Depressing stuff from Syria: rebel brigade executes large amount of surrendered SAA/militia
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[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/27/world/middleeast/soldiers-mass-execution-reported-by-syria-group.html?_r=0[/URL]
Intense fighting was happening in Aleppo's suburbs of Khan Al-Asal. Rebels captured it with at least 100+ regime soldiers/militia dead and another 50 or so whom were captured then summarily executed.
It's sad cause there's a bunch of videos of them surrendering/being captured and some are crying and clearly distraught. They are told they will be safe but clearly that wasn't the case.
[quote][I]It looks like Assad's retreat from Khan Al-Asal was rather unorganized. The captured solider is saying Hezbollah forces left first, and a lot of soldiers - including himself were left alone behind enemy lines.[/I]
[I]He also says how some pro-Assad forces with green head-bands (Iraqi Islamist shia militia) fired at him[/I][/quote]
[media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLVlg_5Ns8s[/URL][/media]
[quote][I]Another from Khan Al-Asal. Assad soldier captured crying. FSA promised to investigate his case and release him if he is telling the truth.[/I][/quote]
[media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieOlPgzG3mc[/URL][/media]
video of the dead, pretty clear with the mass heap of guys and the bullet holes in the wall you can tell what went on.
[media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBgoerCHzg[/URL][/media]
Depressing Stuff from Syria? Is there ever a small amount of that?
Disgusting.
Literally slaughtering their own people like dogs.
You can tell they were in line of a firing squad. Pitiful.
I hope no side wins, and they knock each other into extinction. It's not fair to the civilians, and it's certainly not fair to the countries they 'plead' help from.
Fucking savages. This makes me so fucking mad.
Just waiting for NoDachi and other defense force trying to justify this.
"Not a hivemind" argument is useless and retarded by now since you can say the identical thing about Assad's forces then. What's done is done.
in the early stages of the conflict I supported the rebels and was for US intervention. now I support neither side and I don't understand why we chose to support these guys when they're just as bad as assad.
Kind of funny how they didn't upload video's of the massacre but uploaded video's of the capture to use as a propaganda tool.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;41626094]Fucking savages. This makes me so fucking mad.
Just waiting for NoDachi and other defense force trying to justify this.
"Not a hivemind" argument is useless and retarded by now since you can say the identical thing about Assad's forces then. What's done is done.[/QUOTE]
Well it would be correct to say that "not a hivemind". Because there's no organised forces left in Syria. Assad doesn't really seems to control the military all that well. Hell, judging by what the article says, the military itself can't really hold their shit together. Rebels are just a bunch of diffirent groups.
Chaos.
Well yeah but that still doesn't excuse either groups of doing these monstrocities. Even if they're not a hivemind, they all belong to a group called "rebels" at this moment.
[QUOTE=Bobsters34;41626102]in the early stages of the conflict I supported the rebels and was for US intervention. now I support neither side and I don't understand why we chose to support these guys when they're just as bad as assad.[/QUOTE]
Well if we chose one side we could get it over with quickly with probably less bloodshed in the long term.
[QUOTE=gudman;41626128]Well it would be correct to say that "not a hivemind". Because there's no organised forces left in Syria. Assad doesn't really seems to control the military all that well. Hell, judging by what the article says, the military itself can't really hold their shit together. Rebels are just a bunch of diffirent groups.
Chaos.[/QUOTE]
The rebels are way less organized than Assad's army though. Assad has an airforce, which requires tremendous amounts of logistics. Iran sends IRGC officers over to the SAA and they have fun together.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41626169]The rebels are way more organized than Assad's army though. Assad has an airforce, which requires tremendous amounts of logistics. Iran sends IRGC officers over to the SAA and they have fun together.[/QUOTE]
Typo? Way less organized.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;41626149]Well yeah but that still doesn't excuse either groups of doing these monstrocities. Even if they're not a hivemind, they all belong to a group called "rebels" at this moment.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah no fucking shit dood. But like it's been said 600 times before, the FSA is not a single faction, and not every faction is guilty of war crimes.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41626169]The rebels are way less organized than Assad's army though. Assad has an airforce, which requires tremendous amounts of logistics. Iran sends IRGC officers over to the SAA and they have fun together.[/QUOTE]
Well isn't that a given? It is an army after all. Rebels, while containing a lot of plain mercs among themselves, are still barely holding together ragtag group.
They are rebels, what are they going to do with prisoners?
Unless they can get them across the country to Turkey there isn't anywhere to keep them prisoner when they start running low on food, or need to retreat. Plus, holding prisoners in the ruins of a city takes up a lot of manpower because it's easy to escape.
