[Jordan] Christian journalist murdered after being charged with insulting Islam
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[QUOTE]Mr Hattar died after being shot three times and the gunman was reportedly arrested. Witnesses told AFP that the shooting took place in front of the court house in Amman, the Jordanian capital. [/quote]
[quote]The 56-year-old writer was arrested in August after posting a cartoon mocking jihadists on his Facebook account. Mr Hattar was charged with inciting sectarian strife and insulting Islam before being released on bail in early September.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/25/christian-writer-shot-dead-in-jordan-after-being-charged-with-in/[/url]
Mocking JIHADISTS. jesus christ, its not even prophet mockery or muslims in general, its mockery of people who blow themselves up and kill innocent people.
Some ass backwards laws that you can get arrested for that. Some ass backwards place that you can actually get shot for it.
RELIGION OF PEACE
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[QUOTE=Nitro836;51103103]RELIGION OF PEACE[/QUOTE]
Nice one.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51103103]RELIGION OF PEACE[/QUOTE]
Religious fanatics murdering people for mocking their religion has never been exclusive to Islam. It's in the spotlight at the moment, but there's no shortage of crazy Christians either.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51103103]RELIGION OF PEACE[/QUOTE]
I love how that instead of making an educated response to an article, you slam your face on the keyboard like a monkey, and regurgitate something you'd see in Youtube comments. Stellar post.
However, keep in mind this is the first time that someone's been killed due to these circumstances in Jordan, and even the article states:
[QUOTE]Christians make up only around 4 per cent of Jordan's 8 million residents but they live in relative affluence and usually in peace with country' Muslim majority.
Nine seats in the 130-seat parliament are reserved for them and they hold prominent positions in the business sector and Jordan, a key Western ally, presents itself as a staunch defender of minority groups.
During his speech to the United Nations last week, Jordan's King Abdullah said: "Every citizen is guaranteed the state’s protection for their lives, families, properties, honour, privacy, and freedom of religion and thought."[/QUOTE]
These laws are ass-backwards, but this is an extreme case, out of the ordinary. The big problem is the influx of radicalism in the country due to the fighting in Syria, and how a majority of the population supports the rebels and fighters in the region, not the Assad regime. Tie in with the fact that the Jordanian government doesn't want to seem as though they're slowly being eaten up by radicalists to the world, and you have this specific case.
[QUOTE=Ax3l;51103146]Religious fanatics murdering people for mocking their religion has never been exclusive to Islam. It's in the spotlight at the moment, but there's no shortage of crazy Christians either.[/QUOTE]
That spotlight has been shining for a couple centuries now
@Omilinon:
Yes, this is true; I am a Jordanian atheist from a Christian family and I have never had any problems here.
Jordan is a very peaceful country and we rarely have such problems.
What happened today, however, is devastating and horrible. But keep in mind that he was [B]illegally murdered[/B] by [B]radicals[/B].
[QUOTE=Ax3l;51103146]Religious fanatics murdering people for mocking their religion has never been exclusive to Islam. It's in the spotlight at the moment, but there's no shortage of crazy Christians either.[/QUOTE]
I'ts pretty fucking exclusive to islam these days.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51103333]I'ts pretty fucking exclusive to islam these days.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Council_of_Nagaland[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army[/url]
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51103347][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Council_of_Nagaland[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army[/url][/QUOTE]
But you see, those don't affect Western people, so basically they don't exist :^)
Seriously. A lot of you need to read a history book. Specifically the part where Jews were murdered en mass because of their religion and their race by... oh that's right, Christian-influenced atheists.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51103347][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Council_of_Nagaland[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army[/url][/QUOTE]
Yes, islam is not alone in being a dogshit ideology. Got me there.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51103391]Yes, islam is not alone in being a dogshit ideology. Got me there.[/QUOTE]
That's not what you said, this is what you said:
[quote]I'ts pretty fucking exclusive to islam these days. [/quote]
And well you were proven wrong. But of course instead of admitting that you're going to double down on your blatant ignorance.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51103391]Yes, islam is not alone in being a dogshit ideology. Got me there.[/QUOTE]
You said it was exclusive to islam, and were proven wrong. So yeah, got you good there.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51103365]But you see, those don't affect Western people, so basically they don't exist :^)
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That's ridiculous. You can't blame people for criticizing radical islam if we're talking about safety in the west. They do exist, and they're terrible, but that's not the point.
You're just trying to spin the argument into a smug nonsensical way in which it isn't used.
Fact is, these cells do not operate as much in europe as radical islamist cells do. And that's why the topic at hand is radical islam. Don't try to spin and handwave it away in such a fashion.
[editline]25th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=DeEz;51103423]You said it was exclusive to islam, and were proven wrong. So yeah, got you good there.[/QUOTE]
Well that's true, it's obviously not exclusive. But it is mainly radical Islam in the areas about which we should be first and foremost concerned. Saying a problem doesn't exist won't make it go away.
[QUOTE=SirJon;51103427]Saying a problem doesn't exist won't make it go away.[/QUOTE]
No one is saying this here lol.
[QUOTE=DeEz;51103423]You said it was exclusive to islam, and were proven wrong. So yeah, got you good there.[/QUOTE]
Stack up Violence committed by Islamic extremists, and stack up violence committed by christian extremists. You will find That islam has a vast monopoly. So no i wasn't proven wrong.
[QUOTE=SirJon;51103427]That's ridiculous. You can't blame people for criticizing radical islam if we're talking about safety in the west. They do exist, and they're terrible, but that's not the point.
You're just trying to spin the argument into a smug nonsensical way in which it isn't used.
Fact is, these cells do not operate as much in europe as radical islamist cells do. And that's why the topic at hand is radical islam. Don't try to spin and handwave it away in such a fashion.[/QUOTE]
I was specifically responding to this post:
[quote]I'ts pretty fucking exclusive to islam these days. [/quote]
Which is why I was being smug in that I knew exactly what was about to happen: said poster in question would refuse to actually take that on board and would instead double down on their ignorance.
I have no qulems with people criticising extreme Muslims or extreme Islam movements. But so many of these critics do it from a position of ignorance and hate and tend to paint about 1 billion people with the same brush. I have read of the times when Catholics were also painted with the same brush by a lot of British people, and being Irish in England could result in you being searched, or being refused a job or being treated as if you were a killer.
Despite the fact, of course, so many Irish people were opposed to the IRA and their killings - and we suffered the same attacks too.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51103436]Stack up Violence committed by Islamic extremists, and stack up violence committed by christian extremists. You will find That islam has a vast monopoly. So no i wasn't proven wrong.[/QUOTE]
Move the goalposts all you like but you were wrong.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51103347][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Council_of_Nagaland[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51103437]I was specifically responding to this post:
Which is why I was being smug in that I knew exactly what was about to happen: said poster in question would refuse to actually take that on board and would instead double down on their ignorance.
I have no qulems with people criticising extreme Muslims or extreme Islam movements. But so many of these critics do it from a position of ignorance and hate and tend to paint about 1 billion people with the same brush. I have read of the times when Catholics were also painted with the same brush by a lot of British people, and being Irish in England could result in you being searched, or being refused a job or being treated as if you were a killer.
Despite the fact, of course, so many Irish people were opposed to the IRA and their killings - and we suffered the same attacks too.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, by all means.
[editline]25th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=DeEz;51103434]No one is saying this here lol.[/QUOTE]
You're right, I got a bit carried away.
[editline]25th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51103436]Stack up Violence committed by Islamic extremists, and stack up violence committed by christian extremists. You will find That islam has a vast monopoly. So no i wasn't proven wrong.[/QUOTE]
Well that depends, which part of the world are we talking about? Africa is notorious for having problems with radical Christian terror cells aswell.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51103437]I have no qualms with people criticising extreme Muslims or extreme Islam movements. But so many of these critics do it from a position of ignorance and hate and tend to paint about 1 billion people with the same brush..[/QUOTE]
Oh the delicious irony. You like to stand way up there in the clouds of your personal indignation. Proclaiming boldly that 'all of these people(like me)' are hateful and ignorant for painting people with broad brushes.
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[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51103453]Oh the delicious irony. You like to stand way up there in the clouds of your personal indignation. Proclaiming boldly that 'all of these people(like me)' are hateful and ignorant for painting people with broad brushes.[/QUOTE]
Yes. You are. Because painting people with broad brushes refuses to recognise the fact that members of the religion are individuals who have their own lives and opinions, and are not all going to automatically hate Christians, or commit extremist acts, etc. And I specifically said 'so many' - not all.
But yes, ignore the rest of my post because you can't form an actual reply to it. You're really ensuring that ignorance claim of mine sticks.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51103453]Oh the delicious irony. You like to stand way up there in the clouds of your personal indignation. Proclaiming boldly that 'all of these people(like me)' are hateful and ignorant for painting people with broad brushes.[/QUOTE]
Now you're just shitposting.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51103453]Oh the delicious irony. You like to stand way up there in the clouds of your personal indignation. Proclaiming boldly that 'all of these people(like me)' are hateful and ignorant for painting people with broad brushes.[/QUOTE]
That's an awfully broad brush to paint his broad-brushed criticism of broad brushes with, bro.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51103365]Seriously. A lot of you need to read a history book. Specifically the part where Jews were murdered en mass because of their religion and their race by... oh that's right, Christian-influenced atheists.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and we went in and steamrolled their racist asses into pavement. Nowadays, this kind of thing gets a passive aggressive letter from the UN and a few fireworks on the ground.
