Rep. Bachmann's Far-Right Family Pledge Argues Black Kids Were Better Off In 1860

[staticman]

[quote]Behold the constituencies Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) is willing to sell out to court the far-right Christian vote in Iowa: [URL="http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/bachmann-first-to-sign-vow-against-gay-marriage-pornography-sharia/politics/2011/07/08/23341"]Muslims[/URL], feminists, the [URL="http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/07/08/Bachmann_Jumps_to_Sign_New_Antigay_Pledge/"]LGBT community[/URL], anyone irked by the idea that homosexuality is "a [URL="http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/07/07/263006/iowa-group-asks-republican-candidates-to-agree-that-homosexuality-is-a-choice-pornography-should-be-banned/"]public health risk[/URL]," and the [URL="http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/07/michele_bachmann_pornography.php"]porn[/URL] industry. These attributes of the far-right social policy [URL="http://www.politico.com/static/PPM187_marriage.html"]pledge [/URL]Bachmann signed [URL="http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/07/07/update-bachmann-is-first-to-sign-family-leaders-pro-marriage-pledge/"]yesterday[/URL] have been widely reported, but Jack & Jill Politics points out that the document may alienate the [URL="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2011/07/michelle-bachmann-signs-pledge-that-says-black-children-better-off-during-slavery/#comment-245783913"]black community[/URL] as well:

[quote][INDENT] It's got some pretty rigid-sounding stuff, but there's also this extra-special piece:
Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly [B]a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President.[/B]
Given that families were broken up regularly for sales during slavery and that rape by masters was pretty common, this could not be more offensive. I mean, putting aside the statistics on this, which are likely off-base, I could not be more angry. [B]When will Republicans inquire with actual Black people whether or not we're ok with invoking slavery to score cheap political points?[/B][/INDENT]
[/quote]To answer that last question, "never" sounds like a good bet. When it comes to the exploitation and rewriting of the ugliest chapter of U.S. history, Bachmann's a repeat offender. To hear her tell it, the slave-owning Founders who wrote the Three-Fifths Compromise into the Constitution "[URL="http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=01&year=2011&base_name=posted_without_comment"]worked tirelessly[/URL]" to end slavery, and nobody ever got chained up in the belly of a boat and shipped across the Atlantic to work for free: "[O]ther than the Native Americans who were here, [URL="http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201102090010"]all of us have the same story[/URL]," Bachmann told a Tea Party audience in February.
The organization Bachmann is empowering with her signature shares her fast-and-loose relationship with facts. The pledge's assertion that black children were better off being born into slavery cites [URL="http://www.americanvalues.org/pdfs/consequences_of_marriage.pdf"]this report[/URL] in a footnote. But how can a report published in 2005, in which "[URL="http://www.americanvalues.org/pdfs/consequences_of_marriage.pdf#page=9"]the latest data[/URL]" on black children living in nuclear families comes from [I]2004[/I], support a conclusion about black families "after the election of the USA's first African-American President"? The report cites no statistics on black families in 1860 either. Its earliest numbers come from [URL="http://www.americanvalues.org/pdfs/consequences_of_marriage.pdf#page=8"]1880[/URL]. And as long as we're dignifying this ugliness with a thorough debunking, here's what the report actually says about the [URL="http://www.americanvalues.org/pdfs/consequences_of_marriage.pdf#page=45"]legacy of slavery[/URL] in black families:

[quote]Ultimately, these problems likely have deep roots in the unique, sometimes traumatic, historical experience of the African American community. [B]Orlando Patterson has eloquently argued that slavery and Jim Crow scarred male-female relations among African Americans in ways that continue to shape current marriages - particularly in the ways that slavery denuded Black men of their proper role as husbands and fathers, fostered promiscuity, and wove violence and domination into the fabric of male-female sexual relations among Blacks[/B] (and interracial relationships).[/quote]
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Sources: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/bob-vander-plaats-iowa-pledge_n_892549.html[/url]
[url]http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201107080011[/url]

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[Generic.Monk]

why do people in the US accept such blatant retardation

even in the UK the only politicians like this would be in freakish fringe parties like the BNP

[CabooseRvB]

Because living a life in slavery is totally better.

[staticman]

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;30996347]why do people in the US accept such blatant retardation

even in the UK the only politicians like this would be in freakish fringe parties like the BNP[/QUOTE]
Because the US is still racist as all fuck?

[sir whoopsalot]

An excellent case of 'can't tell if trolling or just stupid'.

[Used Car Salesm]

On one hand, it's completely insane that this crazy bitch is actually being considered a serious candidate.

On the other hand, I almost want her to win the nomination. It's a guaranteed win for Democrats, and makes a public spectacle out of just how crazy Republicans have become.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;30996347]why do people in the US accept such blatant retardation

even in the UK the only politicians like this would be in freakish fringe parties like the BNP[/QUOTE]

Because we are allowing *them to say these things, and *they are not taught *that they're stupid things to say.

