We May Have Reached The 'Apocalyptic Scenario' With Antibiotics - Polidicks

[quote]Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Tom Frieden made headlines last year when he proclaimed that the United States would "soon be in a post-antibiotic era," meaning we'd be plagued by everyday infections that our drugs could no longer handle. It appears that age is already on our doorstep. Doctors commonly treat bacterial infections with antibiotics. When one drug doesn't work, they try another. But now, physicians are finding that some of our infections are resistant to even our strongest antibiotics. The worst-case-scenario situation would take humanity about a century back in time in terms of deaths from infections, when 1 in 9 skin infections killed and routine surgeries were considered super risky (since any incision left you open and vulnerable to infection). In India, that scenario may already be unfolding. Last year, 58,000 newborns there died of bacterial infections that didn't respond to antibiotics. "While that is still a fraction of the nearly 800,000 newborns who die annually in India," Gardiner Harris writes in The Times, "Indian pediatricians say that the rising toll of resistant infections could soon swamp efforts to improve India’s abysmal infant death rate." (India already has one of the highest rates of newborn death in the world.) "Five years ago, we almost never saw these kinds of infections," New Delhi neonatologist Neelam Kler told The Times. "Now, close to 100% of the babies referred to us have multi-drug resistant infections. It's scary." [/quote] Source: [url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/we-may-have-reached-the-apocalyptic-scenario-with-antibiotics/ar-BBgt03P[/url]

We still have one true resistance towards all diseases... full body prosthetic.

Nothings going to change for a while since $$$

This isn't controlled enough for my liking. MRSA is real, obviously, but are these doctors able to get all the medications they need? Some hospitals I am aware of only have incredibly basic anti-biotics, and nothing that can defeat MRSA. Not sure of the situation there. Cleanliness is also a concern in some hospitals, which may make MRSA and MRSA-like infections more rampant in situations where they shouldn't. [editline]7th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Madtoker;46664622]Nothings going to change for a while since $$$[/QUOTE] ???

There is actually one antibiotic that they give for MRSA. I can't remember the name off the top of my head but it's just one that works and it's very intensive/strong

there's no money in creating new antibiotics, so no new ones have been produced for a long while. i had a chat with a pharmacist about it, and he's quite worried about it.

But since everyone knows this, and it seems like there's going to be a large demand for new antibiotics soon, why won't there be money in it?

Well guess our bodies are gonna have to adapt.

Don't most antibiotics make you really sick? Or am I thinking of some other kind of treatment?

What sucks is I'm allergic to most stronger antibiotics, so where most folks get a week of 2-3 pills a day I get 2-3 weeks of 4 penicillin a day. And penicillin is one of the ones likely to be too weak soon

[QUOTE=Madtoker;46664622]Nothings going to change for a while since $$$[/QUOTE] How will they make any money if what they're trying to sell isn't working anymore?

We've fucked ourselves into a corner. We abused the fuck out of these drugs, enough for all the bacteria to evolve against all our drugs. Our only choice now is to let our bodies fight it off. Medicine can't help us right now. My advice guys, is to start eating healthy and being healthy.

Maybe we can strategically infect people with "good" bacteria or something, compete with the "bad" bacteria for nutrients but are less harmful to people? Natural selection and such.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;46665004]We've fucked ourselves into a corner. We abused the fuck out of these drugs, enough for all the bacteria to evolve against all our drugs. Our only choice now is to let our bodies fight it off. Medicine can't help us right now. My advice guys, is to start eating healthy and being healthy.[/QUOTE] well part of the problem isn't just doctors abusing, at all. The risk of doctors being sued because they [I]don't[/I] prescribe antibiotics is so much higher than the worst that could happen if they do. Therein lies another problem, a lot of people when prescribed these antibiotics stop taking them when they feel better but that is literally the [I]absolute worst[/I] thing you could do, since not all of the bacteria are dead yet and some could recover or return (giving the patient symptoms or leading to resistant bacteria). The complete treatment may be overkill, but its overkill for a good reason- all the bacteria need to be absolutely, [I]positively[/I], 100% obliterated. And cutting treatments short does not do that. So its not that simple of a problem. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] oh source is that i asked my dad why antibiotics were so overprescribed which lead to that answer and then the bit about patients just not listening

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[QUOTE=Ardosos;46664959]Don't most antibiotics make you really sick? Or am I thinking of some other kind of treatment?[/QUOTE] Antibiotics can have some nasty side-effects, but the risks of not taking them are so much worse than the side effects can be.

