• Nearly half of refugees are children
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[url]https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/sep/07/nearly-half-of-all-refugees-are-children-unicef-report-migrants-united-nations[/url] [quote]Report shows child refugee figures have jumped by 75% in five years to 8 million, and calls for urgent action to protect the 50 million child migrants worldwide Children now make up more than half of the world’s refugees, according to a Unicef report, despite the fact they account for less than a third of the global population. Just two countries – Syria and Afghanistan – comprise half of all child refugees under protection by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), while roughly three-quarters of the world’s child refugees come from just 10 countries. ... “Today, nearly one in every 200 children in the world is a refugee,” said Lily Caprani, Unicef UK’s deputy executive director ... In Africa, nearly one in three migrants is a child – nearly twice the global average – and three in five refugees are children. African migrants move both within and beyond the continent’s borders in nearly equal numbers; South Africa and Ivory Coast are the top two host countries for immigrants. [/quote]
B-b-but my fighting age male narrative
This is the reason why the figures jumped: [quote]In nearly three fourths of cases investigated by Danish immigration authorities, refugees who claimed to be minors were found to be adults upon further examination[/quote] [url]http://www.thelocal.dk/20150622/refugee-children-in-denmark-found-to-be-adults[/url] The majority claiming to be children are not children. They lie to get asylum granted and to receive more benefits from the country. I bet that if lying about your age was punished by being denied asylum and kicked out, the numbers of child refugees would drop dramatically.
[QUOTE]“But if young refugees are accepted and protected today, if they have the chance to learn and grow, and to develop their potential, they can be a source of stability and economic progress.”[/QUOTE] Is there narrative here refugee children = future money makers?
[QUOTE=Judas;51083971]B-b-but my fighting age male narrative[/QUOTE] i'd say 14-17 is fighting age, not children at that age either (plus you need to take in people that has lied about their age aswell)
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51083998]This is the reason why the figures jumped: [url]http://www.thelocal.dk/20150622/refugee-children-in-denmark-found-to-be-adults[/url] The majority claiming to be children are not children. They lie to get asylum granted and to receive more benefits from the country.[/QUOTE] Read your own article, please: [QUOTE]Of those 818, DIS investigated the age of 282 refugees and found that 203 of them, or 72 percent of the questionable cases, were actually above the age of 18 despite claims to the contrary. “If there are doubts about the verity of an asylum seeker’s claim to be under the age of 18, an age examination is conducted,” DIS explained in its report.[/QUOTE] They only investigate if there is doubt, and of [I]those[/I] cases 3/4ths were adults. Or about 1/4th of the total. Edit: Also for those interested, in 2015 2144 children (or claiming to be) applied for asylum in Denmark. Out of those, 351 were investigated as there was doubt about their age, and 66% (232) were found to be adults. That's about 11% of the total number of applicants. But of course it's just easier to link back to an older article, not really read it, and then claim that 3/4ths of all "kids" aren't actually kids. Source (page 17): [url]https://www.nyidanmark.dk/NR/rdonlyres/EBDF83E7-B151-4B3B-A87C-CC291B29CF14/0/tal_og_fakta_2015.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51084017]Read your own article, please: They only investigate if there is doubt, and of [I]those[/I] cases 3/4ths were adults. Or about 1/4th of the total.[/QUOTE] Yes sadly they don't have mandatory age check on all claiming to be children.
Also then consider how many of those children are orphans..