[QUOTE=Smoot;51103491]Yeah, and we went in and steamrolled their racist asses into pavement. Nowadays, this kind of thing gets a passive aggressive letter from the UN and a few fireworks on the ground.[/QUOTE]
You're really taking my comparison way, way out of context if you think you can say that.
Tell me, how successful was American intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq again? That really dealt with Al Quadia and the terrorism problem, didn't it?
EDIT:
Oh, and forgive my increasing smugness, but while you have correctly identified the Nazis as racist, it's a little bit of kettle calling pot black considering the treatment of black people and black soldiers in America and the interment of Japanese citizens around that period.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51103347][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Council_of_Nagaland[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army[/url][/QUOTE]
First one has about three or four paragraphs of information on those militias, with no sources detailing or so much as estimating their strength. In fact, on the subject of Christianity, the article says that a number of the militiamen affiliated with the movement are not Christians-- they practice Animism. Apparently these militias were also formed in a response to the Central African Republic's president being overthrown by the Muslim rebel group [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9l%C3%A9ka]Seleka[/url], who installed one of their guys as president. Second one, the NLFT, has an estimated 550-850 members. That's tiny. Third one, the NSCN, has around 4,500 fighters according to the Myanmar Peace Monitor. Bigger than the others, but still not particularly impressive. They're also not exclusively Christian; they're self-proclaimed Maoists and Naga nationalists. And finally, the LRA [i]had[/i] between 200 and 250 fighters four years ago in 2012, according to Uganda's defense minister. That's even more pathetic than the NLFT. Apparently, one of the bigger reasons why they formed in the first place had more to do with poverty and social/economic marginalization by other ethnic groups against them where they operate. They also practice Acholi nationalism.
Forgive my insensitivity, but I'm not seeing how these groups are anywhere near to being as relevant as the Islamic rebel groups in the Middle East are right now. ISIS has anywhere between 47,000 and 258,000 fighters... we don't actually know, but it's a metric fuckload compared to those Christian groups. Al-Nusra in Syria has around 15,000+ fighters. Al-Qaeda has anywhere between 24,500 and 39,500. Al-Shabaab has between 7,000 and 9,000 fighters. For that matter, Boko Haram in Africa before it was defeated had about 9,000 fighters; jihadi groups in Africa are still a significant problem even without them. And so on. The other issue when people try to make these comparisons is that the Christian groups in Africa and Asia tend not to be singularly Christian, they also tend to evoke strong nationalistic elements into their ideology. You take a group like al-Qaeda, this simply isn't the case; they're purely an Islamist movement that doesn't care a damn about nationalism-- only religion. Those Christian groups also tend to restrict themselves to their own little regions of interest and don't conduct mass attacks abroad the way Islamic groups do.
Islamic religious fanaticism is a greater threat to the security and peace of the world right now than Christian religious fanaticism is. While there are Christian terror groups, Islamic terror groups are of far greater issue at this time-- not only because there's just more of them ([i]a lot[/i] more), but because they especially like to operate internationally and threaten everybody and anybody who doesn't agree with their worldview. I'm sorry, but these attempts to equate them as being one in the same, "just as bad" in other words, simply do not hold up under the facts of the situation. They're not just as bad, they're not even comparable. One is clearly a greater threat than the other is, to us and to the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51103365]But you see, those don't affect Western people, so basically they don't exist :^)
Seriously. A lot of you need to read a history book. Specifically the part where Jews were murdered en mass because of their religion and their race by... oh that's right, Christian-influenced atheists.[/QUOTE]
[B]Were[/B] murdered en mass.
We should look back to mistakes humanity made to learn from them, not to justify what happens today.
[QUOTE=DMGaina;51103651][B]Were[/B] murdered en mass.
We should look back to mistakes humanity made to learn from them, not to justify what happens today.[/QUOTE]
At what point did I justify anything? I was trying to say that the poster I was replying to was wilfully ignorant - I wasn't try to justify extremism of any kind.
I am of course opposed to extremism of this kind and I'm disgusted by this case. But claiming that Islamic extremism is the only extremism out there is rich, as indicated by Zone's post.
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