Super Bunnyhop: Why We Should Have More Fallout Spinoffs - General

[video=youtube;Wnedb7XKycc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnedb7XKycc[/video] Gotta say I agree with this concept in general, I really wish we'd have some Mass Effect and Witcher spin offs. Exploring the worlds outside of Shepard and Geralt's point of view respectively would just be really awesome.

I'd love for Fallout spin-offs, the world in general has so much potential to work in so many different ways and it'd be a shame for that to not be utilized. Even right now I can think of several ideas for Fallout spin-offs that'd work great for sure.

This worked so well for the Warhammer games, right?

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;49185159]This worked so well for the Warhammer games, right?[/QUOTE] As Bunnyhop says, of course we only want spin offs if they're good. It's not like anyone is calling for bad spin offs. Seeing as spin offs could be more faithful to the original than the mainline titles are, that's pretty much what I think would happen with Mass Effect Andromeda since at the end of 3 they forgot the themes and motif of ME and then they just dumped all lore and backstory and a very well established rich and unexplored universe for Andromeda. Also I'm no Warhammer fan, but I'm pretty sure some great games have came out of it, I mean Vermintide looks great.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;49185159]This worked so well for the Warhammer games, right?[/QUOTE] Isn't Games Workshop known for being horrible money grubbers that use all their IPs poorly? Still though, Warhammer's gotten some pretty good games minus the mobile titles.

I just want another Obsidian made Fallout game.

I want Obsidian to make a first person/third person RPG, basically do to Fallout 4 what they did to Fallout 3, and I want inXile to do a top down RPG in a similar style to Wasteland 2.

Obsidian won't make another Fallout game because the core audience for Fallout at this point hated New Vegas and why would Bethesda risk pissing off the majority of it's fanbase

[QUOTE=JesterUK;49185590]Obsidian won't make another Fallout game because the core audience for Fallout at this point hated New Vegas and why would Bethesda risk pissing off the majority of it's fanbase[/QUOTE] Wait what What core audience I thought the general opinion on New Vegas that it was pretty good albeit rough around the edges

[QUOTE=JesterUK;49185590]Obsidian won't make another Fallout game because the core audience for Fallout at this point hated New Vegas and why would Bethesda risk pissing off the majority of it's fanbase[/QUOTE] Where the hell did you get that they hated it? It has a 85 on metacritic and a 8.5 user score.

[QUOTE=JesterUK;49185590]Obsidian won't make another Fallout game because the core audience for Fallout at this point hated New Vegas and why would Bethesda risk pissing off the majority of it's fanbase[/QUOTE] The core audience hated New Vegas? Is that why literally everywhere you talk about Fallout people talk about how much New Vegas improved from 3 and how the best way to play Fallout 3 these days is as a mod for New Vegas?

I wouldn't mind another top down fallout by obsidian, as long as it maintained the style. I mean all of the rendered cutscenes had a charm to them that just really isn't there anymore. [video=youtube;k7icUarCbA8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7icUarCbA8[/video]

Still waiting for Aloha Smoothskin to happen.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49185604]The core audience hated New Vegas? Is that why literally everywhere you talk about Fallout people talk about how much New Vegas improved from 3 and how the best way to play Fallout 3 these days is as a mod for New Vegas?[/QUOTE] I've seen a ton of flak directed towards NV in many places. I'm not saying NV didn't do well or that people don't acknowledge that but the majority of the fanbase are Bethesda fanboys who hate NV because Bethesda didn't make it.

I'd love to see Obsidian make another Fallout game period. If someone, especially Obsidian, decided to make a classic Fallout CRPG? I would explode I'd be so in love right away.

I hope if there is a fallout spinoff like new vegas it takes place somewhere it snows.

I'd say he's wrong. Media has spun the 'zombie apocalypse' so much that it is an absolutely tired scenario. Zombie's are honestly boring and have been since the multitude of movies in the 70s/80s dedicated to them. Nuclear apocalypse is something fresh for people who haven't played Fallout 1/2 Bring it into the mainstream and make 50 titles about it and you ruin what was special about it in the first place.

[QUOTE=kloaz;49185623]Still waiting for Aloha Smoothskin to happen.[/QUOTE] I'm still waiting for "Fallout: After Anchorage" Wintry environment where you explore irradiated wastelands in Alaska that involves remnants of the Chinese army and large, arctic animal mutants

[QUOTE=JesterUK;49185590]Obsidian won't make another Fallout game because the core audience for Fallout at this point hated New Vegas and why would Bethesda risk pissing off the majority of it's fanbase[/QUOTE] I know a lot of people who fall into the core audience irl and all of them loved New Vegas so who the hell do you meet that hated New Vegas.

[QUOTE=••••••••••••••;49185909]I'd say he's wrong. Media has spun the 'zombie apocalypse' so much that it is an absolutely tired scenario. Zombie's are honestly boring and have been since the multitude of movies in the 70s/80s dedicated to them. Nuclear apocalypse is something fresh for people who haven't played Fallout 1/2 Bring it into the mainstream and make 50 titles about it and you ruin what was special about it in the first place.[/QUOTE] Well he didn't say he wanted to turn the setting into the next big craze, just that he wanted a few spin-offs.

[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;49185598]Wait what What core audience I thought the general opinion on New Vegas that it was pretty good albeit rough around the edges[/QUOTE] I guess it's a definition problem. Most serious/semi-serious PC gamers, such as most Facepunchers, I know who've played Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas prefer Fallout: New Vegas, but they aren't the only ones who play Fallout games anymore. The casual gamers who made up a good chunk of Fallout 3's sales and an even bigger portion of Fallout 4's sales, when I ask them about New Vegas, either they didn't play it or they 'couldn't get into it' for one reason or another.[sp]I'm a bit of a cynic at heart, so I have all sorts of nasty presumptions about why they didn't like New Vegas, but since I try to be civil, I won't discuss them.[/sp]

Tbh, i prefer NV over FO3 because there are newer FPS Design conventions taken into account, like ADS and the fact you can craft ammo or crouch to be more accurate. FO3 has none of that and it feels more clunky as a result.

I agree with the video but I'd actually love to see this happen with The Elder Scrolls esp. if there was one that would make a return to Morrowind's depth like how New Vegas made some nods to the original Fallout games.

People didn't get into NV for the same reason they didn't get into F3. It's shooting was shit and it was billed as a shooter RPG. Fo4 sold really well because it really embraced being a shooter and fit in the RPG mechanics where it could. I think, Obsidian, would play it smart. I expect they would lift the combat from Fo4 whole sale more or less as it's actually a really high point of Fo4. I imagine though, they'd work skills back in in some way, they'd revise and revisit Bethesdas take on the dialogue menu and systems to expand them. I just don't see Obsidian bungling this up by reducing the combat that Fo4 sold so well on. They'd just bulk up the skills where they could, leaving out weapons and anything that effects the real time combat. I know many people are clamoring for skills back, and I can understand that, but I think they can come back as long as they never effect the shooting like NV or Fo3. Leave shooting real time and effected by player skill and that game will sell really well.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49185926]I'm still waiting for "Fallout: After Anchorage" Wintry environment where you explore irradiated wastelands in Alaska that involves remnants of the Chinese army and large, arctic animal mutants[/QUOTE] so skyrim with guns A.K.A. snow far cry 3

How about this. Have Obsidian make a direct spin off from Fallout 4 (as in same engine, same general gameplay mechanics), and/or have InXile make an isometric Fallout CRPG from scratch (probably made in Unity or UE4). I would buy both of those in a hearbeat. Just please Bethesda. Give whatever developer you choose more than 18 months this time if you do decide to have another spinoff. As impressive as New Vegas was, I could only imagine how much better it would be if it had more time, and of course, how less buggy it would be on release.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49186061]People didn't get into NV for the same reason they didn't get into F3. It's shooting was shit and it was billed as a shooter RPG. Fo4 sold really well because it really embraced being a shooter and fit in the RPG mechanics where it could. I think, Obsidian, would play it smart. I expect they would lift the combat from Fo4 whole sale more or less as it's actually a really high point of Fo4. I imagine though, they'd work skills back in in some way, they'd revise and revisit Bethesdas take on the dialogue menu and systems to expand them. I just don't see Obsidian bungling this up by reducing the combat that Fo4 sold so well on. They'd just bulk up the skills where they could, leaving out weapons and anything that effects the real time combat. I know many people are clamoring for skills back, and I can understand that, but I think they can come back as long as they never effect the shooting like NV or Fo3. Leave shooting real time and effected by player skill and that game will sell really well.[/QUOTE] That doesn't really explain all the people who did get in to Fallout 3 and yet couldn't get into Fallout: New Vegas.

[QUOTE=JesterUK;49185946]Well he didn't say he wanted to turn the setting into the next big craze, just that he wanted a few spin-offs.[/QUOTE] Fallout is now a 'major' media title. A few spin-offs = the next big craze--whether we like to think of it that way or not. Even though Fallout 4 isn't exactly a stellar title of the series at least they didn't resort to hype for its release. TBH I wouldn't mind a release or two outside the main series (I see NV as a Fallout title regardless of it having a number or not). But I would hope they show some restrain and don't flood the world with shit (as has been the destiny of more than a few franchises)

Honestly, after Obsidian's financial troubles and the fact that some of their best staff left for inXile or just altogether, Pillars of Eternity and Wasteland 2 are pretty blatantly a lot more low-budget than previous titles (albeit Pillars of Eternity was crowdfunded but it must mean something if they developed Stick of Truth and now Ubisoft San Francisco is making the sequel). I doubt they have the funding, manpower or otherwise to hope to use the Fallout 4 version of the Creation Engine and its assets/gameplay for a full-budget successor to New Vegas.

[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;49186228]That doesn't really explain all the people who did get in to Fallout 3 and yet couldn't get into Fallout: New Vegas.[/QUOTE] I've never personally met those people. in my experience, people played both or didn't play either. To say it's purely because of Bethesda being involved is a little odd, especially back around the time of Fo3. They really hit their stride in the mainstream with Skyrim.