Oh the irony: Sick PCs should be banned from the net, says Microsoft - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11483008"]Source[/URL] [release][B]Virus-infected computers that pose a risk to other PCs should be blocked from the net, a senior researcher at software giant Microsoft suggests.[/B] [QUOTE][IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48609000/jpg/_48609088_48609089.jpg[/IMG] Botnets can contain millions of machines[/QUOTE] The proposal is based on lessons from public health, said Scott Charney of the firm's trustworthy computing team. It is designed to tackle botnets - networks of infected computers under the control of cybercriminals. Putting machines in temporary quarantine would stop the spread of a virus and allow it to be cleaned. "Just as when an individual who is not vaccinated puts others' health at risk, computers that are not protected or have been compromised with a bot put others at risk and pose a greater threat to society," [url=http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2010/10/05/the-need-for-global-collective-defense-on-the-internet.aspx]he said in a blog post[/url]. "In the physical world, international, national, and local health organisations identify, track and control the spread of disease which can include, where necessary, quarantining people to avoid the infection of others. "Simply put, we need to improve and maintain the health of consumer devices connected to the internet in order to avoid greater societal risk." [B]Health test[/B] Botnets have become the scourge of the internet and a favourite amongst cybercriminals. Computers are recruited into a network when they become infected with a virus. These are commonly distributed by criminals as attachments in e-mail messages, and as software downloads masquerading as legitimate programs. Networks can consist of a few hundred to a few thousand [U]Windows machines[/U] (:irony:). However, some can contain millions of PCs. The networks are usually under the control of criminals who commonly hire them out to others for various means including pumping out spam or mounting "denial of service" attacks against websites. "Commonly available cyber defences such as firewalls, antivirus and automatic updates for security patches can reduce risk, but they're not enough," wrote Mr Charney. "Despite our best efforts, many consumer computers are host to malware or are part of a botnet." His proposal, presented at the International Security Solutions Europe (ISSE) Conference in Berlin, Germany, is for all computers to have a "health certificate" to prove that it is uninfected before it connects to the net. "Although the conditions to be checked may change over time, current experience suggests that such health checks should ensure that software patches are applied, a firewall is installed and configured correctly, an antivirus program with current signatures is running, and the machine is not currently infected with known malware," [url=http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9746317]he wrote in the accompanying paper[/url]. If the health certificate indicates a problem the computer could be prompted to download a missing patch or update its anti-virus settings. "If the problem is more serious (the machine is spewing out malicious packets), or if the user refuses to produce a health certificate in the first instance, other remedies such as throttling the bandwidth of the potentially infected device, might be appropriate." However, he said, that cutting people off the internet entirely "could well have damaging consequences". "An individual might be using his or her internet device to contact emergency services and, if emergency services were unavailable due to lack of a health inspection or certificate, social acceptance for such a protocol might rightly wane. "But much like a cell phone may require a password but still allow emergency calls to be made even without that password, infected computers may still be permitted to engage in certain activities." [B]Global attacks[/B] Graham Cluely, of security firm Sophos, said that some ISPs had previously throttled some users suspected of having infections. "They knock off users who look like they are sending large numbers of spam e-mails - an indication of being part of a botnet," he told BBC News. Whilst it solves the problem, he said, it can cause problems for computer users. "The challenge then is what the poor old user does," he said. "They can't get on the net to download fixes." He also said that there was a danger that many people would think that any message telling them that they had an infection on their machine was a scam. The approach is used around the world. In Japan, for example, more than 70 ISPs have formed the Cyber Clean Center, which contacts users and provides security software to prevent further infections. Other initiatives exist in France and Australia. Microsoft said that to make its plan work itwould need four steps, including defining a health computer, creating a trusted system for health certificates and finding a way for ISPs to process and act on them. Relevant legal frameworks would also be needed, it said. But Mr Cluley questioned whether Microsoft was best placed to recommend such security measures. "Microsoft doesn't have a faultless record when it comes to security," he said. "It has improved over the years, but every month they have to release a package of updates. "There may be some who would say that Microsoft shouldn't be on the internet until they get their own house in order." <-- [I]*raises hand*[/I][/release] [IMG]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/linux_user_at_best_buy.png[/IMG]

that's why i use microsoft security essentials :downs:

Know how to use Linux, it's not exactly hard to use?

[QUOTE=lockdown6;25288897]don't tell me you're one of those assholes who think they're better than everyone else because they know how to use linux[/QUOTE] Or he was just making a joke.

[QUOTE=lockdown6;25288897]don't tell me you're one of those assholes who think they're better than everyone else because they know how to use linux[/QUOTE] Well I'm not one of those GNU/Linux Talibans who thinks "Haschefrosh = Evil", good things had came out from Micr*soft, but in my perfect world more people is using GNU/Linux distros... [editline]10:29AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Nilrus;25289018]Or he was just making a joke.[/QUOTE] Also, this

heh i can use linux :cool: now if i could only feel the touch of a woman

[QUOTE=lockdown6;25288897]don't tell me you're one of those assholes who think they're better than everyone else because they know how to use linux[/QUOTE] In my experience the only people who bother to use Linux only do so to act/feel superior and flaunt it like it means absolutely anything.

This sounds stupid.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;25289054]In my experience the only people who bother to use Linux only do so to act/feel superior and flaunt it like it means absolutely anything.[/QUOTE] Or they could be using Linux because they need it or because they preffer it to windows. From your post it seems more like you're the one feeling superior for thinking you're above Linux fanboys.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;25289054]In my experience the only people who bother to use Linux only do so to act/feel superior and flaunt it like it means absolutely anything.[/QUOTE] /offtopic Is it me or there's something wrong with your avatar? I could swear-- oh I see it now :v: /ontopic I agree, most people usually are all "Oh yea I can use Linux, I know Bash, herp derp herp derp"... but I don't blame them, once you understand how the OS works and start to use your Linux distro to its full potential (little by little, usually) you feel pretty good about it, it's pretty rewarding, so it's normal for some people to act like attention whores about it...

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;25289029]good things had came out from Micr*soft[/QUOTE] I really don't understand why you censored Microsoft.

what can linux even do

[QUOTE=GhostSonic;25289180]I really don't understand why you censored Microsoft.[/QUOTE] 'cuz I'm a Linux fanboy -I admit it-... we usually do that as some kind of joke/meme [editline]10:44AM[/editline] Same with the "Haschefrosh" word :v:

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;25289195]'cuz I'm a Linux fanboy -I admit it-... we usually do that as some kind of joke/meme [editline]10:44AM[/editline] Same with the "Haschefrosh" word :v:[/QUOTE] hahhaha I don't get it.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25289187]what can linux even do[/QUOTE] You might want to rephrase that to "What [I]can´t[/I] Linux do"...

Well then fuck your L*nux shit and A**le can just go fuck themselves I guess.

"Cyber criminals", :wtc:

[QUOTE=Dr. Freeman;25289211]"Cyber criminals", :wtc:[/QUOTE] Obligatory "CYBER POLICE" joke.

[QUOTE=GhostSonic;25289204]hahhaha I don't get it.[/QUOTE] No worries, it's pretty stupid anyways :v: [IMG]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png[/IMG] <-- How about this one?

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;25289207]You might want to rephrase that to "What [I]can´t[/I] Linux do"...[/QUOTE] play games that don't suck????

This is some Medieval thinking right here. Where people that had the black plague were clubbed to death.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25289235]play games that don't suck????[/QUOTE] We can play any iD game ever released on Linux (thank you Carmack!)... what did you mean by that?

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;25289230]No worries, it's pretty stupid anyways :v: [IMG]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png[/IMG] <-- How about this one?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9436/sudonoworkd.png[/IMG] meh

[QUOTE=glennman94;25289273]This is some Medieval thinking right here. Where people that had the black plague were clubbed to death.[/QUOTE]Uuh, what? How did you make the jump from quarantine, a modern medical practice meant to stop the spread of highly contagious and virulent diseases, to beating the afflicted to death? The only way that comparison would be valid is if Microsoft suggested destroying infected computers.

It's clear that the only reason you posted this article was to praise Linux.

Besides, Linux viruses do exist. I'm a long time user of both Windows and Linux, and Linux viruses are out there. They're very rare, and mostly targeted at server architecture (as a high percentage of websites and email servers run on Linux/Unix machines) but they are there and they can damage your system. Linux isn't immune to viruses - it's simply that nobody has tried hard enough to make them yet. Same goes for Mac OSX - there are viruses for it, just hardly any of them.

Probably just me but I fail to see the irony in this. [QUOTE=glennman94;25289273]This is some Medieval thinking right here. Where people that had the black plague were clubbed to death.[/QUOTE] If that were so, we would be smashing infected computers to tiny bits.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25289187]what can linux even do[/QUOTE] Fatten you by 100 kilograms, teleport you to your parents basement, make you allergic to soap and become able to live off only pizza, all this only by installing it in your computer. Yes that was a joke.

This makes sense, if it's applied to medicine why not computers?

[QUOTE=lockdown6;25288897]don't tell me you're one of those assholes who think they're better than everyone else because they know how to use linux[/QUOTE] Linux is so hard. I can't install ubuntu! This guy is an asshole I agree with you lockdown6. Besides, I use Windows XP Anti Virus 2010. Its the latest. :smug: