North Korea will grow larger. Or at least their gulags will, according to satellite imagery - Polidicks

[t]http://imgkk.com/i/bw_y.png[/t] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9894275/North-Korea-expanding-gulags-satellite-images-show.html[/url] [quote]North Korea is expanding its network of camps for political prisoners, apparently to meet demand for a growing gulag population, according to new satellite images. Analysis of images by the [url=http://www.hrnk.org/]Committee for Human Rights in North Korea[/url] indicates that the size of Camp No. 25 alone has increased 72 per cent and perimeter guard posts, which numbered 20 in 2003, had increased to 43 in 2010. The camp is believed to house some 5,000 prisoners, in conditions that human rights groups have described as "deplorable." The detailed pictures, provided by DigitalGlobe, a US-based commercial satellite image company, also show the perimeter fence has been extended by around 4,600 feet, agricultural plots have been rearranged and a new gateway has been constructed.[/quote] [url=http://hrnk.org/uploads/pdfs/HRNK_Camp25_LR.pdf]Full report (PDF)[/url]

That country survives on slave labor, holy shit

North Korea in its entirety is a gulag.

Oh how I wish a new Command & Conquer game would come with a North Korean faction. Need some good quotes.

As much as I want to say that we need to leave North Korea alone, and as much as I know that any interference in it would be an act of economic imperialism in the end, I think this might be the only country I would support an Western liberation of. I know it would only end up like Libya, but there [I]are fucking gulags[/I] in a country full of starving people who eat themselves to survive, because the state doesn't care about anything but terror and power.

You guys should read this. [url]http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1[/url]

[QUOTE=Jaanus;39724182]You guys should read this. [url]http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1[/url][/QUOTE] How ironic that she was arrested in 1984.

[QUOTE=Jaanus;39724182]You guys should read this. [url]http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]School Principal, a Torture Victim In 1987, a school principal in Chongjin city found two female teachers murdered the previous night in the night duty chamber of the school. He immediately reported the murders to the police. When the police made little progress in the investigation, they arrested him for murder. He was subject to all kinds of severe torture for two years and forced into confessing the murder. When I saw him in the police jail, both his ears were gone with only ear holes in their place. I have no idea how it happened but his fingers were cut short and clustered together. He was badly crippled, one leg shorter than the other, and unable to walk. His mouth was slanted and he could not control his lips, which made it very difficult to understand what he said. He was a tall and handsome person before he was arrested but became as short as a ten year old boy in the two years in the police jail. He was the principal of Subok Girls' high school in Chongjin City, North Hamkyong Province. He devoted his entire life to education as a career teacher. He pleaded innocent throughout the severe tortures. Two years later, two criminals were arrested for robbery and confessed that they had snuck into the school to steal an organ, found two women teachers, and murdered them after an unsuccessful attempt at rape. Nobody was punished or held responsible for arresting the wrong person. There was no apology. Rather, the provincial police forced him to sign a statement that he would never disclose that he had been tortured. He was completely disabled and received no compensation. He died shortly after his release.[/quote] Goddamn savages.

OK, having read that, it is literally like they'd read 1984 and decided "Well, that's all well and good, but don't they treat the people a little too well?" I know these are prisoners, but this is just disgusting. How can any human possibly kick a baby to death or shoot someone for falling over? Is that even a possible thing for a sane mind? Is the ruling caste of North Korea literally insane?

[QUOTE]One rainy day in 1991, a housewife from Pyongyang name Ok tan Lee had been carrying dung all day long and was ready to transfer the dung to the huge pool. However, the lid of the tank on the wheel somehow got stuck and would not open. When she climbed on the tank to push the door open, she slipped from the rain wet surface and plunged into the ground dung pool. It was so deep that she disappeared into the dung. A guard some distance away (they always keep their distance because of the stink from the prisoners) shouted, "Stop it! Let her die there unless you want to die the same way yourself!" She was left to drown there in the dung.[/QUOTE]

Not surprised at the slightest. The UN should really do something about this though, things can only go downhill if nobody intervenes.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;39724456]OK, having read that, it is literally like they'd read 1984 and decided "Well, that's all well and good, but don't they treat the people a little too well?" I know these are prisoners, but this is just disgusting. How can any human possibly kick a baby to death or shoot someone for falling over? Is that even a possible thing for a sane mind? Is the ruling caste of North Korea literally insane?[/QUOTE] Society, culture, all of it is built to support the political and economic system. We here in the West are raised with beliefs in the human condition, liberty, equality, and general well-being. But, when that entire society is built to produce people who are programmed for conformity, obedience, extremist collectivism and the rejection of the individual unit, then we have a society where a person is just an object, and all that matters is doing your pre-selected duty for the social order. People underestimate how malleable humanity is. We are products of those who control the resources of our society. We function like that. The West has allowed for the expansion and liberty of the individual, so we obviously see this as barbaric, and it is. They would see this as normal. Personality is nothing there. 1984 was right, Orwell was right. While there's some fundamental biological want to prosper as an individual, societies are super-effective at turning men into machines by turning those men into stoic believers. The Germans massacred millions, the Japanese did the unspeakable (you can look up Japanese war crimes for yourself, it makes the Holocaust look merciful in comparison). Some people say this is simply human nature, but I think we can chalk it up more to societal organization and teachings more than nature. How else can our societies be so different? How can the same society be so different even 20 years apart? No one here would want to, or be capable of, doing those things, yet it's so normal and rational to an entire nation. That isn't natural, that's situational. That's imposed beliefs over generations. North Korea has taken the concept of the Marxist ideas on the superstructure and applied it in the most hideous ways, used it in the opposite way as it was intended.

[QUOTE=smurfy;39723074][t]http://imgkk.com/i/bw_y.png[/t] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9894275/North-Korea-expanding-gulags-satellite-images-show.html[/url] [url=http://hrnk.org/uploads/pdfs/HRNK_Camp25_LR.pdf]Full report (PDF)[/url][/QUOTE] North Korea: the only country on earth that installs air defense sites around their prisons, because they're that scared of losing their free work force.

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;39724378] [quote] School Principal, a Torture Victim In 1987, a school principal in Chongjin city found two female teachers murdered the previous night in the night duty chamber of the school. He immediately reported the murders to the police. When the police made little progress in the investigation, they arrested him for murder. He was subject to all kinds of severe torture for two years and forced into confessing the murder. When I saw him in the police jail, both his ears were gone with only ear holes in their place. I have no idea how it happened but his fingers were cut short and clustered together. He was badly crippled, one leg shorter than the other, and unable to walk. His mouth was slanted and he could not control his lips, which made it very difficult to understand what he said. He was a tall and handsome person before he was arrested but became as short as a ten year old boy in the two years in the police jail. He was the principal of Subok Girls' high school in Chongjin City, North Hamkyong Province. He devoted his entire life to education as a career teacher. He pleaded innocent throughout the severe tortures. Two years later, two criminals were arrested for robbery and confessed that they had snuck into the school to steal an organ, found two women teachers, and murdered them after an unsuccessful attempt at rape. Nobody was punished or held responsible for arresting the wrong person. There was no apology. Rather, the provincial police forced him to sign a statement that he would never disclose that he had been tortured. He was completely disabled and received no compensation. He died shortly after his release. Goddamn savages.[/QUOTE] Goddamn savages.[/QUOTE] something needs to happen to NK soon i'm not suggesting nukes, because that would be a stupid answer, nuclear weapons don't discriminate between who's done right and who's done wrong but how can we as supposed civilized humans allow this barbarism to human life go unpunished and unattended? it's a country that people are still trying to escape from, and it honestly scares me that such a place like this actually exists

[QUOTE=Jaanus;39724182]You guys should read this. [url]http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]When I miraculously survived paratyphoid in 1989, I was sent to the medical room to report. When I arrived at the medical room, I noticed six pregnant women awaiting delivery. I was told to wait for my supervisor to come and take me over. While I was there, three women delivered babies on the cement floor without any blankets. It was horrible to watch the prison doctor kicking the pregnant women with his boots. When a baby was born, the doctor shouted, "Kill it quickly. How can a criminal in the prison expect to have a baby? Kill it." The women covered their faces with their hands and wept. Even though the deliveries were forced by injection, the babies were still alive when born. The prisoner/nurses, with trembling hands, squeezed the babies' necks to kill them. The babies, when killed, were wrapped in a dirty cloth, put into a bucket and taken outside through a backdoor. I was so shocked with that scene that I still see the mothers weeping for their babies in my nightmares. I saw the baby killing twice while I was in the prison. When I went back to the medical room for routine duty a few days later, Shin Ok Kim and Mi Ok Cho, the prisoner/nurses working in the medical room, were sobbing and one of them told me, "Accountant, we are devils worse than beasts. They say that the dead babies are used to make new medicine for experiments." I was so afraid that I closed her mouth with my finger and said, "I never heard you say this." I hurried to leave from their presence. I was sent to the same medical room once again when I recovered from pleurisy in 1992. This time, there were some ten pregnant women in the small medical room. They were all injected to induce forced delivery and suffering from pain for many hours. A woman, so undernourished and weak, could not endure the delivery and died during labor. The prisoner/nurse there whispered to me that it is more difficult to deliver a dead baby than a living baby. The other pregnant women looked so pale from the pain, and they had sweat on their faces. If they groanned from the pain, the doctor mercilessly kicked their belly hard and shouted, "Shut up! Don't feign pain!" I was waiting for my supervisor to take charge of me from the doctor at the corridor outside. I heard the crying voice of Byung Ok Kim, 32 years old, and peeped into the room through the half open door. She had just delivered a baby and cried, "Sir, please save the baby. My parents in law are anxiously waiting for the baby. Please, please save the baby." She was out of her mind with sorrow. All the other women remained quiet and she was the only woman crying and begging loudly. The doctor was taken momentarily by surprise. But soon, he regained himself and shouted, "You want to die, eh? Kill the baby!" He kicked her hard. Then, the Chief Medical Officer came in and said, "Who was it yelling like that? Put her in the punishment cell!" The Chief Medical Officer kicked her hard several times and had her dragged to the punishment cell because she could not hold herself up. This is one of the scenes that I will never forget. She died shortly after she was released from the cell.[/quote] Jesus fucking christ

wow, I never realized just [i]how[/i] terrible NK is how has nobody stepped in?

Hey this place sounds pretty cool, I think I might try and move there.

[QUOTE=Judas;39725028]wow, I never realized just [i]how[/i] terrible NK is how has nobody stepped in?[/QUOTE] China.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;39724881]something needs to happen to NK soon i'm not suggesting nukes, because that would be a stupid answer, nuclear weapons don't discriminate between who's done right and who's done wrong but how can we as supposed civilized humans allow this barbarism to human life go unpunished and unattended? it's a country that people are still trying to escape from, and it honestly scares me that such a place like this actually exists[/QUOTE] North Korea should be the thing that the whole rest of the world puts differences aside for. China won't hold any sway if they'll end up with nobody to sell to.

I know what they say about refugees, but I still don't see what China gains from supporting North Korea. They have to fund it, keep it in line, and deal with other countries complaints.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39725165]North Korea should be the thing that the whole rest of the world puts differences aside for. China won't hold any sway if they'll end up with nobody to sell to.[/QUOTE] China only cares about NK because they don't want several million starving people rushing for their border in the event of a collapse or war. China is NK's only ideological ally, and the Korea people would likely flock to China. China has its own issues and could care less for the people's well-being, but supporting another 5-25 million people in an already overpopulated country with political discontent just bubbling under the oppressive blanket of the state? If the Coalition could find a way to integrate NK into a UN zone or put its oversight to South Korea and guarantee China wouldn't have to deal with it (which is unlikely- the only safe place for the millions of culture shocked Koreans would be China, as the only "communist" nation left), then China would be all over the West intervening. I mean, they wouldn't be happy to see another western nation at their border, but I think that they would be happier to finally be rid of that resource and political sink.

North Korea will either reform or be doomed to collapse from dry rot. It won't go on forever, especially given how incompetent it is.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];39725239']I know what they say about refugees, but I still don't see what China gains from supporting North Korea. They have to fund it, keep it in line, and deal with other countries complaints.[/QUOTE] NK exports a lot of coal to China, which it uses to provide energy to the regions in the North that have historically been very poor. Then there's the general issue of regional stability, and the fact that many people flee to China, which is against it's interests.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39725290]North Korea will either reform or be doomed to collapse from dry rot. It won't go on forever, especially given how incompetent it is.[/QUOTE] but nothing is stopping them and that's a slow death for everyone in that hell. we should be intervening with this.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;39725324]but nothing is stopping them and that's a slow death for everyone in that hell. we should be intervening with this.[/QUOTE] They're internally pretty messed up politically. They could collapse suddenly, we don't know. There's a reason why KJU was mortaring his generals to death. Some think that the artillery shelling of the island a few years back and the sinking of the Cheonan were rogue acts by the military in an attempt to force a conflict and take control. We don't know how far KJU has gone to eliminating the jingoist military elements or appeasing them, but it may still be there.

[QUOTE=Jaanus;39724182]You guys should read this. [url]http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1[/url][/QUOTE] Holy shit! how horrible.

maybe these are reasons for us to stop that grorious leader bs? there is nothing glorious about nk.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39725290]North Korea will either reform or be doomed to collapse from dry rot. It won't go on forever, especially given how incompetent it is.[/QUOTE] Yep. Social and geopolitical change is often slow and it's better to let it happen naturally than try and force it.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39725290]North Korea will either reform or be doomed to collapse from dry rot. It won't go on forever, especially given how incompetent it is.[/QUOTE] That's the issue though, they aren't incompetent. The country is ideologically homogenous, no news gets into the country and the state controls absolutely every aspect of people's lives.

Personally, I can't believe nothing's been done about NK yet. I'm tired of their bullshit.