US fears North Korea may have nuclear ties with Myanmar - Polidicks

[quote]PHUKET, Thailand (Reuters) - The United States is concerned about the possible transfer of nuclear technology from North Korea to military-ruled Myanmar, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday. She also said "complete and irreversible" denuclearization was the only option for North Korea, saying after separate meetings with foreign ministers from China, Russia, Japan and South Korea that her counterparts supported this stance. "We have made it very clear to the North Koreans that if they will agree to irreversible denuclearization, that the United States as well as our partners will move forward on a package of incentives and opportunities including normalizing relations," Clinton told a news conference ahead of a regional security meeting in the Thai resort of Phuket. "Unless and until they do, they will face international isolation and the unrelenting pressure of global sanctions." In an earlier television interview in Bangkok, Clinton expressed concern about links between Myanmar and North Korea. Talk of Myanmar-North Korea military ties was fueled after a North Korean ship, tracked by the United States in June and July on suspicion of carrying banned arms, appeared headed toward Myanmar before turning around. "The threat that I have always worried about first and foremost is the proliferation of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction," she said. "So obviously we are very concerned about North Korea and recent reports about perhaps their dealings with what we call Burma," she added. When asked specifically if she was worried about possible nuclear transfers to Myanmar, she said "Yes." The most contentious topics at the meeting of the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) on Thursday will likely be Pyongyang's nuclear program and how to promote democracy in Myanmar. North Korea has a long history of arms proliferation and U.S. officials believe it helped Syria to build a nuclear reactor that was destroyed by Israeli bombers in 2007. On Tuesday Clinton said she was worried about the possibility of military links between the two countries, both regarded as pariahs in the West. North Korea and Myanmar are represented at the Phuket talks, although Pyongyang has only sent a low-level delegation. A 2008 report from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) on member states' compliance with basic inspections agreements said Myanmar's "declared nuclear material remained in peaceful activities." But it noted Myanmar was among a handful states that had not adopted an additional protocol, which permits inspections beyond declared nuclear sites, enabling the U.N. watchdog to verify there are no secret proliferation activities going on.[/quote] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE56L0PZ20090722?feedType=nl&feedName=usmorningdigest[/url]

Lets be all [img]http://www.emoticons4u.com/violent/sterb003.gif[/img] To Korea

International sanctions. So basically they get told off?

wow not North Korea again...

I support NK honestly. They feel threatened, they're reacting to the American threat, and hopefully America will get its "we're the best nation on Earth" ass kicked.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16199666]I support NK honestly. They feel threatened, they're reacting to the American threat, and hopefully America will get its "we're the best nation on Earth" ass kicked.[/QUOTE] Lol not gonna happen

[QUOTE=marcus;16199700]Lol not gonna happen[/QUOTE] Well, it might. 2 Nuclear Superpowers + war = pretty risky odds for both. Nuking the shit out of NK might finally cause some nations to go against the US. Nuking the shit out of the US wouldn't be bad, especially if the US surrendered, but the only problem is millions would die. We gotta remember, there's China, and in a short-to-moderate war, China could more or less wipe the floor with the US when it gets fully mobilized. The only problem is China might not join NK, and NK is powerful, but doesn't have the supplies to fight the US for long.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16199729]Well, it might. 2 Nuclear Superpowers + war = pretty risky odds for both. Nuking the shit out of NK might finally cause some nations to go against the US. Nuking the shit out of the US wouldn't be bad, especially if the US surrendered, but the only problem is millions would die. We gotta remember, there's China, and in a short-to-moderate war, China could more or less wipe the floor with the US when it gets fully mobilized. The only problem is China might not join NK, and NK is powerful, but doesn't have the supplies to fight the US for long.[/QUOTE] US have fully working & effective long range nukes. NK has failed almost every long range nuke test. how the fuck is NK classed as a superpower

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16199729]Well, it might. 2 Nuclear Superpowers + war = pretty risky odds for both. Nuking the shit out of NK might finally cause some nations to go against the US. Nuking the shit out of the US wouldn't be bad, especially if the US surrendered, but the only problem is millions would die. We gotta remember, there's China, and in a short-to-moderate war, China could more or less wipe the floor with the US when it gets fully mobilized. The only problem is China might not join NK, and NK is powerful, but doesn't have the supplies to fight the US for long.[/QUOTE] China would NOT join NK, or the US, because if they side with the NK, not only do they lose one of their biggest buyers of exported things, they also get NK refugees. If they side with the US, they also get NK refugees.

