Lib Dems pledge British return to EU in the next general election. - Polidicks

[IMG]http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/Tim-Farron-pointing-his-finger-592038.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]The Liberal Democrats will fight the next general election with a pledge to take Britain back into the EU, claiming the referendum result was secured on a campaign of lies. Voters backed Brexit in a “howl of anger” at out-of-touch politicians, but must be given the chance to rethink the decision, according to the Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron. The cheap slogans of Ukip’s Nigel Farage and Tories Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are unravelling, and the public will feel betrayed when promises on the NHS and immigration are not delivered, the party said. Since the shock referendum result, the Lib Dems have recorded thousands of voters signing up to become members. Farron said he will make the case for the country to rejoin the EU at the next general election.“For many millions of people, this was not just a vote about Europe,” he said. “It was a howl of anger at politicians and institutions who they felt were out of touch and had let them down. “The British people deserve the chance not to be stuck with the appalling consequences of a leave campaign that stoked that anger with the lies of Farage, Johnson and Gove. [/QUOTE] Source: [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/lib-dems-pledge-british-return-eu-next-general-election"]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/lib-dems-pledge-british-return-eu-next-general-election[/URL]

Oh give it a rest already. The people have spoken, whether you agree or disagree with what they voted for.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50595909]Oh give it a rest already. The people have spoken, whether you agree or disagree with what they voted for.[/QUOTE] Less than 2 percent margin decided by mislead fuckwits, resulting in the careers of millions of actual future workers being annihilated is not the people speaking, it's bullshit.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50595909]Oh give it a rest already. The people have spoken, whether you agree or disagree with what they voted for.[/QUOTE] but they're making an election promise the point is that if people vote for them then they have the democratic mandate to rejoin it

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Wonder why people believe that the results of the referendum is irreversible and sealed in time. By 2020, people may change their mind.

Best 2 out of 3?

[QUOTE=Chaitin;50595950]Wonder why people believe that the results of the referendum is irreversible and sealed in time. By 2020, people may change their mind.[/QUOTE] By the year 2020? More like 20:20 on Friday evening

[QUOTE=Chaitin;50595950]Wonder why people believe that the results of the referendum is irreversible and sealed in time. By 2020, people may change their mind.[/QUOTE] It would be really politically unstable for a whole nation to go in and out of something like this every few years and really not healthy for their credit or economy. What if by 2030, UK votes to leave again?

[QUOTE=Monkah;50595909]Oh give it a rest already. The people have spoken, whether you agree or disagree with what they voted for.[/QUOTE] Then a second vote wouldn't be an issue right? The people will just vote to leave again if that is what is truly wanted.

[QUOTE=winsanity;50596132]Then a second vote wouldn't be an issue right? The people will just vote to leave again if that is what is truly wanted.[/QUOTE] The general assumption, to my understanding, is that all the people who voted "leave" as a joke or didn't vote at all thinking remain would win anyway would rise up and vote remain a second time since the margin was so close. Personally, I always have doubt in "silent majority" beliefs but with margin that close it's slightly plausible.

[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;50595918]Less than 2 percent margin decided by mislead fuckwits, resulting in the careers of millions of actual future workers being annihilated is not the people speaking, it's bullshit.[/QUOTE] Why are you assuming they're misinformed simply because you disagree with them?

allowing a referendum to pass by only 2 percent is extremely dumb. If the referendum won by like 20 or even 30 percent then yeah it has the popular support, but 2 percent quite simply is not enough to show that.

Out is out. The guy in the EU has made that pretty clear.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;50596141]Why are you assuming they're misinformed simply because you disagree with them?[/QUOTE] Because there's plenty of evidence that there was manipulation of information and full-on lies (iirc a big british politician promised that some money would go to the NHS if they left, then denied it afterwards)

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;50596141]Why are you assuming they're misinformed simply because you disagree with them?[/QUOTE] The potential for every single voter fully understand the economic policies, laws, infrastructure and money flow that is involved with the UK-EU relationship is hilariously minuscule. There is no chance such a complex policy as being in the EU is fully comprehensible to the majority of voters, let alone the fact that majority will either assume they understand or refuse to learn before voting. It is [I]perfectly plausible[/I] to assume the vast majority of voters were misinformed on at least a handful of points regarding the EU and the UK's status within it, if not all points. This is why direct democracy and referendums are immensely bad and should only be left alone to exceptionally simple policies and smaller laws. The fact that the British pound nosedived in under 24 hours after the vote is a testament that voters were not prepared for this outcome despite voting for it.