[QUOTE=woolio1;46665063]Antibiotics can have some nasty side-effects, but the risks of not taking them are so much worse than the side effects can be.[/QUOTE] for one almost all antibiotics will cause some gut "difficulties" as the microflora and your gut biome is nuked. Antibiotics don't discriminate between mean nasty bacteria and the kind that help your digestion

I remember my doctor giving my antibiotics for a wisdom tooth infection and it made me puke 10 times in 3 days when I say puke I mean my eyes turned piss yellow and red because I puked so god damn hard from the meds

[QUOTE=Ardosos;46665023]Maybe we can strategically infect people with "good" bacteria or something, compete with the "bad" bacteria for nutrients but are less harmful to people? Natural selection and such.[/QUOTE] 99.99% of bacteria in our bodies is "good" or "neutral" and do exactly this by outcompeting more harmful bacteria. In fact, their presence is actually necessary for survival because they help process and create nutrients and vitamins our bodies can't naturally convert directly from food. The systems that don't have these present already would be inconvenienced even by "good" bacteria because they'd decrease work efficiency (i.e. the bloodstream or nerves).

Haven't we been in this era for the past 20 years?

What about making nano suits for white blood cells?

[QUOTE=Hollosoulja;46665156]What about making nano suits for white blood cells?[/QUOTE] SHUT UR DAMN WHITE PRIVILEGED BLOOD CELL VESSELS!

please tell me this is an exaggeration that sounds sensationalist as fuck

Thats a shame. Was really hoping the zombie apocalypse would happen. Much better chance of survival there.

[QUOTE=J!NX;46665091]I remember my doctor giving my antibiotics for a wisdom tooth infection and it made me puke 10 times in 3 days when I say puke I mean my eyes turned piss yellow and red because I puked so god damn hard from the meds[/QUOTE] sure you didn't just have blood leaking into your stomach? that'll easily cause that shit to happen. when I got my wisdom teeth out I didn't replace the gauze on one side well enough and it leaked down my throat (and I couldn't really tell because painkillers) and it made me vomit a ridiculous amount. antibiotics didn't cause anything like that.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;46665224]sure you didn't just have blood leaking into your stomach? that'll easily cause that shit to happen. when I got my wisdom teeth out I didn't replace the gauze on one side well enough and it leaked down my throat (and I couldn't really tell because painkillers) and it made me vomit a ridiculous amount. antibiotics didn't cause anything like that.[/QUOTE] this was pre-removal they gave me different anti biotics and it stopped immediately

fuuuuuuck

[QUOTE=grumble;46665183]please tell me this is an exaggeration that sounds sensationalist as fuck[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's kinda sensationalist. While anti-biotic resistance is bad, we're talking about nearly 60,000 deaths caused by lack of working antibiotics, out of around 800,000 infant deaths. Whatever is causing the other 740,000 deaths probably has some impact on the lack of access to working antibiotics. Australia only had 1,031 infant deaths in 2012, a lot of it is down to the quality of the health care you get.

Humanity has taken hygiene and health way too far, relying on antibiotics and such, rather than our own immunity system. The immunity system is degrading and dying, soon we'll need medication to survive basic diseases.

[QUOTE=Str4fe;46665325]Humanity has taken hygiene and health way too far, relying on antibiotics and such, rather than our own immunity system. The immunity system is degrading and dying, soon we'll need medication to survive basic diseases.[/QUOTE] People today aren't much worse at resisting common diseases today than they were before. Back in the day pneumonia would get you really sick and possible kill you, today it will just make you really sick. (unless you have some condition that weakens your immune system) Basically when we enter the post-antibiotic age we will not be more fucked than we were before antibiotics, we will just be fucked but still better off than we were before antibiotics. (Because we have other forms of modern medicine that they didn't have before that won't go away) Edit: Forgot the flu is a virus :v: