The downvotes really show you what the Youtube 'community' has come to
why does he sound so danish
That's... the most torelable thing I have heard in the past 5 years.
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;51015176]why does he sound so danish[/QUOTE]
[i]oh shit[/i]
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;51015176]why does he sound so danish[/QUOTE]
:worried:
We should be tolerable to immigrants who want a better life. We should be tolerant of their beliefs, their cultures, etc. We should be tolerant to accept them into our societies.
We should NOT be tolerant to immigrants who don't try to integrate and reject the country's laws/cultures/ideals, or rape, or commit crimes, or don't work.
That's my two cents. Good speech by the King.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51015456]We should be tolerable to immigrants who want a better life. We should be tolerant of their beliefs, their cultures, etc. We should be tolerant to accept them into our societies.
We should NOT be tolerant to immigrants who don't try to assimilate and reject the country's laws/cultures/ideals, or rape, or commit crimes, or don't work.
That's my two cents. Good speech by the King.[/QUOTE]
"Assimilation" is throwing away your culture and background. No immigrants should be forced to assimilate. The word you want is integrate - which involves a degree of healthy cultural exchange.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51015787]"Assimilation" is throwing away your culture and background. No immigrants should be forced to assimilate. The word you want is integrate - which involves a degree of healthy cultural exchange.[/QUOTE]
I can't think of a country in modern time where integration has not led to division of people into groups and fringe groups and to the creation of tension between those groups. Assimilation usually goes by rather painlessly and the only ones who take issue among the local populace are those who really can't see further than appearances. Integration on the other hand forces the local populace to adapt their way of living, and it's not always appreciated. And I can understand that, after all, if I were to spend time on foreign soil I'd do my best to not disturb the status quo.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51015002]The downvotes really show you what the Youtube 'community' has come to[/QUOTE]
I'm quite surprised, to be frank. Nothing said in the video was offensive or offensively said.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51015787]"Assimilation" is throwing away your culture and background. No immigrants should be forced to assimilate. The word you want is integrate - which involves a degree of healthy cultural exchange.[/QUOTE]
Oh I thought it went hand in hand and were interchangable
my bad that's not what I meant at all
[QUOTE=momoiro;51015875]I can't think of a country in modern time where integration has not led to division of people into groups and fringe groups and to the creation of tension between those groups. Assimilation usually goes by rather painlessly and the only ones who take issue among the local populace are those who really can't see further than appearances. Integration on the other hand forces the local populace to adapt their way of living, and it's not always appreciated. And I can understand that, after all, if I were to spend time on foreign soil I'd do my best to not disturb the status quo.[/QUOTE]
Uh, no.
Assimilation creates far, far worse problems for ethnic tensions than integration ever will. You might perceive it as a worse thing due to large shifts of people from developing world into the developed world, but that problem is centered around [I]culture shock.[/I]
Assimilation is the reason why Austria's Empire collapsed, because the second-class citizens had enough of repression. Assimilation is the reason why The Ottoman Empire succumbed to its own citizens, as the people of Bosnia, Serbia, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, and the Arab tribes all mounted massive resistance against the Turkish attempts at destroying their societies. Assimilation is the reason why Rwanda, Sudan, and several other African countries devolved into the worst warring states humanity has ever experienced. Assimilation is the reason why Yugoslavia collapsed, as the Slovenes and the Croats had enough of the Serbs trying to turn them into Serbs. Assimilation is the reason why places like a free Kurdistan and Tibet and Kashmir and Caucasus are quelled by destruction and repression, for they are not allowed to be their own nation, because their overlords say that they must be Arabs, or that they must be Chinese, or that they must be Pakistani or Indian, or that they must be Russian.
There is no painless and peaceful assimilation. If Germany were to invade and annex Sweden in an attempt to expand its territory and German nationals, you can bet that you'd get gunned down if you didn't succumb to their repression of Swedish people and culture. It happened countless times in the past. You may claim an opinion about it. But you cannot deny what it does and support it, because once the tables turn you will suffer from it.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51015002]The downvotes really show you what the Youtube 'community' has come to[/QUOTE]
That kinda makes me curious about what their responses would have been if the comments hadn't been disabled.
[QUOTE=Skerion;51016092]That kinda makes me curious about what their responses would have been if the comments hadn't been disabled.[/QUOTE]
oh, I saw the comments before the section was disabled.
they were pretty bad, like you would probably expect.
[QUOTE=momoiro;51015875]I can't think of a country in modern time where integration has not led to division of people into groups and fringe groups and to the creation of tension between those groups. Assimilation usually goes by rather painlessly and the only ones who take issue among the local populace are those who really can't see further than appearances. Integration on the other hand forces the local populace to adapt their way of living, and it's not always appreciated. And I can understand that, after all, if I were to spend time on foreign soil I'd do my best to not disturb the status quo.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea where you got this idea that assimilation is a smooth, calm process from.
Assimilation is the forced eradication of your culture in favour of the new host culture. Whether you want it or not. This inherently creates divides in society, generates disenfranchisement and fuels hatred. Key components on the path to extremism. Sure the host culture might feel more "at ease" that their culture is being "taken away". But at the same time that culture is now stagnating, something entirely contrary to the human condition. We constantly learn and grow after all.
Integration can be a bit bumpy. But it does lead to an overall better end as you take the better parts of the guest culture and bring them in to the host culture. Whilst at the same time using the better parts of the host culture to soften the guest culture into compatibility without outright suppressing it. A significant portion of British culture is from integrated cultures of those who have migrated to the UK, and those who we owned at one point thanks to the British Empire. Without the integration we've had, we would have almost zero real culture outside of our upper class fucking their brothers and sisters for the sake of a fancy chair.
Meanwhile, hes building a wall.
[url]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-28/norway-builds-wall-because-migrants[/url]
[QUOTE=Linkuya;51015915]I'm quite surprised, to be frank. Nothing said in the video was offensive or offensively said.[/QUOTE]
They must not like Hellbillies
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51015002]The downvotes really show you what the Youtube 'community' has come to[/QUOTE]
Whoa what the eff yo
I can't say I expected that. What gives?
[editline]7th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shakma;51016116]Meanwhile, hes building a wall.
[url]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-28/norway-builds-wall-because-migrants[/url][/QUOTE]
No he's not :v:
He doesn't control shit in Norway, he's just a guy who holds speeches.
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Holy shit what is this source
The ministry of justice is building this [B]fence[/B] between Norway and Russia which is 200 meters long, and is part of the upgraded border station in Storskog - The border is almost 200 kilometers long however, so it's not exactly a wall. (and it only covers ~0.1% of the border)
The only thing this does is to say with slightly bolder letters that you shouldn't just walk over the border and into Norway without any sort of legal papers.
[QUOTE=Shakma;51016116]Meanwhile, hes building a wall.
[url]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-28/norway-builds-wall-because-migrants[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The Left always complains that the United States isn't more like Europe, particularly Scandinavia, and now the joke's on them because Norway now plans to build a border wall to halt the flow of illegal migrants pouring in from Russia.
This racist display of European white supremacy will be a 660 foot-long steel fence stretching 11 feet high and will run from the Storskog border crossing on the Norway-Russia border.[/QUOTE]
such a lovely source you brought with you
This is why we post King Harald as "pageking" in the Norwegian Chat thread!
[QUOTE=momoiro;51015875]I can't think of a country in modern time where integration has not led to division of people into groups and fringe groups and to the creation of tension between those groups. Assimilation usually goes by rather painlessly and the only ones who take issue among the local populace are those who really can't see further than appearances. Integration on the other hand forces the local populace to adapt their way of living, and it's not always appreciated. And I can understand that, after all, if I were to spend time on foreign soil I'd do my best to not disturb the status quo.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me, but can you tell me what my flagdog is and its history?
[QUOTE=momoiro;51015875]I can't think of a country in modern time where integration has not led to division of people into groups and fringe groups and to the creation of tension between those groups. Assimilation usually goes by rather painlessly and the only ones who take issue among the local populace are those who really can't see further than appearances. Integration on the other hand forces the local populace to adapt their way of living, and it's not always appreciated. And I can understand that, after all, if I were to spend time on foreign soil I'd do my best to not disturb the status quo.[/QUOTE]
Hi there
Posting from a country where I can go to a Vietnamese Buddhist Temple, a Mosque, a Baptist Church, a paleontological center at a museum, and go watch a foreign or domestic movie at the local theatre.
And nowhere is culture being etched away or destroyed.
Leaving mom's basement helps
[QUOTE=croguy;51016062]Uh, no.
