Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws - Polidicks

[IMG]http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4d594a36cadcbb2a1d010000/8-things-that-anonymous-the-hacker-terrorist-group-has-done-for-good.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE][I]Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked to under the Investigatory Powers Bill[/I] Internet and social media companies will be banned from putting customer communications beyond their own reach under new laws to be unveiled on Wednesday. Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked to, the Daily Telegraph can disclose. Measures in the Investigatory Powers Bill will place in law a requirement on tech firms and service providers to be able to provide unencrypted communications to the police or spy agencies if requested through a warrant.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11970391/Internet-firms-to-be-banned-from-offering-out-of-reach-communications-under-new-laws.html"]Source[/URL]

This UK law or US law?

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;49043825]This UK law or US law?[/QUOTE] UK

Why not just put a law making them store everything in plain text while you are at it? Whole point in encrypting info is for nobody else to be able to get it, placing this restriction will just allow someone to find the master key and get whatever they want. To put it in simpsons terms: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU2Or5rCN_Y[/media]

Fuvk Theresa May, fuck conservatives

It'd be hilarious if these companies decided to not provide services for the UK because of this law

Not at all clear that this will clear parliament in its current form btw, a decent number of Conservatives are unhappy with parts of it

This is a point where the US either needs to acknowledge how bad of an idea it is and stop pushing it, and discourage others from doing so, or we all go ahead and spend the next 30 years having everything stolen by Russian and Chinese hackers because the police need to be able to look at some guys phone [editline]3rd November 2015[/editline] We complain about Chinese hackers stealing our data yet we also are pathologically opening a gigantic door for them to come in. It's long been known that you cannot have security if you have a personal backdoor

[QUOTE=Sableye;49043937]This is a point where the US either needs to acknowledge how bad of an idea it is and stop pushing it, and discourage others from doing so, or we all go ahead and spend the next 30 years having everything stolen by Russian and Chinese hackers because the police need to be able to look at some guys phone [editline]3rd November 2015[/editline] We complain about Chinese hackers stealing our data yet we also are pathologically opening a gigantic door for them to come in. It's long been known that you cannot have security if you have a personal backdoor[/QUOTE] this is about the UK, not the US lol. also, there is a doublestandard at play, governments want their shit to be protected but want regular people to NOT have it protected.

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;49043828]UK[/QUOTE] fuck we badly need to get this government out, every day there's some new awful shit I really don't know how shit like this can get passed without some advisor red flagging it when the bill is first being drafted. They don't write policy without advisers. Is there really that level of technological illiteracy in government? also uk should probably be in the title

[QUOTE=lyna;49043905]It'd be hilarious if these companies decided to not provide services for the UK because of this law[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be laughing.

I can see this being a huge fucking problem for major banks based in the UK. I wouldn't trust my savings with a bank that has to purposely weaken there encryptions because the government has the mind set of "anyone who encrypts there device obviously is a CRIMINAL"

Yes, that's it. Backdoor everything. Ban PGP and SHA-256. Ban Linux's core functions and features. Ban [I]maths[/I]. Now the people are safe, with Big Brother inspecting their affairs now and then to make sure all's well. This won't give hackers any advantages [I]at all[/I]. Get ready for Sony-level leaks every month if this goes through. If there's any justice in the world, the leaks would start with the email accounts of everyone who votes for this being compromised. (This is not a threat.)

[QUOTE=Toro;49044214]I can see this being a huge fucking problem for major banks based in the UK. I wouldn't trust my savings with a bank that has to purposely weaken there encryptions because the government has the mind set of "anyone who encrypts there device obviously is a CRIMINAL"[/QUOTE] "You shouldn't be worried if you don't have anything to hide."

