Poll: Americans say U.S. political debate is increasingly uncivil - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Members of Congress are getting positive ratings for the way they responded to the shooting in Alexandria, Virginia, last week. President Trump gets slightly lower -- though still net positive -- evaluations for his response to the attack, partly because Democrats are less likely to approve of his handling than of Congress'. Fifty-three percent of Americans approved of Congress' response, and 29 percent disapproved, while 46 percent approved of President Trump's response, and 36 percent disapproved.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-americans-say-u-s-political-debate-is-increasingly-uncivil/"]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-americans-say-u-s-political-debate-is-increasingly-uncivil/[/URL]

I agree both parties have become more polarized.

Finding a politician on either side that keeps a cool head is, unfortunately, a rarity. Everyone on both sides of the aisle indulge in bitter comebacks and thinks that the best way to bring the country together is to disparage the other side in a furious speech that earns applause from those that support them and the absolute disgust of those that don't. Both sides are equally in contempt of civility, but neither side will blink first, and it won't change until enough people abandon the war of vitriol in favor of charisma. Then they just have to survive the backlash from those voters that won't be satisfied until the other party lies dead or deposed. Easier said than done, I know, but it's better to try and fail than to never try at all and wallow in complicity.

[quote]Most Republicans do not think of Democrats as threats to their way of life, but merely as people they disagree with on politics. Likewise, most Democrats feel the same about Republicans in this regard.[/quote] It goes just a bit beyond disagreement I'm afraid. People, including radical centrists, should realize that by now. They're preparing to vote on repealing Obamacare next week; McConnell invoked Rule 14 back on June 7th in order to bypass the committee process so things could be expedited. On the 8th while Comey was testifying against Trump and his administration (and while everybody else was distracted by that), the House quietly passed a rollback of Dodd-Frank. So within just a coupleish weeks, we've been on course to not only go back to the good old days before the ACA when millions of Americans had serious problems with healthcare costs and thousands died as a result, but we're also going back to when Wall Street and the financial institutions of the country could basically do as they pleased while banking off the mantra of "Too Big to Fail"-- which ultimately led to us suffering the worst economic crisis seen since the Great Depression. And those are just a couple of recent issues that should be holding everyone's immediate attention because of how serious the consequences of them will be. There's one side disproportionately pushing for this sort of objectively terrible stuff, and it isn't the Democrats. Kudos to Obama for trying to work with them at least back in the old days. Even he couldn't heal this divide though.

I'm glad that the president knows how to provide unity in these trying times.

[QUOTE=Govna;52388267]It goes just a bit beyond disagreement I'm afraid. People, including radical centrists, should realize that by now. They're preparing to vote on repealing Obamacare next week; McConnell invoked Rule 14 back on June 7th in order to bypass the committee process so things could be expedited. On the 8th while Comey was testifying against Trump and his administration (and while everybody else was distracted by that), the House quietly passed a rollback of Dodd-Frank. So within just a coupleish weeks, we've been on course to not only go back to the good old days before the [B]ACA when millions of Americans had serious problems with healthcare costs and thousands died as a result[/B], but we're also going back to when Wall Street and the financial institutions of the country could basically do as they pleased while banking off the mantra of "Too Big to Fail"-- which ultimately led to us suffering the worst economic crisis seen since the Great Depression. And those are just a couple of recent issues that should be holding everyone's immediate attention because of how serious the consequences of them will be. There's one side disproportionately pushing for this sort of objectively terrible stuff, and it isn't the Democrats. Kudos to Obama for trying to work with them at least back in the old days. Even he couldn't heal this divide though.[/QUOTE] Why do I have to tell you The GOP is not lying it is in a "Death Spiral" in Mid America. This is another thing people ignore criticism from the other side to improve ideas, it's still just us vs. them.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52388276]Why do I have to tell you The GOP is not lying it is in a "Death Spiral" in Mid America. This is another thing people ignore criticism from the other side to improve ideas, it's still just us vs. them.[/QUOTE] it only entered a death spiral on january 20th when trump took office and waffled for months and months about making critical payments. insurance companies are totally confused and want some clarity that will not come so they are making extremely cautious decisions

I've been saying this for 15 years now. Politics is nothing more than geriatric 8th graders shouting derogatory remarks at each other, disparaging each other, and generally just making a mockery of themselves. It's why I'm more or less apathetic to politics in general.

[QUOTE=TestECull;52388393]I've been saying this for 15 years now. Politics is nothing more than geriatric 8th graders shouting derogatory remarks at each other, disparaging each other, and generally just making a mockery of themselves. It's why I'm more or less apathetic to politics in general.[/QUOTE] Yea because the best way to fix something that is broken is to throw your hands up in the air and say "I don't care!". Like one of the reasons Trump came into power is so many people were so SURE he would lose and didn't even bother to turn up voting because they disliked Clinton almost as much. So you're literally part of the problem you're so righteously dis-including yourself from.

Well when you have a president that screams that the media is the enemy of the people. And one of his sons proclaimed that Democrats "aren't even people"...

You have a government that is actively trying to fuck you and neonazi groups running around supporting them. You also have a president who not only flat out insults his enemies, but discredit any media that paints him in a negative light. You also have a rampant corruption problem that the GOP is trying desperately to hide and an investigation they keep trying to collectively kill and sweep under the rug. No wonder the left is becoming more radicalized.

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52389488]You have a government that is actively trying to fuck you and neonazi groups running around supporting them. You also have a president who not only flat out insults his enemies, but discredit any media that paints him in a negative light. You also have a rampant corruption problem that the GOP is trying desperately to hide and an investigation they keep trying to collectively kill and sweep under the rug. No wonder the left is becoming more radicalized.[/QUOTE] Both left and right are getting radicalized. The more radical of the two sides have built up this incredible strawman of their opposition. Whether its the racist sexist nazi on the right or the snowflake SJW gun grabber feminist on the left. You'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of nutcases that represent either side. The facts are the majority of Americans still fall near (if not exactly on) the center of the political spectrum.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;52389515]Both left and right are getting radicalized. The more radical of the two sides have built up this incredible strawman of their opposition. Whether its the racist sexist nazi on the right or the snowflake SJW gun grabber feminist on the left. You'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of nutcases that represent either side. The facts are the majority of Americans still fall near (if not exactly on) the center of the political spectrum.[/QUOTE] This idea of a golden middle is false. While I have an obvious liberal bias here, I think it's obvious that the Republicans have a much bigger problem with appealing to their radical elements than the Democrats. Pandering to the far right is day-to-day business for the conservative establishment in America. The Democrats don't even come close

[QUOTE=TestECull;52388393]I've been saying this for 15 years now. Politics is nothing more than geriatric 8th graders shouting derogatory remarks at each other, disparaging each other, and generally just making a mockery of themselves. It's why I'm more or less apathetic to politics in general.[/QUOTE] Your apathy is only making it more difficult for the rest of us. Please get involved.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52389678]This idea of a golden middle is false. While I have an obvious liberal bias here, I think it's obvious that the Republicans have a much bigger problem with appealing to their radical elements than the Democrats. Pandering to the far right is day-to-day business for the conservative establishment in America. The Democrats don't even come close[/QUOTE] The difference between extremism on the left and right is that the extremist left is burning shit in the streets where the extremist right is chilling in the white house.

[QUOTE=Toybasher;52388032]I agree both parties have become more polarized.[/QUOTE] Now these are the hot takes I come to FP for Really though, I think this is an unfortunate consequence of the information age. It's much easier to spread sensational information, including complete falsehoods, and MUCH easier to isolate yourself in ideologically consistent bubbles where ideas that can be completely wrong and harmful bounce around and become entrenched in the minds of REAL people that then can go out and vote. There's no real solution to this, so I fear that the internet, as great as it is, may actually be the complete undoing of our political discourse.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52389883]The difference between extremism on the left and right is that the extremist left is burning shit in the streets where the extremist right is chilling in the white house.[/QUOTE] And the fact that the "Left" party has done nothing but alienate the extreme left or even slightly-left of center wing of its base, and the "Right" party has been courting their extreme counterparts. I think that's the scariest issue here - while the Democrats have consistently disowned groups like Antifa among others, the Republicans simply accept the presence of radical wings in their camp.

