn between 2001 and 2011. Migrant workers from the EU15 countries, which include Germany and France, paid 64 per cent more in tax than they received in benefits. New arrivals from Central and Eastern European “accession” countries contributed 12 per cent more than they took out.[/quote] [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/european-union-migrants-add-20bn-to-the-british-economy-in-just-a-decade-9839890.html"]lol[/URL]

This isn't news to anyone with 2 or more functioning brain cells, really.

[quote][B]Highly skilled[/B] migrant workers [B]from the European Union[/B][/quote] I see what you did there.

"Highly skilled" being the key point here. I would say that those highly skilled workers are claiming the least amount of benefits overall. I don't think those people are the ones half the country currently has a problem with.

[QUOTE=runtime;46414204]"Highly skilled" being the key point here. I would say that those highly skilled workers are claiming the least amount of benefits overall. I don't think those people are the ones half the country currently has a problem with.[/QUOTE] [quote]It found that EU migrants who arrived since 2000, including citizens from new member states such as Poland, had contributed more than £20bn between 2001 and 2011. Migrant workers from the EU15 countries, which include Germany and France, paid 64 per cent more in tax than they received in benefits. New arrivals from Central and Eastern European “accession” countries contributed 12 per cent more than they took out.[/quote]

12 per cent isn't that much of a margin when you consider other aspects of increased labour supply.

[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;46414219]12 per cent isn't that much of a margin when you consider other aspects of increased labour supply.[/QUOTE] The point is that it's more than zero. Hence, the UK doesn't lose anything in that regard.

Problem is the ones who come over just to take it easy. My Dad rents out an office and house to a guy who moved over from Nigeria or something, he's doing loads of work (Job working) just to re-do the house yet my Dad says he's having arguments with his wife because she just wants to live off the benefits system.

[QUOTE=Complifused;46415093]Problem is the ones who come over just to take it easy. My Dad rents out an office and house to a guy who moved over from Nigeria or something, he's doing loads of work (Job working) just to re-do the house yet my Dad says he's having arguments with his wife because she just wants to live off the benefits system.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure Nigeria is in Africa, not the EU. I can't believe I have to point this out.

[QUOTE=Complifused;46415093]Problem is the ones who come over just to take it easy. My Dad rents out an office and house to a guy who moved over from Nigeria or something, he's doing loads of work (Job working) just to re-do the house yet my Dad says he's having arguments with his wife because she just wants to live off the benefits system.[/QUOTE] No, the problem is people who think that because one person abused the benefit system, then ALL immigrant must be doing that as well.

I have no problem with people coming over and contributing to the country's economy. They're welcome to the fruits of their labour. What I don't like is people coming because of the benefits system [I]only[/I]. If you arrive in another country, you should expect to work so you can pay your way. Those who aren't skilled or have a (legal) job lined up should not be allowed entry, just like Australia does.

[QUOTE=Stopper;46415062]The point is that it's more than zero. Hence, the UK doesn't lose anything in that regard.[/QUOTE] It's not that simple. What if a british national loses his job to a foreign worker wiling to work for less pay? Will those 12 per cent cover the welfare costs?

This is a very specific look at contribution. Euro sceptics aren't that worried about this sort of thing, but more lack of affordable housing and resources to go around. This is also doesn't include the last 3 year when migration far exceeded targets.

I'm not saying it's one way or the other but looking at the "net tax" of an average worker is just not enough.

But if UKIP say immigrants are a problem then they are.

Small rant. Take that figure, deduct income loss from potential native brits who could have filled job positions they took, then add in expenses mass migration costs on local infrastructure, we are infact making a substantial loss overall and having more people in the uk lowers the quality of life for everyone.

[QUOTE=Killergam;46415415]Small rant. Take that figure, deduct income loss from potential native brits who could have filled job positions they took, then add in expenses mass migration costs on local infrastructure, we are infact making a substantial loss overall and having more people in the uk lowers the quality of life for everyone.[/QUOTE] And after that you can add the increased consumption of local services by to immigrants, and we're back to black. The funniest thing, statistics.

[QUOTE=Killergam;46415415]Small rant. Take that figure, deduct income loss from potential native brits who could have filled job positions they took, then add in expenses mass migration costs on local infrastructure, we are infact making a substantial loss overall and having more people in the uk lowers the quality of life for everyone.[/QUOTE] I'm really enjoying the numbers here. I mean, I'm at a loss as to exactly how fucked we really are with these un-vague numerical points of reference. What I'm saying is you're full of shit, get some hard numbers before posting this bullshit.