[QUOTE=HairyArmpit;16199790]how the fuck is NK classed as a superpower[/QUOTE] They do have short-range nukes that could be used to cause great damage to Southern Asia. [editline]01:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=VassikinX3;16199794]China would NOT join NK, or the US, because if they side with the NK, not only do they lose one of their biggest buyers of exported things, they also get NK refugees. If they side with the US, they also get NK refugees.[/QUOTE] Exactly. It isn't that China doesn't have the overall power to destroy either nation, it's that their economy would suffer greatly if they did, as just as many nations rely on China, China relies on other nations for its economic strength. Despite having so many people to work, I've read about China being more rural than city, equalling more of a home agrarian economy than an industrial economy.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16199833]They do have short-range nukes, and honestly, if they used the right tactics, they could prevent the US from making an amphibious invasion.[/QUOTE] yeah but they couldnt prevent them from an airbourne invasion, ie nukes

Sanctions haven't done shit so far. And isolating them won't do shit. The only people being punished that way would be the peasants and workers and whatnot. We need to fucking take out Kim Jong and place a US/Korean friendly leader and begin to work towards reunification by bringing the North up to speed education wise, economically and technologically. UN sanctions and isolation isn't going to help the problem.

Why US-friendly? Why not have NK-friendly leaders in the US? NK feels threatened by the US, and they're responding as such. This is more of the US's fault than NK's.

tHIS IS SORTA WHAT HAPPENED IN FALLOUT EXCEPT WITH CHINA LOOK THEY EVEN DEVELOPED radaway sos bout full caps. [editline]05:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16199666]I support NK honestly. They feel threatened, they're reacting to the American threat, and hopefully America will get its "we're the best nation on Earth" ass kicked.[/QUOTE] you asshole

I think north korea is fucked either way. There's a ton of nations who think they're retarded. And with them failing long-range missles, we can blow them to kingdom-kong either way.

I stopped caring about NK a few weeks back, if they bomb us it won't be anywhere near me. Besides, it's only the west coast, nothing great there.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16199905]Why US-friendly? Why not have NK-friendly leaders in the US? NK feels threatened by the US, and they're responding as such. This is more of the US's fault than NK's.[/QUOTE] Because an NK friendly leader is impossible without "US sux SK sux lolol nukes nukes nukes we r teh best lol" like Il and Sung were. A US friendly leader would be working towards a US goal, while an NK friendly leader would still be loyal to their dictators and be working towards a NK goal of power and intimidation.

[QUOTE=Detective P;16200018]Because an NK friendly leader is impossible without "US sux SK sux lolol nukes nukes nukes we r teh best lol" like Il and Sung were. A US friendly leader would be working towards a US goal, while an NK friendly leader would still be loyal to their dictators and be working towards a NK goal of power and intimidation.[/QUOTE] Don't you think the US leaders have a goal of power and intimidation? They have a shitty army, but threaten every nation in the world to do what they say or else they nuke them. The only difference is NK leaders are openly Communist, though both groups have the same intentions. I mean, the US is the one who threatened and intimidated NK in the first place/

