• Rep. Stockman threatens to impeach Obama over gun control
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[quote]Rep. Steve Stockman threatened on Monday to defund the White House and potentially file impeachment charges if President Obama pushes forward with gun control measures without congressional approval.The Texas Republican called Mr. Obama's plans to skirt Congress and implement some controls administratively "an unconstitutional and unconscionable attack on the very founding principles of this republic." "I will seek to thwart this action by any means necessary, including but not limited to eliminating funding for implementation, defunding the White House, and even filing articles of impeachment," Mr. Stockman said. Mr. Obama said at a press conference Monday that tracking data on guns that criminals use could be one item done administratively that would not have to go through Congress. But Mr. Stockman said such executive action is "an existential threat to this nation." "Any proposal to abuse executive power and infringe upon gun rights must be repelled with the stiffest legislative force possible," he said. "Under no circumstances whatsoever may the government take any action that disarms any peaceable person — much less without due process through an executive declaration without a vote of Congress or a ruling of a court." Mr. Obama said that any gun control measures would not infringe on law-abiding citizens' Second Amendment rights. "I think that those of us who look at this problem have repeatedly said that responsible gun owners, people who have a gun for protection, for hunting, for sportsmanship, they don't have anything to worry about," Mr. Obama said. Read more: [URL]http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/jan/14/rep-stockman-threatens-impeach-obama-gun-control/#ixzz2HzS6ToOj[/URL] Follow us: [URL="http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=ctd-fI3Dar4z1uacwqm_6r&u=washtimes"]@washtimes on Twitter[/URL][/quote] No major news site appears to be talking about this so I had to rely on a blog. Sorry!
Obama can't (legally) use an executive order and even come within any measurable distance of The Constitution. Also, Congress is still divided enough where gun control will (hopefully) go nowhere. So even as a fellow gun owner, I'm really not all that worried. There's not enough middle-ground of people indecisive or uninformed to really sway this issue, in my opinion, and the gun owners tend to be well informed and vocal (many of them too vocal.) The only thing to fear is that if something unconstitutional or radical pops up/passes/magically-piddles-down-from-the-heavens that restricts/bans weapons overnight. Then you'll see every redneck, Southerner and (most) gun owners go apeshit. That's when it'll get scary. :v:
[quote] Mr. Obama said that any gun control measures would not infringe on law-abiding citizens' Second Amendment rights. "I think that those of us who look at this problem have repeatedly said that responsible gun owners, people who have a gun for protection, for hunting, for sportsmanship, they don't have anything to worry about," Mr. Obama said.[/quote] Right... I got lots of boxes this time :p
Assuming the story is legit, this could actually be legitimate. All else aside, if the President sees his proposed actions are unpopular on all fronts and goes ahead and passes them anyway, he needs to answer for that. Now this seems a bit extreme, but the thing is, Stockman may actually be able to get somewhere with this. I'm not entirely certain I agree with it though. I hope it doesn't come to this.
[quote]Mr. Obama said at a press conference Monday that tracking data on guns that criminals use could be one item done administratively that would not have to go through Congress.[/quote] The government can't even track the guns they illegally gave to Mexican cartels and they want to have a gun tracking system here in America for "the guns criminals use"? The amount of sense here is nonexistent.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;39220532]The government can't even track the guns they illegally gave to Mexican cartels and they want to have a gun tracking system here in America for "the guns criminals use"? The amount of sense here is nonexistent.[/QUOTE] I think what it refers to is tracking statistical data on the kinds of guns used in crimes for purposes of identifying weapon types that should be more tightly controlled.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;39220563]I think what it refers to is tracking statistical data on the kinds of guns used in crimes for purposes of identifying weapon types that should be more tightly controlled.[/QUOTE] the answer you will get is handguns every time.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;39220563]I think what it refers to is tracking statistical data on the kinds of guns used in crimes for purposes of identifying weapon types that should be more tightly controlled.[/QUOTE] Oh. Then it's only logical to have the names of anyone with a handgun through a Federal background check database, considering pistols are the reason behind gun violence in America. This won't affect black market or grandfathered pistols. I think it's necessary to sign off on a gun sale like a pistol like it is a car, a legal document showing previous owner, new owner, etc. Long rifles, bolt or semi-auto shouldn't be regulated because they're not a thing contributing to the overall problem of gun violence in America.
[QUOTE=Doom14;39220355]Obama can't (legally) use an executive order and even come within any measurable distance of The Constitution. Also, Congress is still divided enough where gun control will (hopefully) go nowhere. So even as a fellow gun owner, I'm really not all that worried. There's not enough middle-ground of people indecisive or uninformed to really sway this issue, in my opinion, and the gun owners tend to be well informed and vocal (many of them too vocal.) The only thing to fear is that if something unconstitutional or radical pops up/passes/magically-piddles-down-from-the-heavens that restricts/bans weapons overnight. Then you'll see every redneck, Southerner and (most) gun owners go apeshit. That's when it'll get scary. :v:[/QUOTE] Presidents have been using executive orders to pass unconstitutional bullshit for years. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders"]Taking a look at this list of executive orders[/URL], I see a lot of shit that I think should have been introduced as a bill and voted on by congress, rather than passed through as an executive order. The majority of the stuff is fine like creating task forces to deal with problems that arise and other things that don't really involve a whole lot. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9102"]Don't forget about the relocation of japanese americans in WW2 to camps executive order.[/URL] All it would take is an executive order amending the National Firearms Act that would reclassify what is considered a Title II weapon. All the systems are already in place to handle Title II weapons, all they would have to do is change the criteria of what makes a weapon a Title II weapon.