I'm a little confused, this article says migration took £150bn out of the UK - far less than it put in. [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/05/Immigration-has-Cost-Britain-150-Billion-EU-Sponsored-Report-Finds[/url] [quote]Immigration from outside the European Economic Area (EEC) cost the UK economy £118bn between 1995 and 2011, researchers from University College, London have found. The EU-sponsored report also found that migration from EEC countries brought net economic benefit in just seven of the 17 years studied, yet the authors have chosen to stress the benefits of European migration as their main finding. The paper, due to be published in the Economic Journal, reports that the net contribution from European migration amounts to just £4.4bn over the 17 year period – although this has not stopped the authors cherry picking data, presenting a gain of £20 billion between 2001 and 2011 as their main finding. Also buried in the report is the overall cost of migration to the UK: estimated to be between £114bn as a best case scenario, and £159bn at worst, as the bill for migrants accessing public services such as the NHS, education, infrastructure and benefits was higher than the amount paid by the group in taxes. [/quote]

[QUOTE=Vasili;46416094]I'm a little confused, this article says migration took £150bn out of the UK - far less than it put in. [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/05/Immigration-has-Cost-Britain-150-Billion-EU-Sponsored-Report-Finds[/url][/QUOTE] "Breitbart News Network is a conservative news and opinion website founded in 2007 by Andrew Breitbart."

Do you not have the capability to post anything but Anti-Eurosceptic propaganda?

[QUOTE=Stopper;46416105]"Breitbart News Network is a conservative news and opinion website founded in 2007 by Andrew Breitbart."[/QUOTE] That doesn't take away from anything, please leave your fallacies at the door. [quote]But Migration Watch has pointed out that the comparison is unfair, as it pits predominantly working age economic migrants against the British population as a whole, including pensioners. "Official statistics show that in the UK as a whole, working households without children actually contribute twice as much in tax as they receive in benefits. The assertion we hear so often that migrants in general and Eastern European workers in particular contribute far more than their UK-born counterparts is simply not comparing like with like and certainly not demonstrated in any way by this paper," a spokesman for Migration Watch said.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Vasili;46416094]I'm a little confused, this article says migration took £150bn out of the UK - far less than it put in. [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/05/Immigration-has-Cost-Britain-150-Billion-EU-Sponsored-Report-Finds[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah that's true, what article in OP is about workers from the EU. [QUOTE]recent immigration from Europe – driven by the surge in arrivals from eastern European – gave the economy a £4.4 billion boost over the same period. migrants from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) made a negative contribution to the public purse of £117.9 billion because they consumed more in public expenditure – including NHS costs, welfare hand-outs and education – than they contributed in taxes. The native population made a negative contribution in 12 years during the period, running to £591 billion in total, as the British economy ran at a deficit. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/immigration-from-outside-europe-cost-%C2%A3120-billion/ar-BBd1gIh?ocid=iehp[/url]

I tried having a look around, most seem to say that EU immigration contributes more than outside immigration. At the same time the study seems flawed, as they are comparing around 60k immigrants with the rest of the UK.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;46416129]Do you not have the capability to post anything but Anti-Eurosceptic propaganda?[/QUOTE] Do you not have the capability of making any actual argument to what I post? I'm still waiting

[QUOTE=Vasili;46416133]That doesn't take away from anything, please leave your fallacies at the door.[/QUOTE] "As for recent European migrants, even on their own figures - which we dispute - their contribution to the exchequer amounts to less than £1 a week per head of our population." So, recent European migrants contribute £3 billion/year, which is somehow glossed over as being a small sum? And the article at hand talks about EEA migration. [editline]5th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Vasili;46416186]I tried having a look around, most seem to say that EU immigration contributes more than outside immigration. At the same time the study seems flawed, as they are comparing around 60k immigrants with the rest of the UK.[/QUOTE] So the question remains - why does the UK want to close its borders to Europe? [editline]5th November 2014[/editline] Plus, I'm trying to figure out what exactly is there to cherrypick, as your article proclaims. You can open the report and see for yourself - the combined net gain from EEA migrants from 2001 to 2011 equals to about £20 billion.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;46416129]Do you not have the capability to post anything but Anti-Eurosceptic propaganda?[/QUOTE] From my knowledge, almost all UK media post nothing but Eurosceptic propaganda nowadays. Remember when everybody panicked about the imminent rush of millions of Romanians and Bulgarians, which turned out to be... like, 40?