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16199666]I support NK honestly. They feel threatened, they're reacting to the American threat, and hopefully America will get its "we're the best nation on Earth" ass kicked.[/QUOTE] Also, read a book or newspapaer or something, because you're very obviously and idiot. They don't feel threatened, they've brainwashed themselves into believing they are all powerful, and nukes will help them spread their power. Secondly, supporting a psuedo-communist dictator who places his people in concentration camps to work to death, executes his own people, and is the cause of widespread famine just to not support something else is completely stupid. It's like supporting Nazis because you don't like Communists. Lastly, do you live in America? No one in America besides the Republican rednecks believes we're big and bad and the best nation in the world anymore. We've had more criticism from our own nation than anyone else. We don't believe that we're the best. Nevermind the fact that everyone always asks us for fucking help. And look to us to kick that terrorist's ass or that small militant country's ass or prevent those darn so-and-sos from nuking their neighbor. But when we do it, we're the bad guys, even though someone else asked. So learn what the fuck you're talking about before supporting a mass murderer and criticizing the nation that's keeping your ass un-nuked by said mass murderer or whatnot. Saying that, I really dislike America, and I'm far from patriotic, and I believe America is an over powered imperialist nation, but that's been stopping lately so I'm happy.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16200129]Don't you think the US leaders have a goal of power and intimidation? They have a shitty army, but threaten every nation in the world to do what they say or else they nuke them. The only difference is NK leaders are openly Communist, though both groups have the same intentions. I mean, the US is the one who threatened and intimidated NK in the first place/[/QUOTE] No, they threatened and intimmidated South Korea during the war. Ever since then, they've continued to do so to us, Japan and SK. They got nukes and began shooting missiles before we started threatening anything.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16199729]Well, it might. 2 Nuclear Superpowers + war = pretty risky odds for both. Nuking the shit out of NK might finally cause some nations to go against the US. Nuking the shit out of the US wouldn't be bad, especially if the US surrendered, but the only problem is millions would die. We gotta remember, there's China, and in a short-to-moderate war, China could more or less wipe the floor with the US when it gets fully mobilized. The only problem is China might not join NK, and NK is powerful, but doesn't have the supplies to fight the US for long.[/QUOTE] Haha North Korea as a super power. That's a real knee slapper right there. Rated funny.

I agree. I'm American with anti-American beliefs, and after studying the US and listening to news about it, I can say the US honestly has brainwashed itself also into believing it's all-powerful when it isn't. You have a point. Both the NK and the US falsely believe they're the strongest nation there is.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16200206]I agree. I'm American (going to the UK when I get the chance), and after studying the US and listening to news about it, I can say the US honestly has brainwashed itself also into believing it's all-powerful when it isn't. You have a point. Both the NK and the US falsely believe they're the strongest nation there is.[/QUOTE] Like the UK is any better.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;16200220]Like the UK is any better.[/QUOTE] Like the US is any better.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16200229]Like the US is any better.[/QUOTE] When did I say US?

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16200229]Like the US is any better.[/QUOTE] They are. The only other nation to match the US is russia.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;16200206]I agree. I'm American with anti-American beliefs, and after studying the US and listening to news about it, I can say the US honestly has brainwashed itself also into believing it's all-powerful when it isn't. You have a point. Both the NK and the US falsely believe they're the strongest nation there is.[/QUOTE] No no no, the brainwashing comment was aimed at North Korea. The US really is one of if not the most powerful nation on Earth if you combine the technology and the military. I mean, sure other nations have larger militaries, or better trained armies, but we have the best technology and a fairly large army... I mean, I think Russia and China could kick our ass if they wanted to, no doubt, but the US is still a superpower. The US is rather powerful, but people believing it's the most powerful are becoming harder to find because so many dislike our policies and how we handle world situations.

[QUOTE=Detective P;16200297]No no no, the brainwashing comment was aimed at North Korea. The US really is one of if not the most powerful nation on Earth if you combine the technology and the military. I mean, sure other nations have larger militaries, or better trained armies, but we have the best technology and a fairly large army... I mean, I think Russia and China could kick our ass if they wanted to, no doubt, but the US is still a superpower. The US is rather powerful, but people believing it's the most powerful are becoming harder to find because so many dislike our policies and how we handle world situations.[/QUOTE] It also helps that in order for another country to invade the US, they would have to go over miles of Ocean. Unless they are Mexico or Canada.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;16200321]It also helps that in order for another country to invade the US, they would have to go over miles of Ocean. Unless they are Mexico or Canada.[/QUOTE] Or go over Alaska and push down through Canada in the case of Russia. And ocean isn't a problem in modern times, everyone has enough naval power to take their whole army and then some across the Pacific or Atlantic without a problem. Well, they'd have our navy to deal with, but you get my point. Yes, it definitely helps, I'm sure.

Gmod_fan77 you are so incredibly stupid, it's not even funny. The United States is a country with good intentions. What country are YOU even from?