[QUOTE=U-Lander;52389941]And the fact that the "Left" party has done nothing but alienate the extreme left or even slightly-left of center wing of its base, and the "Right" party has been courting their extreme counterparts. I think that's the scariest issue here - while the Democrats have consistently disowned groups like Antifa among others, the Republicans simply accept the presence of radical wings in their camp.[/QUOTE] The left hasn't disowned antifa as they never really approved of it to begin with (unlike the alt right and trump). But it has held back criticism of BLM in the times where it was appropriate which does sadden me. Not even going to mention how annoying SJW shit is in colleges around the globe - not going to solely blame the democratic party in the US though, that's a more widespread issue. Of course, I don't think I need to point out how absolutely retarded the right is at the moment, there are enough good examples ITT already.

[QUOTE=wewt!;52390110]The left hasn't disowned antifa as they never really approved of it to begin with (unlike the alt right and trump). But it has held back criticism of BLM in the times where it was appropriate which does sadden me. Not even going to mention how annoying SJW shit is in colleges around the globe - not going to solely blame the democratic party in the US though, that's a more widespread issue. Of course, I don't think I need to point out how absolutely retarded the right is at the moment, there are enough good examples ITT already.[/QUOTE] I think them not calling out BLM has more to do with trying to retain voter base; they really can't afford to lose any more voters, and calling out BLM will just lose them the black youth vote even more (from apathy, that is. BLM certainly isn't going republican, lmao.)

[QUOTE=UziXxX;52389515]Both left and right are getting radicalized. The more radical of the two sides have built up this incredible strawman of their opposition. Whether its the racist sexist nazi on the right or the snowflake SJW gun grabber feminist on the left. You'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of nutcases that represent either side. The facts are the majority of Americans still fall near (if not exactly on) the center of the political spectrum.[/QUOTE] No I don't have to go very far to find senators from the tea party or the likes of Mitch Mcconnel to find people who are actively maliciously trying to hurt other people.

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It's only a matter of time before pipe-bombs and bullets start flying like the 70's again.

Politics is increasingly uncivil? [b]Gee,[/b] I wonder whatever made people think [i]that?[/i] [img]http://crooksandliars.com/files/imagecache/node_primary/primary_image/16/10/angry_trump_0.jpg[/img] [video=youtube;qUEuWF3vpiE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUEuWF3vpiE&list=PLaHkAj_vErG4N4NpFJl0gIb5tQJwh9K7t&index=20[/video]

honestly we're only a step off the days when guys would duel on the floor of the senate

when life keeps getting harder and harder for the majority of people you're gonna see this more and more [editline]23rd June 2017[/editline] democrats are an awful opposition to republicans unless they actually swing left

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52392892]honestly we're only a step off the days when guys would duel on the floor of the senate[/QUOTE] not even, what was it, two state reps that got into a fight because one called ICE on protestors

[QUOTE=Turnips5;52393209]when life keeps getting harder and harder for the majority of people you're gonna see this more and more [editline]23rd June 2017[/editline] democrats are an awful opposition to republicans unless they actually swing left[/QUOTE] The problem is that swinging left doesn't work terribly well in the US, they're still caught up in the version of the Cold War that involves Commies being an existential threat to the US, which taints the left by association. It doesn't matter that almost every nation that opposes the US is actually a right wing authoritarian state, (NK is about the only exception I can think of) the left is still "the enemy".

[QUOTE=Craigewan;52393795]The problem is that swinging left doesn't work terribly well in the US, they're still caught up in the version of the Cold War that involves Commies being an existential threat to the US, which taints the left by association. It doesn't matter that almost every nation that opposes the US is actually a right wing authoritarian state, (NK is about the only exception I can think of) the left is still "the enemy".[/QUOTE] the trick is to just push socialist policy without ever actually calling it socialist it may interest you to know that single payer is [url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx]actually a popular policy[/url] in the US!

[QUOTE=Turnips5;52393983]the trick is to just push socialist policy without ever actually calling it socialist it may interest you to know that single payer is [url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx]actually a popular policy[/url] in the US![/QUOTE] Call it tweedledum, they condemn it; call it tweedledee, they love it. Theodore Roosevelt said something to that effect when he was president, and he was absolutely right. Most people are too stupid to actually investigate beyond the name and other superficial details.

I think part of it comes from more understanding of how much of dire strafes, that many go through such as financial issues and oppression by corporations as well as government, are heavily derived from those who hold power currently. People view those who support said oppressors as enemies while the supporters hope that they're right in those who they support, with said situation happening in cycles to an extent. I think it's understandable to be volatile towards those cause you and those you care about pain, though I don't think the supporters of the oppressors are an outlet for being volatile as they're only a source of power instead of the power itself.