If you've been fighting a vicious civil war for the past 3 years and you capture half a battalion of fleeing enemy troops and your only options are;
1. Let them go so they can fight you again.
2. Shoot most of them and let a couple go if they share information.
What are you going to pick?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;41626353]They are rebels, what are they going to do with prisoners?
Unless they can get them across the country to Turkey there isn't anywhere to keep them prisoner when they start running low on food, or need to retreat. Plus, holding prisoners in the ruins of a city takes up a lot of manpower because it's easy to escape.
If you've been fighting a vicious civil war for the past 3 years and you capture half a battalion of fleeing enemy troops and your only options are;
1. Let them go so they can fight you again.
2. Shoot most of them and let a couple go if they share information.
What are you going to pick?[/QUOTE]
This is the problem I have with civil wars like these. So many people have so many different motivations for this that I don't know whether it's justified. You're right from a practical standpoint, but I imagine there's also a lot of people shooting them because they can, as opposed to "having" to.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;41626094]Fucking savages. This makes me so fucking mad.
Just waiting for NoDachi and other defense force trying to justify this.
"Not a hivemind" argument is useless and retarded by now since you can say the identical thing about Assad's forces then. What's done is done.[/QUOTE]
lmao you make it sound like I condone this type of behavior. Or ever have.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41626594]lmao you make it sound like I condone this type of behavior. Or ever have.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound as if people care.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;41626353]They are rebels, what are they going to do with prisoners?
Unless they can get them across the country to Turkey there isn't anywhere to keep them prisoner when they start running low on food, or need to retreat. Plus, holding prisoners in the ruins of a city takes up a lot of manpower because it's easy to escape.
If you've been fighting a vicious civil war for the past 3 years and you capture half a battalion of fleeing enemy troops and your only options are;
1. Let them go so they can fight you again.
2. Shoot most of them and let a couple go if they share information.
What are you going to pick?[/QUOTE]
"nowhere to put them" isn't really a good justification for mass killing of unarmed POW's.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41626612]You make it sound as if people care.[/QUOTE]
No one on facepunch cared when that story about an entire extended family burnt alive by assad's troops. It got like a couple of posts, not to mention one from Aman saying he didn't want to believe it. Yet here he is doing his own investigative journalism lol
I guess it's just not as ~sexy~ as uslamust stories.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41626753]No one on facepunch cared when that story about an entire extended family burnt alive by assad's troops. It got like a couple of posts.
I guess it's just not as ~sexy~ as uslamust stories.[/QUOTE]
but my caliphate!!!!
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41626753]No one on facepunch cared when that story about an entire extended family burnt alive by assad's troops. It got like a couple of posts.
I guess it's just not as ~sexy~ as uslamust stories.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anybody actually personally cares what happens on here, most people are here because they have nothing better to do.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41626764]I don't think anybody actually personally cares what happens on here.[/QUOTE]
How is this even a response? Obviously people care more when rebels do bad stuff.
sure glad the US are obviously supporting the "good" guys!!!
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41626786]How is this even a response? Obviously people care more when rebels do bad stuff.[/QUOTE]
No they don't, people just say they do then forget about it in the next 5 minutes. Nobody here actually really cares that much because people have better things to do than take some stupid war in the middle east to heart.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41626799]No they don't, people just say they do then forget about it in the next 5 minutes. Nobody here actually really cares that much because people have better things to do than take some stupid war in the middle east to heart.[/QUOTE]
Is that why you live in these threads lmao
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41626816]Is that why you live in these threads lmao[/QUOTE]
Yeah I come here because I have nothing better to do.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41626750]it is if you want to win a war[/QUOTE]
It's not if you want to actually have the general populace on your side to help win the war. Nobody is going to want to support a potential government that executes the unarmed. Thats what got the country into this mess in the first place.
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[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41626825]It's not if you want to actually have the general populace on your side to help win the war. Nobody is going to want to support a potential government that executes the unarmed. Thats what got the country into this mess in the first place.[/QUOTE]
What alternative would you have done? You haven't proposed any alternative to letting go of a large group of people who they are fighting against and would likely lose people to in battles after, which is not exactly the most sound strategy for a war. The rebels have already had the media attack them over and over, so it's not like their image can get much worse from the PR of this.
La teoria de los dos demonios.
Everyone -must- check that out. Same scenario in a smaller scale happened in Argentina, 1975 until 1978.
Please, stop saying "the government is better than the rebels, hope they stand" because that's not true.
By all means, the government is worse than the rebels. They are bound by law, and they are the state, being its first and foremost mission the protection of its citizens according to their law and signed international treaties. Which is, something they haven't been doing.
And no, the rebels aren't bound by any law.
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