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[QUOTE]Four out of 10 teachers have experienced violence from pupils in the past year, a survey for the ATL teachers union suggests. Of those who had experienced violence, 77% said they had been pushed, and around half were kicked or had an object thrown at them. Nine out of 10 staff had dealt with challenging behaviour, such as swearing or shouting, in the past year. Staff have greater powers to deal with poor behaviour, the government said. However, 45% of the 1,250-strong panel of teachers surveyed across England, Wales and Northern Ireland said they felt pupil behaviour had got worse in the past two years. Teachers in Scotland were not included in the survey.
One special needs worker at a Bedfordshire primary school said she had been stabbed in the head with a pencil, while a teacher at a Suffolk secondary academy said she had been "sprayed in the face with deodorant". In a third case, a support worker at a secondary school in Cheshire said a chair had been thrown that hit her leg. A teaching assistant at a Rochdale primary school claimed: "Staff are regularly verbally abused with very little consequences. Occasionally pupils physically attack members of staff, but this rarely leads to a day's exclusion."[/QUOTE]
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We need ex-wrestlers as teachers so we can suplex kids who act like shits.
I've saw a tech teacher have a chisel thrown at him and it stuck into the wall right next to his head. Probably would have killed the poor bastard.
And they say banning the meter stick as a punishment device was a good thing.
Something is seriously wrong when shit is allowed to persist.
Train Gurkhas as teachers, watch order form in real time.
Or maybe give local authorities the funding to actually weed out bad parents and to help stage interventions? Would be more effective than cutting their budgets and watching as they have to pull back services.
[QUOTE=MIPS;49636742]And they say banning the meter stick as a punishment device was a good thing.
Something is seriously wrong when shit is allowed to persist.[/QUOTE]
It was because beating kids with sticks is wrong and kids just got more violent.
My uncle was the prime example they tried to give him the stick and he just fought the teachers who tried to do it.
Wouldn't be a problem if shithead parents didn't raise their kids to also be shitheads. Wouldn't that be a great world to live in.
Teachers who get physically assaulted by their students should have the legal right to kick the shit in of the little fuckers.
Maybe have ex-wrestlers in the classroom like suggested above or former cops/military in the room as bodyguards.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49636910]Teachers who get physically assaulted by their students should have the legal right to kick the shit in of the little fuckers.
Maybe have ex-wrestlers in the classroom like suggested above or former cops/military in the room as bodyguards.[/QUOTE]
No. They should just be banned from returning to that school forever.
I got a substitute music teacher once who was a black guy really good at guitar and was an American so people were curious, he showed us pics of his time in the 101st Airborne and boom the nicest class to be in even the naughty lot were totally different.
[editline]30th January 2016[/editline]
You may be onto something with that though.
[QUOTE=MIPS;49636742]And they say banning the meter stick as a punishment device was a good thing.
Something is seriously wrong when shit is allowed to persist.[/QUOTE]
Jesus, kids hitting teachers is not going to be fixed by teachers hitting kids.
There was a kid at my secondary school and who struck a teacher once, and the kid and his family were told he was going to be expelled at the end of the term, and they have that time to find a new school. This seems like the best option, but in reality it's just shifting around the problem. I don't think there is a one size fits all solution, when a lot of the "bad" kids will be completely unique cases and there simply aren't enough staff to deal with each pupil individually. So cases just become more prevalent and teachers can't do anything.
For a second I thought she was teaching those kids Laplace transforms..
I don't think violence per se is the best go-to solution for most kinds of infractions, but the second it gets violent I think something's gotta happen; teachers should be able to belt the living shit out of a student that puts them or someone else in a position where they may actually be seriously physically harmed, and they shouldn't fear losing their job as a result (though it should be a last resort).
Yes, violence can breed violence quite easily, but at the same time a lack of retaliation to violent individuals also breeds a mindset in those individuals that violence is a way of getting what they want and that nobody will challenge them. The mindset that 'violence doesn't solve anything' is merely breeding generations of humans with an even bigger gulf than ever before between bullies and victims (and eventually those violent bullies will grow up and possibly become thugs); the bullies don't give a shit about that rule, and anyone too scared to already defend themselves has the added fear of getting in trouble for actually doing so. Shit's fucked.
[QUOTE=sltungle;49637189]I don't think violence per se is the best go-to solution for most kinds of infractions, but the second it gets violent I think something's gotta happen; teachers should be able to belt the living shit out of a student that puts them or someone else in a position where they may actually be seriously physically harmed, and they shouldn't fear losing their job as a result (though it should be a last resort).
Yes, violence can breed violence quite easily, but at the same time a lack of retaliation to violent individuals also breeds a mindset in those individuals that violence is a way of getting what they want and that nobody will challenge them. The mindset that 'violence doesn't solve anything' is merely breeding generations of humans with an even bigger gulf than ever before between bullies and victims (and eventually those violent bullies will grow up and possibly become thugs); the bullies don't give a shit about that rule, and anyone too scared to already defend themselves has the added fear of getting in trouble for actually doing so. Shit's fucked.[/QUOTE]
Isn't this covered under self-defence? It would definitely cause a huge paper trail but I'd be very surprised if even the school system could take disciplinary measures in that case.
(Here in Germany teachers also can handle violent pupils by documenting incidents and escalating them through the administration/whatever. It seems [I]relatively[/I] straightforward to get them removed from class if the issue persists, since they'd otherwise pose a danger.)
Send them down the salt mines
being educated in a british comprehensive school, one of the things that I think about looking back on it is how a lot of the kids who were violent and disruptive almost definitely had undiagonsed mental illness issues.
And it's not that crazy a thought, a lot of these kids grow up in violent abusive households, the possibility of PTSD and violent tendencies is bound to arise
It's a shame there's no real way to try and help them with this if the parents don't care
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;49636975]Jesus, kids hitting teachers is not going to be fixed by teachers hitting kids.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I mean, yes it's wrong and should be considered immoral to do something like that, but at the same time, most of the kids that I know of have no respect for the education system and know that the teachers cant even lay a finger on them if they dont want to do something. If they want to throw shit at each other the teachers can only raise their voices and keep the kids back after school or during lunch or something. And again, they dont care about that since that's not even any real punishment, that's just being made to sit somewhere until they learn their lesson.
It could be put down to lousy parenting but teachers need to have more power in situations like this. Not in terms of bringing back the cane, but just being able to make them understand that if they want to have tantrums there's gonna be fuckin' problems when they do.
Should be allowed to threaten legal action on the parents for violent acts against teachers.
[editline]30th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;49639056]I disagree. I mean, yes it's wrong and should be considered immoral to do something like that, but at the same time, most of the kids that I know of have no respect for the education system and know that the teachers cant even lay a finger on them if they dont want to do something. If they want to throw shit at each other the teachers can only raise their voices and keep the kids back after school or during lunch or something. And again, they dont care about that since that's not even any real punishment, that's just being made to sit somewhere until they learn their lesson.
It could be put down to lousy parenting but teachers need to have more power in situations like this. Not in terms of bringing back the cane, but just being able to make them understand that if they want to have tantrums there's gonna be fuckin' problems when they do.[/QUOTE]
Corporal punishment typically has the opposite effect, making children more angry than not.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49639161]Should be allowed to threaten legal action on the parents for violent acts against teachers.[/QUOTE]
Should be expulsion at least.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49639169]Should be expulsion at least.[/QUOTE]
I think a fine would be better. Probably most of the kids who cause trouble are from poorer socioeconomic families, nothing would hurt those parents more than like a $1,000 fine because they failed as parents.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;49639488]I think a fine would be better. Probably most of the kids who cause trouble are from poorer socioeconomic families, nothing would hurt those parents more than like a $1,000 fine because they failed as parents.[/QUOTE]
Of course that'd probably just make things worse for the child and not actually solve the problem.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49639792]Of course that'd probably just make things worse for the child and not actually solve the problem.[/QUOTE]
It would encourage parents to actually discipline their children, so that they don't get fined. Preventing undesirable behaviour is why fines exist in the first place.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;49639809]It would encourage parents to actually discipline their children, so that they don't get fined. Preventing undesirable behaviour is why fines exist in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Since when has the threat of fines been enough to stop people being terrible?
Jesus, that's a high figure.
I'm assuming this is more commonly seen in inner city schools?
I live fairly rurally and even the worst people in my classes were just annoying people who'd only verbally abuse teachers.
That shit is actually crazy, I don't know the situation in the UK but it's the complete opposite in Western Canada.
A teacher can verbally abuse a student and still be teaching the next day.
A student can verbally abuse a teacher and that student will be put in an Alternative School within a week if the child proves to be unstable.
[QUOTE=redback3;49636733]We need ex-wrestlers as teachers so we can suplex kids who act like shits.[/QUOTE]
Fun fact, one of my teachers was an ex-wrestler. He actually ended up taking a kid out after he drew a knife on another student.
If it's anything like the US, then the vast majority of issues related to student misbehavior has to do with parents giving no support to the teachers and/or not being involved at all. Teachers, no matter how good, can't fix a decade of bad parenting.
I've seen chairs thrown in classrooms before, and that's scary shit for everyone involved, luckily nobody was hurt.
The teacher couldn't do anything but justice was eventually served when a friend of mine decked him as soon as they were past the gate.
[QUOTE=Jackald;49642574]Ding ding ding. Parents want the teachers to fucking raise their kids for them.
"Hey make sure you read to your kid every night to help improve his literacy. Also sit down with your kid and help them with their homework, it helps to have someone reinforcing their learning from home."
and then later the parent is all
"WHY IS JOHNNY NOT LEARNING ARE YOU NOT TEACHING HIM PROPERLY?!"
and the teacher's like
"Well did you read with him and do homework with him?"
"NO I WAS TOO BUSY WITH WORK AND HAD TO LEAVE HIM AT A CHILDMINDERS' FOR 4 DAYS A WEEK, I LOVE MY SON I THINK HIS NAME WAS JIMMY?"[/QUOTE]
Hell, from stories I have heard, many kids aren't even toilet trained when they come into Reception. One or two accidents are obviously going to happen at that age, but kids not being able to go unassisted? Yeah.
Then there are the difficulties with getting parents to engage and read to their kids and such. Maybe it's the fact that you can no longer survive on single income so the parents are both working increasing hours, maybe it is just parents who don't give a shit, maybe both, but I swear to god I knew how to go toilet as a 4 year old.
Schools are barely funded enough to teach (our grades are nationally shit compared to other countries), let alone to teach them how to take a shit and wipe it. Hell, a primary school teacher is paid fuck all, and it doesn't exactly have the prestige it deserves - these guys are raising the entire next generation in their formative years where everything matters, and get seen as glorified child minders by parents and society.
Tbh i think this extends beyond the level of necessarily being 100% the kids fault, sure they're little shits but they get it from somewhere, remember there's a lot of fucking awful parents out there and they are having more and more kids.
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