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51084024]Yes sadly they don't have mandatory age check on all claiming to be children.[/QUOTE] Maybe there should be a mandatory reading check on this forum as well ;)
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51083998]This is the reason why the figures jumped: [url]http://www.thelocal.dk/20150622/refugee-children-in-denmark-found-to-be-adults[/url] The majority claiming to be children are not children. They lie to get asylum granted and to receive more benefits from the country. I bet that if lying about your age was punished by being denied asylum and kicked out, the numbers of child refugees would drop dramatically.[/QUOTE] I'm glad you feel into the trap of thinking this was just refugees in europe. Stat is for world wide. Also reread your article and rethink your views
I love how both sides of the argument are losing their footing because there's different statistics everywhere on the web
[QUOTE=Judas;51083971]B-b-but my fighting age male narrative[/QUOTE] I noticed that this also fell into the trap too, although mdeceiver chose not to quote it. As sad a statistic as this is I don't think europe is equipped to take them all though.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51084164]I noticed that this also fell into the trap too, although m[b]deceiver[/b] chose not to quote it. As sad a statistic as this is I don't think europe is equipped to take them all though.[/QUOTE] I have a name and reputation to live up to. Sad thing is with climate change and desertification (and the wars/conflicts which follow those) its not like the refugee numbers are going to go down anytime soon. For many, being a refugee will be their experience of life, born and die in a camp.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51084194]I have a name and reputation to live up to. Sad thing is with climate change and desertification (and the wars/conflicts which follow those) its not like the refugee numbers are going to go down anytime soon. For many, being a refugee will be their experience of life, born and die in a camp.[/QUOTE] I can't begin to imagine what life without ambition and some sort of future hope would be like but sadly mass migration isn't the answer. The world is a cruel place.
[QUOTE=Judas;51083971]B-b-but my fighting age male narrative[/QUOTE] This is about all of them, worldwide. Your argument is used by people when they are talking about the current crisis and refugees coming to Europe. Most of those coming to Europe are not children, they make up only 30%.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51084223]I can't begin to imagine what life without ambition and some sort of future hope would be like but sadly mass migration isn't the answer. The world is a cruel place.[/QUOTE] Do you think there is an answer? Not rhetorical, I accept you have your view, just curious.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51083998]This is the reason why the figures jumped: [url]http://www.thelocal.dk/20150622/refugee-children-in-denmark-found-to-be-adults[/url] The majority claiming to be children are not children. They lie to get asylum granted and to receive more benefits from the country. I bet that if lying about your age was punished by being denied asylum and kicked out, the numbers of child refugees would drop dramatically.[/QUOTE] While there are some nuances to these statistics, there's also a lot to be said with the OP article. The most blaring issue is that it is talking about the wide-world and you can't extrapolate that data to Europe. All in all, it's a pretty on-purpose clickbaity thread that is tangential to what the comments seem to be discussing.
[QUOTE=Firewarrior;51084225]This is about all of them, worldwide. Your argument is used by people when they are talking about the current crisis and refugees coming to Europe. Most of those coming to Europe are not children, they make up only 30%.[/QUOTE] The refugee camps run by the UNHCR in Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, etc. are all massively underfunded and cannot afford to give all the children in them proper, full time education. This education tends to be the number on priority of both parents and children, so quite often the men of the family will travel to Europe, taking the dangerous trip by themselves, in order to secure a place in a country where their kids can get a good education and be brought over safely once they have asylum. Also, the idea that they should stay and fight is ludicrous. Who for? The army who oppressed them for years? Or ISIS? Or maybe one of the other sketchy militias, knowing that whoever they pick their families will be persecuted and possibly killed, raped, tortured and/or kidnapped by another group if they find out, all so they can risk their lives fighting for one of a shit selection of militias none of whom are worth fighting for. [editline]21st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=krakadict;51084010]i'd say 14-17 is fighting age, not children at that age either (plus you need to take in people that has lied about their age aswell)[/QUOTE] You think 14 year olds, that is, children, should be fighting in wars? I honestly don't understand why and have no idea how to respond to that. It's pretty scary that you think that.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51084235]Do you think there is an answer? Not rhetorical, I accept you have your view, just curious.[/QUOTE] As pessimistic as it sounds, No I don't think there is a solution. The EU has a lifespan and I think it's a failed concept, not everyone can live in Europe anyway. Although I often get shot down for my views from a pragmatic point of view it is impossible to help everybody, you have to accept that you cannot solve the world's problems by shifting them geographically. Governments only really pay lip service to solving the world's problems anyway whilst giving massive tax breaks to the corporates and it is the working classes that suffer every time. Most countries already have massive deficits and only keep their heads above water by borrowing excessively and mass migration will only compound their problems and create disillusionment and ghettos which in turn will create more extremism etc.