Assimilation creates far, far worse problems for ethnic tensions than integration ever will. You might perceive it as a worse thing due to large shifts of people from developing world into the developed world, but that problem is centered around [I]culture shock.[/I]
Assimilation is the reason why Austria's Empire collapsed, because the second-class citizens had enough of repression. Assimilation is the reason why The Ottoman Empire succumbed to its own citizens, as the people of Bosnia, Serbia, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, and the Arab tribes all mounted massive resistance against the Turkish attempts at destroying their societies. Assimilation is the reason why Rwanda, Sudan, and several other African countries devolved into the worst warring states humanity has ever experienced. Assimilation is the reason why Yugoslavia collapsed, as the Slovenes and the Croats had enough of the Serbs trying to turn them into Serbs. Assimilation is the reason why places like a free Kurdistan and Tibet and Kashmir and Caucasus are quelled by destruction and repression, for they are not allowed to be their own nation, because their overlords say that they must be Arabs, or that they must be Chinese, or that they must be Pakistani or Indian, or that they must be Russian.
There is no painless and peaceful assimilation. If Germany were to invade and annex Sweden in an attempt to expand its territory and German nationals, you can bet that you'd get gunned down if you didn't succumb to their repression of Swedish people and culture. It happened countless times in the past. You may claim an opinion about it. But you cannot deny what it does and support it, because once the tables turn you will suffer from it.[/QUOTE]
If I understand your post correctly you are talking about Empires such as Austria and Ottomans who by military force conquered other peoples land and introduced a policy of forced assimilation. Of course that is going to lead to extreme tensions. That's not comparable to people immigrating into another country by their own will and refusing to assimilate into the host countrys culture.
There was a large amount of labour immigration to Sweden during the 60's and 70's from places such as Finland, Italy, Greece and former Yugoslavia and these groups assimilated nicely without any major forms of conflict and could today easily be mistaken för someone who has lived in Sweden for multiple generations. I can guarantee you that these are not the immigrant groups causing the ethnic tensions we see today, the groups causing ethnic tensions are the ones that are refusing to assimilate.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51015787]"Assimilation" is throwing away your culture and background. No immigrants should be forced to assimilate. The word you want is integrate - which involves a degree of healthy cultural exchange.[/QUOTE]
What is wrong with assimilation? Do you prefer segregation and ethnic enclaves?
[QUOTE=Jack32;51017052]What is wrong with assimilation? Do you prefer segregation and ethnic enclaves?[/QUOTE]
Forced assimilation*
The issue with it is that you cause unhappiness.
I immediately google searched "norway terrorist attack september 2016" because this came right out of the blue
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51015002]The downvotes really show you what the Youtube 'community' has come to[/QUOTE]
Decided to go to Reddit to see some comments on this. I regret it.
At the start of the speech he said that home cannot always be placed within national borders. Then he goes on to say that they're all Norwegian, no matter who they are, where they're from or what they believe.
So what exactly IS a Norwegian then? If they're not defined by their country of residence and they aren't defined by cultural traits, then how do you define a Norwegian at all? According to him, everyone in the world is a Norwegian.
The whole cultural exchange thing only works the cultures are similar and have something of value to exchange.
When a culture is toxic to its own people, it can't have anything positive to bring to the culture it's being 'exchanged' with.
[QUOTE=BitofPatience;51018870]At the start of the speech he said that home cannot always be placed within national borders. Then he goes on to say that they're all Norwegian, no matter who they are, where they're from or what they believe.
So what exactly IS a Norwegian then? If they're not defined by their country of residence and they aren't defined by cultural traits, then how do you define a Norwegian at all? According to him, everyone in the world is a Norwegian.
The whole cultural exchange thing only works the cultures are similar and have something of value to exchange.
When a culture is toxic to its own people, it can't have anything positive to bring to the culture it's being 'exchanged' with.[/QUOTE]
He defines a Norwegian as any member of the country that, while not fully abandoning his/her cultural past, decides to integrate themselves with the society of the country, not placing emphasis on the concept of the borders of said country.
The border around a country only exists to set a few ''rules'' and principles, to provide the population of that territory something to get behind, but not to the extent of forgetting that other human beings exist that are out of that human made barrier.
The way I see it, the king believes that anyone that decides to come to Norway and integrate themselves with the society that exists there deserves to be called a Norwegian, provided they respect and tolerate those around them, the same way that others should tolerate them and not discriminate them for political/religious/cultural reasons.
As much as others would disagree, the U.S. as a concept, and as a country, is a great example of what the king wants to speak about. A big land filled with people from various corners of the earth, where respect is (or should be) mutual and the integration between the various cultures that compose said country is voluntary and intelectually enrichening.
Hatred of others will, sadly, always be a thing, but it should be restricted to individuals that want to disrupt said cultural transfer (for example, terrorists of islamic faith), and not to the entire demographic that composes a religious/ethnic group.
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