[QUOTE=Siminov;39220398]Right...[/QUOTE] yeah fuck obama hes gonna take our guns away just like he did last term
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39220805]yeah fuck obama hes gonna take our guns away just like he did last term[/QUOTE] Last term, guns weren't a big issue as it is today.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39221013]Last term, guns weren't a big issue as it is today.[/QUOTE] Also, he was concerned about getting re-elected last term. This time he's a wildcard - we'll have to wait and see. I like Obama, we just seem to disagree on this subject and I hope he doesn't fuck me and my fellow gun-owners over. [editline]15th January 2013[/editline] [quote]Mr. Obama said that any gun control measures would not infringe on law-abiding citizens' Second Amendment rights. "I think that those of us who look at this problem have repeatedly said that responsible gun owners, people who have a gun for protection, for hunting, for sportsmanship, they don't have anything to worry about," Mr. Obama said.[/quote] I'm optimistic about this, but I hope that those measures don't make it harder for law abiding citizens to get [I]more[/I] guns in the future.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;39220488]Assuming the story is legit, this could actually be legitimate. All else aside, if the President sees his proposed actions are unpopular on all fronts and goes ahead and passes them anyway, he needs to answer for that. Now this seems a bit extreme, but the thing is, Stockman may actually be able to get somewhere with this. I'm not entirely certain I agree with it though. I hope it doesn't come to this.[/QUOTE] The issue with this is that the administration needs to do a [i]lot[/i] of things that very few in the populace will like if they're to solve or attempt to solve the problems facing America.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;39220563]I think what it refers to is tracking statistical data on the kinds of guns used in crimes for purposes of identifying weapon types that should be more tightly controlled.[/QUOTE] The FBI already does that.
I don't really care for the President either, but, seriously, talk about over-reacting.
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It's pretty much just an empty threat, about a fourth of presidents have had similar threats and attempts. Hell, Walter B. Jones already introduced H. CON. RES 107 in March of 2012, saying that Obama should be impeached for the drone strikes. Its mostly just a political statement that shows his constituents that he hasn't abandoned them. However, I do think that issuing an executive order that effects one of the amendments is rather sleazy, since the legislative branch is the only branch that can add or alter amendments.
[QUOTE=TestECull;39221460]The issue with this is that the administration needs to do a [i]lot[/i] of things that very few in the populace will like if they're to solve or attempt to solve the problems facing America.[/QUOTE] Banning guns isn't going to solve anything, though. What they need to do - and you're right, nobody will like this - is reform our mental health care system. If you don't tackle the root of the crime, you'll always have criminals. Preventing law-abiding citizens from arming themselves certainly isn't gonna make criminals less persistent or deadly, that's for sure.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;39221267]Also, he was concerned about getting re-elected last term. This time he's a wildcard - we'll have to wait and see. I like Obama, we just seem to disagree on this subject and I hope he doesn't fuck me and my fellow gun-owners over.[/QUOTE] You like Obama yet you like guns. I see that as irony.
[QUOTE=faze;39222947]You like Obama yet you like guns. I see that as irony.[/QUOTE] Please scream about how Obama will take away all your guns now
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39222961]Please scream about how Obama will take away all your guns now[/QUOTE] I can't dignify that with a response. Apparently you're ignorant to what is going on. I'll give you that and stop there.
[QUOTE=faze;39222972]I can't dignify that with a response. Apparently you're ignorant to what is going on. I'll give you that and stop there.[/QUOTE] I know about what's happening. I still laugh when you think it's a direct attack in the way you're putting it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39222989]I know about what's happening. I still laugh when you think it's a direct attack in the way you're putting it.[/QUOTE] Obama wants to ban "assault weapons" which are not even assault weapons. Assault weapons are full auto or select fire. Not scary black guns that shoot "high powered rounds" and have "high capacity 'magazine clips'" as they call them.
[QUOTE=faze;39223001]Obama wants to ban "assault weapons" which are not even assault weapons. Assault weapons are full auto or select fire. Not scary black guns that shoot "high powered rounds" and have "high capacity 'magazine clips'" as they call them.[/QUOTE] Yes, I know this is stupid but seriously this isn't going to go through.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39222961]Please scream about how Obama will take away all your guns now[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-paranoid-government-coming-for-his-guns,30638/[/url]
[QUOTE=faze;39222947]You like Obama yet you like guns. I see that as irony.[/QUOTE] I'm a communist and support gun rights. Is this ironic too or does none of this matter to the topic?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39223030]Yes, I know this is stupid but seriously this isn't going to go through.[/QUOTE] I bet they said that in 94 when Clinton banned "assault" rifles.
[QUOTE=faze;39223053]I bet they said that in 94 when Clinton banned "assault" rifles.[/QUOTE] yes, these things are stupid, we get it. you posting here about it does what? if you're sincerely concerned about losing your weapons, why don't you stop scream "OBUMMER TOOK MAH GUNS" and do what, i dunno, democracy lets you do and write your senator/congressman/etc.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39223075]yes, these things are stupid, we get it. you posting here about it does what? if you're sincerely concerned about losing your weapons, why don't you stop scream "OBUMMER TOOK MAH GUNS" and do what, i dunno, democracy lets you do and write your senator/congressman/etc.[/QUOTE] I write various folks and sign petitions and donate money to good causes. Just venting after reading "BAN THE SCARY GUNZ!!!!11111oneone." CNN comments Sue me.
[QUOTE=faze;39222947]You like Obama yet you like guns. I see that as irony.[/QUOTE] I support Obama on most topics, just not gun ownership. He's much better than the other options at least! I'd rather have no guns and more equality for minorities (including gays) than the inverse, but the best outcome for me is guns [I]and[/I] equality. [editline]15th January 2013[/editline] --so enjoy living in your fantasy world where you can only like someone if you agree with them 100% on everything.
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