Doctors find scissors in man's stomach 18 years later - Polidicks

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvqM_U1CAd8[/media] [quote]Vietnamese doctors have removed a pair of rusty scissors from a man’s stomach, 18 years after they were left in there. The scissors were only discovered in the belly of Ma Van Nha, from the northern province of Thai Nguyen, when he got into a road accident and went into hospital for a check-up in December, the Vietnam Express reports. A puzzled Mr Nha said he had never felt any side affects from the scissors, which were nestled next to his colon, apart from some stomach pains recently. [/quote] Read more at [url]http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/01/03/14/47/doctors-find-scissors-in-mans-stomach-18-years-later#skhGhQGk4K6Mpfi2.99[/url]

Discovered AFTER a road accident? Jesus, I feel like that could've gone worse.

Still, that's a Three Stooges level of a screw up for any surgeon.

[QUOTE=Water-Marine;51617911]Discovered AFTER a road accident? Jesus, I feel like that could've gone worse.[/QUOTE] At least it wasn't during an MRI scan.

I'd love to imagine it was discovered by the same surgeon who left it there in the first place.

clamp* edit: What a useless reply mr bird man, that really was an important thing to tell everyone, because it certainly helped.

[QUOTE=Kecske;51617974]At least it wasn't during an MRI scan.[/QUOTE] Oh god, the thought makes me retch. :sick:

[QUOTE=Kecske;51617974]At least it wasn't during an MRI scan.[/QUOTE] Would the MRI be powerful enough to actually rip the scissors (or clamps) from the guys guts and skin?

[QUOTE=surfur;51618657]Would the MRI be powerful enough to actually rip the scissors (or clamps) from the guys guts and skin?[/QUOTE] The only things that wont be attracted are non-ferromagnetic materials, like a titanium alloy. This thing they left in him will most certainly cause a projectile effect or translational attraction (one part of the object concentrates the magnetic attraction, and the differential between this point and the rest of the object, increases the speed of attraction to the source.) And since the thing's been rusting in him for all these years, it's a given that it'd almost certainly cause fatal results if they'd stick him in an MRI.

Do they screen people for embedded metal before an MRI? Because that sounds horrible.

[QUOTE=surfur;51618657]Would the MRI be powerful enough to actually rip the scissors (or clamps) from the guys guts and skin?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if it could actually get ripped out, but it'd definitely cause some [B]major[/B] internal damage. The magnets are crazy powerful: [video]https://youtube.com/watch?v=7g5UVrOt2CI[/video]

[QUOTE=AnonymaPizza;51618721]Do they screen people for embedded metal before an MRI? Because that sounds horrible.[/QUOTE] the average surgical implant, being made of high grade steel alloy or titanium alloy, is no contraindication MRIs. stuff like pacemakers, aneurysm clips, etc. are, however, an absolute contraindication. It's pretty much a requirement of the radiologist to ask about embedded foreign objects, surgical implants (magnetic or otherwise) and what not before sending them over to have an MRI done. Not doing so is grounds for a malpractice suit and worse.

[QUOTE=AnonymaPizza;51618721]Do they screen people for embedded metal before an MRI? Because that sounds horrible.[/QUOTE] Yep, we do screen people. We screen the staff too. I don't work in MRI, but for my placements in it in various hospitals, I must have filled out half a dozen various MRI safety questionnaires. If you have implants, we will chase down documentation on their composition and can consult the manufacturer and check if it is MR safe, MR conditional or MR incompatible. I am uncertain whether it would pull the scissors out entirely, but I would firmly believe that it would move them around internally. The real thing I would consider is burns from the scissors during the MRI, caused by the RF pulses

[QUOTE=Terminutter;51618739]Yep, we do screen people. We screen the staff too. I don't work in MRI, but for my placements in it in various hospitals, I must have filled out half a dozen various MRI safety questionnaires. I am uncertain whether it would pull the scissors out entirely, but I would firmly believe that it would move them around internally. The real thing I would consider is burns from the scissors during the MRI, caused by the RF pulses[/QUOTE] it's unlikely it would be pulled out unless the magnetic force is fairly strong but internal damage is a definite given.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51618745]it's unlikely it would be pulled out unless the magnetic force is fairly strong but internal damage is a definite given.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I would lean towards saying it definitely wouldn't be pulled out, assuming a 1.5 or 3T magnet, but I only know the textbook stuff so I didn't want to say "it absolutely won't rip them out!".

[QUOTE=surfur;51618657]Would the MRI be powerful enough to actually rip the scissors (or clamps) from the guys guts and skin?[/QUOTE] Easily, actually.

Video isn't available in my country apparently? Nevertheless the picture is just... Wow.

:scream: This is all kinds of nope. And to think I wanted to get sleep tonight.

So, what did they leave this time inside?

Patients are screened. For example, a machinist would be told to get a ocular X-Ray to verify that no metal shrapnel existed in his eyes.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51618745]it's unlikely it would be pulled out unless the magnetic force is fairly strong but internal damage is a definite given.[/QUOTE] Unless Im mistaken, most surgical instruments would be made of stainless steel, which is non-magnetic, and therefore safe in an MRI? i mean, not in this case given that they said it was rusted. But in general?

[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;51620721]Unless Im mistaken, most surgical instruments would be made of stainless steel, which is non-magnetic, and therefore safe in an MRI? i mean, not in this case given that they said it was rusted. But in general?[/QUOTE] strictly there's no specific definition used, so it applies to a large number of corrosion resistant steels and steel alloys. But, the surgical steel alloys most commonly used are austenitic 316 (marine grade stainless steel) and martensitic 420/440 (cutlery grade)