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;51084311]The refugee camps run by the UNHCR in Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, etc. are all massively underfunded and cannot afford to give all the children in them proper, full time education. [/QUOTE] And aid is being cut to pay for the refugees already in Europe.
Let's not forget that children are easily malleable. Daesh have been training them, indoctrinating them, forcing them to kill prisoners and all with corporal punishment & psychological abuse. Sundowner warned us of this.
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;51084311] You think 14 year olds, that is, children, should be fighting in wars? I honestly don't understand why and have no idea how to respond to that. It's pretty scary that you think that.[/QUOTE] no i dont think 14 year olds should be fighting in wars, i'd rather no one fight wars but it's a sad reality that isn't going away anytime soon.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;51084398]Let's not forget that children are easily malleable. Daesh have been training them, indoctrinating them, forcing them to kill prisoners and all with corporal punishment & psychological abuse. Sundowner warned us of this.[/QUOTE] Let's not forget that kids are kids and they shouldn't be left to be bombed to pieces in some shitty desert.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51084409]Let's not forget that kids are kids and they shouldn't be left to be bombed to pieces in some shitty desert.[/QUOTE] Never said they should be, but we should also be wary and not just get all glossy eyed just cause kids are involved. Test everything about them. [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51084434]Realistically speaking, how many of them are gonna be sleeper terrorists?[/QUOTE] I have no idea - sleeper agents seem more Hollywood than anything, but these kids, growing up in these conditions aren't going to suddenly be like we once were. We can nurture them, try to fix them, but don't expect all of them to see things our way when they're grown adults.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;51084416]Never said they should be, but we should also be wary and not just get all glossy eyed just cause kids are involved. Test everything about them.[/QUOTE] Realistically speaking, how many of them are gonna be sleeper terrorists?
[QUOTE=krakadict;51084400]no i dont think 14 year olds should be fighting in wars, i'd rather no one fight wars but it's a sad reality that isn't going away anytime soon.[/QUOTE] Yes, but you certainly implied that if there is a war, 14-17 year olds should be fighting. [editline]21st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=momoiro;51084355]And aid is being cut to pay for the refugees already in Europe.[/QUOTE] Sure, but it doesn't have to be. That's just how governments are doing it because they'd rather not actually try and tackle the problem which just lets it get worse. Refugees are coming to, and already in Europe. We need to deal with that and we can't deport people to Syria or other war zones for what should be obvious reasons. Therefore we need to a) stop refugees needing to come to Europe by funding more local camps properly, b) find a humane way to house, feed and support refugees already in Europe and c) work towards ending the war in Syria (that ones obvious very tricky and I doubt it'll happen).
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51084247] The world being cruel isnt an excuse to be cruel.[/QUOTE] True, but how would you propose to change that?
[thumb]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/irJc55yA9cU/maxresdefault.jpg[/thumb] [sp]it's a "refugee" clearly in his fucking mid-20s saying 'i may look older, but i am just 17 years old and i can prove it to you' to the Finnish prime minister[/sp] a non-bullshit headline would be "nearly half of adult male refugees claim to be children"
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;51084436]Yes, but you certainly implied that if there is a war, 14-17 year olds should be fighting.[/QUOTE] and you think people in that age bracket isn't fighting in wars right now? have you seen what's going on in africa? the middle east? even younger people are being forced to fight in wars so yeah 14-17 is an ideal age for the terrorists to twist their minds.
[QUOTE=krakadict;51084550]and you think people in that age bracket isn't fighting in wars right now? have you seen what's going on in africa? the middle east? even younger people are being forced to fight in wars so yeah 14-17 is an ideal age for the terrorists to twist their minds.[/QUOTE] Oh I know they are fighting I just disagree that we should expect them to. The argument that they are fighting age is that they should stay and fight when that's insane.
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