The UK is still a democratic country, right? Because i would of assume this type of feature would be very useful for company's as its a good way to prevent espionage by another company. [QUOTE=ZakkShock;49044526]"You shouldn't be worried if you don't have anything to hide."[/QUOTE] This argue applies to the governments who makes theses laws and more to the point the courts who enforce them

Wait so are they actually prohibited from using/making hard-to-decrypt encryption standards or is this just prohibiting the exaggerated advertisement of "unbreakable encryption" because the title is a bit misleading then.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;49043990]this is about the UK, not the US lol. also, there is a doublestandard at play, governments want their shit to be protected but want regular people to NOT have it protected.[/QUOTE] I understand its in the UK but this trend didn't start till the US started saying people can't encrypt their stuff, and if we were to reverse that position, this trend would vanish overnight It's mind blowing how large the disconnect is between policy scaremongerers and the actual science they're trying to regulate. Everyone says this will destroy the internet, companies and people are constantly being hacked, and China is expanding its military espionage and we have policy makers not only wanting to open the door, they want to put a damn law in saying the door must be there to begin with

Any 'terrorists' or individuals with a modicum of tech know-how will have no trouble at all circumventing these measures by using custom or thirdparty software. We are still in the era of old farts making laws about that which they do not understand.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49044823]Wait so are they actually prohibited from using/making hard-to-decrypt encryption standards or is this just prohibiting the exaggerated advertisement of "unbreakable encryption" because the title is a bit misleading then.[/QUOTE] Basically this law would require that backdoors be essentially installed into encryption schemes. Particularly end-to-end encryption. I know they were also going after PC and phone HDD encryption. Basically for end-to-end they are trying to make it illegal. So they are requiring if a message passes through Apple's network, for example, that Apple has to have a plain text copy of it. So that when law enforcement or spy agencies demand a copy they can be given a copy.

If unbreakable doesn't mean irreversible encryption, then what is the point of this? Decryption keys exist. If encryption needs to be breakable without a decryption key then it's fucking pointless. Creating backdoors to devices, yeah that's not going to be abused at all, nope. Also, regulating encryption sounds like it will go as well as fighting piracy.

The UK is turning into a fucking nazi-nannystate. It's good to know that I should never ever fucking buy anything from a UK based website anymore or use any UK based service. If you're living in the UK you should totally consider escaping to any other country.

[QUOTE=lyna;49043905]It'd be hilarious if these companies decided to not provide services for the UK because of this law[/QUOTE] Yeah we'd fucking love it.

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;49045349]I would but I'm currently on bail because these laws (muh cyberterrorism) can hold someone on suspicion of computer related crimes for up to 18 months with no real charges. As soon as I'm declared innocent (which 100% I am) I am out of here.[/QUOTE] seriously? jesus christ dude

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;49045349]I would but I'm currently on bail because these laws (muh cyberterrorism) can hold someone on suspicion of computer related crimes for up to 18 months with no real charges. As soon as I'm declared innocent (which 100% I am) I am out of here.[/QUOTE] *cough*

I wonder if those russian mafia super computer servers are still kicking in full gear.

Stupid advisors telling a stupid government, voted in by stupid people, to push stupid laws.

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;49045349]I would but I'm currently on bail because these laws (muh cyberterrorism) can hold someone on suspicion of computer related crimes for up to 18 months with no real charges. As soon as I'm declared innocent (which 100% I am) I am out of here. edit: I'll write a full blog post / thread about it when its all over with[/QUOTE] Did that CryptAlchemy guy report you to Scotland Yard for calling bullshit on that bootleg Scriptfodder website he was trying to make? :v:

I hope there are massive, public protests in every major city if this even shows a [I]sign[/I] of fully getting through.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;49045691]I hope there are massive, public protests in every major city if this even shows a [I]sign[/I] of fully getting through.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure the majority of UK wouldn't realize how serious of an issue this will be if it passes

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;49045691]I hope there are massive, public protests in every major city if this even shows a [I]sign[/I] of fully getting through.[/QUOTE] As nice as that would be, I think there is too much ignorance on the subject among the majority of the public for any large scale protests to materialize. Nonetheless I would certainly support any protests.