[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;50595918]Less than 2 percent margin decided by mislead fuckwits, resulting in the careers of millions of actual future workers being annihilated is not the people speaking, it's bullshit.[/QUOTE] Oh give it a rest already, if the vote was the other way around, it'd be the same shit but in reverse. Plus, the vote difference was by 1.2-1.3 million votes, so don't downscale it like it was just a tiny fraction of voters, ontop of that, only 72% of the nation turned up to vote, I'd more be asking why 28% of the nation didn't take this vote seriously. Plus, the only reason why the stockmarkets and currency exchanges are in shock right now is because they didn't expect leave to win, not because we magically became dirt poor over the outcome of the vote. I don't see mass price inflation and such occuring like some people have been screaming. Either way, whats done is done, we'll now have to hope that we get an actual prime minister who'll be able to get us the best deal out of this exit without being a total pushover like Cameron was.

[QUOTE=lionheart1066;50596153]Oh give it a rest already, if the vote was the other way around, it'd be the same shit but in reverse. Plus, the vote difference was by 1.2-1.3 million votes, so don't downscale it like it was just a tiny fraction of voters, ontop of that, only 72% of the nation turned up to vote, I'd more be asking why 28% of the nation didn't take this vote seriously. Plus, the only reason why the stockmarkets and currency exchanges are in shock right now is because they didn't expect leave to win, not because we magically became dirt poor over the outcome of the vote. I don't see mass price inflation and such occuring like some people have been screaming.[/QUOTE] With voting, 52% is barely a technical majority. Referendums like this should only be taken in account when it is a landslide vote, such as 60%+ or stick with the status quo. Now that 48% is now under the tyranny of this mini majority.

Tyranny? It's a country leaving the EU not legal slavery of Scottish people

Inb4 the generic copied message that "you wouldn't hold a referendum on the 1st amendment" [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Meme reply" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;50596169]Tyranny? It's a country leaving the EU not legal slavery of Scottish people[/QUOTE] Should feel sorry for the people of Cornwall that are heavily dependent on EU money flow, then. Or those in Gibraltar.

It would be rather weird if you lived in Gibraltar and didn't have freedom of movement into spain

I have no idea who to vote for next election, maybe Lib Dems will be the wild card.

You can't make that pledge, that's not your choice at all. Its not even like some of the bollocks that Leave was spreading which was hypothetically probable, its making a promise that someone completely different will make the decision to let us back in, even though you have no influence over them aside from reapplying. Shit like this and the petition for a second referendum are making Remain look petty as fuck and as much people shit on Leave for being reactionary, Remain is getting worse for it as well ever since we lost. Its a bad situation in my opinion but we seriously need to slow down and quit this knee jerk reaction.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;50596169]Tyranny? It's a country leaving the EU not legal slavery of Scottish people[/QUOTE] I think all the people about to be cast into economic turmoil and possibly made homeless as a result of this would strongly disagree

Oh wait, he didn't say he would just magically get us in, he said he'd make a case that still could potentially fail. My mistake. Muh merge

[QUOTE=Takuat;50596196]You can't make that pledge, that's not your choice at all. Its not even like some of the bollocks that Leave was spreading which was hypothetically probable, its making a promise that someone completely different will make the decision to let us back in, even though you have no influence over them aside from reapplying. Shit like this and the petition for a second referendum are making Remain look petty as fuck and as much people shit on Leave for being reactionary, Remain is getting worse for it as well ever since we lost. Its a bad situation in my opinion but we seriously need to slow down and quit this knee jerk reaction.[/QUOTE] It's perfectly viable for them to make their pledge and follow through if voted into the majority. They're the people's representatives, if they are voted into office on this campaign platform then they people have in turn voted to rejoin. Such is how a proper democracy and republic works, not through direct democracy with ignorant voters putting a voice to something they know little to nothing about.

[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;50595918]Less than 2 percent margin decided by mislead fuckwits, resulting in the careers of millions of actual future workers being annihilated is not the people speaking, it's bullshit.[/QUOTE] its okay to ignore the wishes of the majority because clearly the majority is illiterate because they don't agree with me sorry, thats not how democracy works. you lost, get over it

[QUOTE=Takuat;50596196]You can't make that pledge, that's not your choice at all. Its not even like some of the bollocks that Leave was spreading which was hypothetically probable, its making a promise that someone completely different will make the decision to let us back in, even though you have no influence over them aside from reapplying. Shit like this and the petition for a second referendum are making Remain look petty as fuck and as much people shit on Leave for being reactionary, Remain is getting worse for it as well ever since we lost. Its a bad situation in my opinion but we seriously need to slow down and quit this knee jerk reaction.[/QUOTE] This isn't the fucking football, it's not petty to not want your life destroyed by reactionary twats.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50596202]I think all the people about to be cast into economic turmoil and possibly made homeless as a result of this would strongly disagree[/QUOTE] I'm sure there will be economic turmoil but people cast into homelessness seems like a huge stretch, do you have evidence to back your claim?