Trump Regression Continues, This Time Senate Feels The Full Force of Regression
The United States of America FUCKING SUCKS NOW, ITS FUCKING SHIT
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ISP'S, under this bill, would have the right to...:
[U][B]~~~Monitor and sell all your location data, search history, app usage, and browsing habits to advertisers without your permission
~~Hijack your search results, redirecting your traffic to paying third parties
~Insert ads into web pages that would otherwise not have them
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This is about as dumb as letting taxis and busses drop you off anywhere they want instead of where you paid them to go.
Welp. It was nice knowing you, free internet.
Not a single democrat shown. How did this become so partisan? Are republicans seriously that soft to lobbyists?
That's some bullshit. And it's so close too being it was 50-48, unfortunately 50 being for killing the bill that protects consumers from ISPs that want to sell your data.
Like, how do you defend that? What can come out of this that's even remotely positive? Harming the consumers at the expense of some money is definitely not a positive outcome.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;52002875]That's some bullshit. And it's so close too being it was 50-48, unfortunately 50 being for killing the bill that protects consumers from ISPs that want to sell your data.
Like, how do you defend that? What can come out of this that's even remotely positive? Harming the consumers at the expensive of some money is definitely not a positive outcome.[/QUOTE]
The positive is them getting money while screwing people over. You know. The written law of the Republican party.
If this happened in Argentina people would be marching on the streets one day afterwards
Will there be any marches in the US? I mean, this transcends any kind of ideology.
It's even worse, this bill blocks all future attempts to revert internet protections to what they used to be. Essentially, it makes it impossible to slip in a rider to some bill that restores these internet protections, this bill itself has to be repealed.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;52002895]It's even worse, this bill blocks all future attempts to revert internet protections to what they used to be. Essentially, it makes it impossible to slip in a rider to some bill that restores these internet protections, this bill itself has to be repealed.[/QUOTE]
That is even worse. They knew this was a bad bill. They knew the people wouldn't like it. They knew people would try to revert it. But do they care? Nope gotta have that sweet sweet ISP money and stop anyone that might stop that money flow.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52002892]If this happened in Argentina people would be marching on the streets one day afterwards
Will there be any marches in the US? I mean, this transcends any kind of ideology.[/QUOTE]
Fortunately we've had a lot of people get petitions and what not going when it comes to anything that harms the internet. I remember seeing a lot of them circulate during the SOPA days if I'm recalling my events correctly. Here's hoping those same people will make their voice heard against this, and get this shit overturned.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;52002895]It's even worse, [B]this bill blocks all future attempts to revert internet protections to what they used to be.[/B] Essentially, it makes it impossible to slip in a rider to some bill that restores these internet protections, this bill itself has to be repealed.[/QUOTE]
Oh I didn't even see that part, that's fucking ludicrous. I gotta ask again, how in the WORLD do you defend this? I'm sure the Republicans can make up some shit to appease those who have no clue how the internet works, but as someone who cares about their privacy on the internet I cannot even make shit up to make this bill look even remotely decent.
Anyone want to hit up some ISPs and email me a list of these kind folks' homes?
I mean, it's 100% expressly legal now, so nothing dubious or suspicious about it all, right?
I need to do some [I]direct marketing.[/I] :pyramid:
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52002892]If this happened in Argentina people would be marching on the streets one day afterwards
Will there be any marches in the US? I mean, this transcends any kind of ideology.[/QUOTE]
I don't trust the same populace that voted the Republican majority in to protest against their rights being melted before their eyes.
How fucking appalling.
Any idea what's the effect of this on other countries?
This is just disgusting. I don't get how anyone in the senate would think this is a good idea and approve of this awful bill.
[QUOTE=EmilyVasquez;52002931]This is just disgusting. I don't get how anyone in the senate would think this is a good idea and approve of this awful bill.[/QUOTE]
Oh they don't have to think it's a good idea. The money they get does all the talking for them.
This is disgraceful. The fact that these changes could be made permanent and irreversible (unless a new law passes after the fact to overturn it) just proves how desperate the republicans are at fucking everyone over for their own monetary gain. Because, who cares about what the people want or their privacy, right? Business as usual in America.
I wonder what the usual suspects will think about the fact Trump's senate has pushed forward a bill that guts their internet rights.
Doesn't your parliament or something have to pass it too? Better pray that it doesn't. Lord knows you'd be restricted on being able to push your agenda further.
If ISPs can start injecting ads into my webpages and bypass adblockers, you can bet that people that can leave, WILL leave. I'm already paying enough fucking money just to get access, now you wanna bombard me with ads to suck every last penny out of everywhere? I'm legitimately thinking about moving to another country. I've been considering Sweden, and have taken some time to learn a little Swedish here and there. To any Swedish FPers, I'll buy you a pint when I get there.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52002968]If I was in America on an American ISP, I'd feel quite violated right now knowing they can inject ads whenever they please and fuck with my search history.
Makes me wonder if this also applies to HTTPS traffic. If it does. This is a very, very bad thing.[/QUOTE]
If it applies to HTTPS traffic, that S will begin to stand for "Sieve" rather than "Secure".
Can't wait to have all my logins, credit card info, and identity stolen due to corporate greed!!!
Fuck you Portman and everyone in my state who voted for him.
I'm at loss of words.
There better be a massive backlash to these assholes.
I'm wondering if the internet is gonna rebel against the senate like what they did with SOPA/PIPA.
[QUOTE=EmilyVasquez;52003011]I'm wondering if the internet is gonna rebel against the senate like what they did with SOPA/PIPA.[/QUOTE]
[I]Everyone[/I] should. Every website and service in the world because there's this one uppity kid that is now slapping [I]his[/I] content and [I]his[/I] advertisements over [I]your[/I] work and getting money out of it, without sharing any with you.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;52003001]If it applies to HTTPS traffic, that S will begin to stand for "Sieve" rather than "Secure".
Can't wait to have all my logins, credit card info, and identity stolen due to corporate greed!!![/QUOTE]
This is not how HTTPS works. It is not law that makes HTTPS secure. Allowing privacy leaking will not make HTTPS protocol suddenly not work.
Though the people that voted in favor are total fuckheads, it doesn't mean it's full-fledged as of this moment. It's not set in stone just because the Senate is (barely) in favor of it... yet...
Still, don't freak out so much to the point of making people think this is finished and done. It's not. Call your reps.
Reminder that US ISPs are frequently[URL="https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2016/12/comcast-still-uses-mitm-javascript-injection-serve-unwanted-ads-messages/"] caught using javascript man-in-the-middle attacks[/URL] to inject ads into HTTP webpages and that it's a severe security risk, this bill reinforces their ability to do so
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52002892]If this happened in Argentina people would be marching on the streets one day afterwards
Will there be any marches in the US? I mean, this transcends any kind of ideology.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm sure they would be. It's not like part of getting a price quote at an appliance store here involves handing over your email and phone number to the company or anything.
Nerds care. The EFF cares. ACLU can probably be made to care. But the layman? He doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't understand, and he'd probably shrug it off and keep doing what he does if he knew.
This is exactly like someone breaking into your house. Taking all your stuff, Selling it at the pawn shop down the road, Putting advertising in your house for that pawn shop and acting offended that you didn't want someone breaking into your house and stealing your stuff.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;52003030]This is not how HTTPS works. It is not law that makes HTTPS secure. Allowing privacy leaking will not make HTTPS protocol suddenly not work.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about intercepting and modifying traffic just to inject ads on a page. There was a huge stink with some antivirus addon doing similar and causing a huge security loophole on HTTPS pages that were allowing for Man in the Middle attacks.
At the end of the day, it's up to the ISP if they are going to sell your data. Pray to fucking god that they don't shill it out.
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