[B]EDIT[/B]: Grammar is shot, that was just silly!

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;30996430]An excellent case of 'can't tell if trolling or just stupid'.[/QUOTE]

I just assume both, its more likely to be that way.

[CabooseRvB]

[QUOTE=staticman;30996388]Because the US is still racist as all fuck?[/QUOTE]

How are we still racist?

[staticman]

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;30996468]How are we still racist?[/QUOTE]
When the 2nd most popular party embraces shit like this...?

[Curls]

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;30996468]How are we still racist?[/QUOTE]

Do you live in a cave?

[Elecbullet]

[quote]Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President.[/quote]

Christ, people

Can someone note the decline of family values without it meaning explicitly that they believe things were better back then? She's not saying slaves were better off so stop agreeing with me

[Joey Skylynx]

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;30996468]How are we still racist?[/QUOTE]I should add on, what makes every other country not racist?

[DainBramageStud]

Someone else on here said it best:

"Now we don't even have to bother making strawmen!"

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;30996347]
even in the UK the only politicians like this would be in freakish fringe parties like the BNP[/QUOTE]

because we have shame

we shamed the BNP into being like 100x less extreme

[Generic.Monk]

[QUOTE=J!NX;30996457]Because we are allowing to say these things, and not taught that they're stupid.
[/QUOTE]

what

[Elecbullet]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30996501]Christ, people

Can someone note the decline of family values without it meaning explicitly that they believe things were better back then?[/QUOTE]

Staticman why are you agreeing with this post?

I'm saying that the Republicans are not saying that slave kids were better off.

If you asked Michelle Bachman "Were slave kids better off than kids today?" she would say no. She would not even THINK yes, because that's stupid. She's just noting that family values have declined greatly since then among African-Americans.

[CabooseRvB]

[QUOTE=staticman;30996491]When the 2nd most popular party embraces shit like this...?[/QUOTE]

I never knew the GOP upheld racial values today.

It's just the representatives such as this one tend to be far more radical than the constituents they represent.

[Generic.Monk]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30996545]
If you asked Michelle Bachman "Were slave kids better off than kids today?" she would say no. She would not even THINK yes, because that's stupid. She's just noting that family values have declined greatly since then among African-Americans.[/QUOTE]

If that's all she meant then I think the thread title is a little biased, though I doubt that's all she meant.

[DainBramageStud]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30996545]Staticman why are you agreeing with this post?

I'm saying that the Republicans are not saying that slave kids were better off.

If you asked Michelle Bachman "Were slave kids better off than kids today?" she would say no. She would not even THINK yes, because that's stupid. She's just noting that family values have declined greatly since then among African-Americans.[/QUOTE]

what are family values

seems to me like it's a catch-all term that can fit whatever republicans want it to mean

[Boba_Fett]

[QUOTE=staticman;30996491]When the 2nd most popular party embraces shit like this...?[/QUOTE]
Do you honestly think the Republican Party embraces slavery?

[Elecbullet]

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30996596]what are family values

seems to me like it's a catch-all term that can fit whatever republicans want it to mean[/QUOTE]

[del]The idea of a kiddy having a mommy and a daddy, which is alien-sounding I know[/del]

however that's not the point of THIS thread, so i will reduce that statement to

the idea of a kiddy having two parents, which is alien-sounding I know

[Reimu]

Yes, it's not like slave mothers and fathers faced being traded away by their slave masters :v:.

[Generic.Monk]

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;30996578]
It's just the representatives such as this one tend to be far more radical than the constituents they represent.[/QUOTE]

Which is what's wrong with politics. The extreme, sensationalist views are good to poke fun at, and the melodrama of everything is fun to watch but at the end of the day all these do is gum up any kind of reasonable decision making. It's the reason the US is struggling to pay of its debts, because the bickering politicians can't agree on anything that works.

[Megafan]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30996621]The idea of a kiddy having a mommy and a daddy, which is alien-sounding I know[/QUOTE]

Then "Family Values" essentially boils down to "Heterosexual Values", which isn't a good thing to support.

[Dori]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30996621]The idea of a kiddy having a mommy and a daddy, which is alien-sounding I know[/QUOTE]

don't forget they have to be white, christian and at least middle-class

[Elecbullet]

[QUOTE=Sanius;30996828]don't forget they have to be white, christian and at least middle-class[/QUOTE]

oh well, what are you gonna do

[Nikota]

Yes yes. Lets embrace slavery.

Fucking bitch.

[Elecbullet]

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30996811]Then "Family Values" essentially boils down to "Heterosexual Values", which isn't a good thing to support.[/QUOTE]

welp, I'm just gonna stay outta that one

[Megafan]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30996951]welp, I'm just gonna stay outta that one[/QUOTE]

I provide a response to something you say, and you just back out? Bad form, my friend.

[Elecbullet]

nah, it gets to dangerous territory beyond this point. for me at least