Trump wants to mobilize up to 100K National Guard troops for immigration roundups (not fake news) - Polidicks

[quote]Friday morning, the Associated Press dropped a bombshell report: “Trump administration considers mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants,” the new agency’s Twitter account announced. The hubbub that followed, as the White House denied the report, is a case study in the strange dance between the press and the Trump administration, and the complicated environment of information asymmetry, and misinformation, that characterizes the current moment in American politics. And it shows how the Trump administration deflects genuine reporting by caricaturing it, sometimes clumsily, as “fake news.” ... Within minutes, in fact, Trump officials denied the story, on the record, to reporters. Press Secretary Sean Spicer spoke to a White House reporters as President Trump prepared to leave for a trip to South Carolina, saying, “That is 100% not true. It is false. It is irresponsible to be saying this. There is no effort at all to round up, to utilize the National Guard to round up illegal immigrants.” But Spicer’s comment added two interesting wrinkles. First, he scolded the AP for not seeking comment before publishing the story. But as a reporter responded, the AP had asked both the White House and the Department of Homeland Security for comment multiple times before publication, and had received nothing. Spicer also said, “It is not a White House document.” That statement was intriguing, because Spicer wasn’t denying that the memo was real; he was only saying it came from outside the White House. But that didn’t conflict with the AP report, which said the memo was written by Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly. “I don’t know what could potentially be out there, but I know that there is no effort to do what is potentially suggested,” Spicer added. Meanwhile, other reporters were trying to get DHS to explain what was going on. [media]https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/832621887293321216[/media] [B]In other words, the memo was in fact real.[/B] The full text was available online within about 90 minutes of the original AP tweet. It is hardly a skimpy document—it’s full of bullet points, legal citations, and footnotes. And it also offered some clarity. The clause the AP report referenced involved inviting states to enroll guardsmen in the existing federal 287(g) program that authorizes state law-enforcement officials “to perform the functions of an immigration officer” with respect to “the investigation, apprehension, and detention of aliens.” Notably, that would require the governors of individual states to decide whether or how to participate, and it is framed as an expansion of current efforts rather than a dramatic shift in policy. Still unresolved is the question of how serious a proposal the memorandum may be, or whether it remains under active consideration. [B]There are a range of possibilities: It had been considered but rejected as outlandish. It’s part of a plan that’s still in drafting. Maybe someone asked Kelly what it would take to expel a huge number of immigrants, and this was his back-of-the-envelope calculation. [/B]This is a question that DHS could have resolved by commenting to the AP before publication. [/quote] [url]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-brief-and-wondrous-life-of-a-leaked-trump-memo/517149/?utm_source=nl-atlantic-daily-021717[/url] Source of memo: [url]https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8001743/Implementing_the_President_s_Border_Security_and_Immigration_Enforcement....0.pdf[/url] Also in the article, a larger discussion about the role of media and its relationship with the new White House: [quote]The DHS memo is not the first time we’ve seen this pattern. In January, The New York Times obtained a draft memo about reinstituting CIA “black sites” and potentially bringing back torture programs. Then, too, Spicer said it was “not a White House document” and said he had “no idea where it came from.” Little has been heard about the black-site plan since then. ... Yet there’s a risk, too, of outrage exhaustion. Having big blowups over draft memos, which Spicer can then deny, goes some way to inoculating the administration against further damage, because the story has already been in the public domain. The final result may not be quite as outlandish as it initially appeared, but it might be important—yet by then, exhaustion has set in. Here’s a pithy summary of the cycle: [media]https://twitter.com/KT_So_It_Goes/status/832619012005695488[/media][/quote] Old thread was closed for being supposedly debunked by White House, but DHS confirmed. Recycled same title for clarity, and also because I had a hard time fitting the "not fake news" bit in there.

Alright, you know how usually I come into a thread and lay a big shit about how people should stop fearmongering? I think I can concede and say, probably worry a little bit now. There's something about an "immigration round up" using the national guard that puts me off a little bit.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51838971]Alright, you know how usually I come into a thread and lay a big shit about how people should stop fearmongering? I think I can concede and say, probably worry a little bit now. There's something about an "immigration round up" using the national guard that puts me off a little bit.[/QUOTE] Hold your horses, there's still a lot we don't know. [quote]Still unresolved is the question of how serious a proposal the memorandum may be, or whether it remains under active consideration. There are a range of possibilities: It had been considered but rejected as outlandish. It’s part of a plan that’s still in drafting. Maybe someone asked Kelly what it would take to expel a huge number of immigrants, and this was his back-of-the-envelope calculation. This is a question that DHS could have resolved by commenting to the AP before publication.[/quote] I'll add this paragraph to the OP, it won't hurt any.

Wasn't this debunked earlier today? And its also kinda well know that the pentagon formulates/revises/scraps hundreds of these memo's a year. And this one is a low level plan thats pretty much not going anywhere. And you're blatantly fearmongering.

[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;51838994] And you're blatantly fearmongering.[/QUOTE] He is going out of his way not to fearmonger.

[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;51838994]Wasn't this debunked earlier today? And its also kinda well know that the pentagon formulates/revises/scraps hundreds of these memo's a year. And this one is a low level plan thats pretty much not going anywhere. And you're blatantly fearmongering.[/QUOTE] From the OP: [quote]Within minutes, in fact, Trump officials denied the story, on the record, to reporters. Press Secretary Sean Spicer spoke to a White House reporters as President Trump prepared to leave for a trip to South Carolina, saying, “That is 100% not true. It is false. It is irresponsible to be saying this. There is no effort at all to round up, to utilize the National Guard to round up illegal immigrants.” ... Meanwhile, other reporters were trying to get DHS to explain what was going on. ... [B]In other words, the memo was in fact real. [/B]The full text was available online within about 90 minutes of the original AP tweet.[/quote] From the article, not in the OP: [quote]Washington veterans are inclined to see this memo, like the black-site one, as a trial balloon, in which the administration allows a proposal to leak, gauges reaction, and then either disclaims it or moves forward depending on what sort of reception the idea receives. [B]But just because something is possibly a trial balloon doesn’t mean that it’s not newsworthy and important.[/B][/quote] It was 'Debunked' by the White House, but the DHS then confirmed it. Since then the full text was made available. So it's a real memo that existed. And even if it was a plan that wasn't going anywhere, which it may very well be, it doesn't make it not newsworthy.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51839001]He is going out of his way not to fearmonger.[/QUOTE] Reading the OP is for liberal pussies.

[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;51838994]Wasn't this debunked earlier today.[/QUOTE] Did you even read the article?

I guess we're rounding up illegal immigrants for this year's Jade Helm. Should make for a nice change of pace from confiscating everyone's guns.

[quote]As with so many other incidents, it’s a Rorschach test for views on the administration. If you’re inclined to view the Trump team as bumbling and incompetent, then this shows their foolishness in not simply resolving the AP’s questions ahead of time, and suggests that Spicer is out of the loop on what’s going on inside the government. If you’re inclined to view the Trump team as evil geniuses, then it’s a brilliant gambit, suckering the AP into looking bad by reporting the memo, and only denying it after the fact, thus undermining trust in the media.[/quote] This. Very much this. This, and other similar incidents, only furthers entrenches people in their belief.

You know what Trump Supporters are saying, He has proposed this to see who was the leaker. And a lot of National guardsman of the conservative variety are pissed we compared them to Nazi's for wanting the national guard to help enforce the law.

[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;51839010]Did you even read the article?[/QUOTE] I did. But I'm so skeptical. Edit- I should not argue when tired and hungry.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51839096]You know what Trump Supporters are saying, He has proposed this to see who was the leaker. And a lot of National guardsman of the conservative variety are pissed we compared them to Nazi's for wanting the national guard to help enforce the law.[/QUOTE] National guard isn't suppose to enforce the law, though.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51839330]National guard isn't suppose to enforce the law, though.[/QUOTE] Not while under Federal control, no, unless the situation devolves to the point where use of the Insurrection Act is warranted.

This along with Michigan becoming a border zone is doing wonders for my anxiety [editline]18th February 2017[/editline] Forgive me if this is false or late but there was an update [url]http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-18/donald-trump-white-house-denies-immigration-national-guard/8282720?pfmredir=sm[/url]

Just a question, if Trump do manage to get the National Guard to force out all illegal and legal migrant workers, what next? I am curious.

[QUOTE=BCell;51840773]Just a question, if Trump do manage to get the National Guard to force out all illegal and legal migrant workers, what next? I am curious.[/QUOTE] Legal challenges, upsurge in protests, yet more talk of impeachment. Probably even worse than what we saw from the executive order. I think even Trump recognizes just how much a move like that would hurt him.

[QUOTE=BCell;51840773]Just a question, if Trump do manage to get the National Guard to force out all illegal and legal migrant workers, what next? I am curious.[/QUOTE] Violence and unrest, can't imagine people would take it lying down. You'd be putting members of the National Guard in danger, especially if they're faced up against gun owners.