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[quote=yahoonews] Photographs and memories are all that remain of Sara Goldberg's relationship with her daughter, Ashley, a situation the mother is blaming on the Church of Scientology. The Florida resident says she spent 36 years in the church, reaching the top level of spiritual progression. She says the problems began when her son, Nick Lister, developed doubts about the church. He started associating with vocal critics of the church, including Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder, former high-ranking officials who quit and are now condemned by the church as liars and apostates. [B]"I didn't like the way they recruited," Lister said. He also had concerns about the church's theories about life and the universe. As a result, he said, he was labeled a "suppressive person."[/B] His mother says church officials actively and repeatedly pressured her and her Scientologist husband to "disconnect" from her son, to cut off ties completely. She feared that refusing meant that she, too, would be labeled "suppressive" – likely leading to the loss of her relationship with her daughter, still a devout Scientologist. The situation, Goldberg says, forced her into a quandary. "No mother should ever have to make that choice," she said. The church has long maintained it doesn't force anyone into disconnecting. In a statement, Church of Scientology officials said, "The Church cannot and does not dictate or manage the family relationship of parishioners. "Any accusations or inferences that the Church interfered in the private affairs of this family are untrue." But Goldberg showed ABC News a document – one she first shared with the Tampa Bay Times, which first broke the story – in which a church official says he cannot approve of her continued relationship with her son, explicitly using the word "disconnection." Ultimately, she says, she and her husband chose to stand by Nick. As a result, they were both labeled "suppressive," she said, [B]and their daughter chose to cut ties.[/B] "She says, 'Y'know, until it changes I have to disconnect from you,'" Ashley said, according to Goldberg. "And we held each other and cried."[/quote] [url]http://news.yahoo.com/fla-woman-says-church-scientology-ripped-her-family-165522676--abc-news-topstories.html[/url] I'm glad they atleast stood by their son in the end; but the daughter still 'disconnected' with them. Here's the reponse from scientology. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/page/church-scientology-statement-22942003[/url]
"We're totally not to blame for any of this, also look how great our religion is guys!" What a bunch of dicks.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;44282758]"We're totally not to blame for any of this, also look how great our religion is guys!" What a bunch of dicks.[/QUOTE] No surprise, they've been known to drive people to suicide or kill them if they don't "donate" to them
I thought Scientology was banned?
[QUOTE=Crash155;44282764]No surprise, they've been known to drive people to suicide or kill them if they don't "donate" to them[/QUOTE] Please be kind and donate to us before we start jamming dead cats in your mailbox.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;44282789]I thought Scientology was banned?[/QUOTE] In most of the world AFAIK. They have too much dirt on people here in the US to allow themselves to get banned.
Scientology creeps me the fuck out and I can't WAIT for the ban to become global.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;44282867]Scientology creeps me the fuck out and I can't WAIT for the ban to become global.[/QUOTE] Not only does it creep me out as well, it's a danger to society. If any of them got into the US congress at any majority, then the US population can be considered slaves of Scientology.
They already manged to infiltrate that city government in Florida once, before the FBI raided their offices and found them out. They're probably also responsible for more deaths than our most famous serial killers and spree shooters.
[QUOTE=zombini;44282818]In most of the world AFAIK. They have too much dirt on people here in the US to allow themselves to get banned.[/QUOTE] They also have tom cruise
Let's go through the 'Church's' state to this issue piece by piece. [quote=Cult of Scientology] Every individual in this country has the right to freedom of religion, expression and association. [/quote] Starting off good, even though this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. At least they understand the First Amendment. [quote=CoS] Contrary to the myths spread by a handful of anti-Scientologists, and fringe bloggers who would have you believe otherwise, the Church cannot and does not dictate or manage the family relationships of parishioners. In fact, the Church of Scientology encourages its members to have strong family relationships, regardless of whether those relatives are members or non-members. [/quote] Throughout the years, more and more people have come forward saying the exact opposite of the statement. With instances ranging from light suggestions to outright stalking and harassing the person if the idea forthwith. The only people that they want you to have a strong relationship with are the ones that you will have said relations with. [quote=CoS] Your story is slanted and its suggestions are false and offensive. Any accusations or inferences that the Church interfered in the private affairs of this family are untrue. The Church acted with compassion, responding to requests for assistance including helping their son deal with his drug addiction. [/quote] It might well be true that the 'church' initially helped her son with his addiction to drugs in the beginning, but after having doubts decided that trying to keep the son away from his mother was the best way to stop him from putting forward any ideas that are contrary to the 'church's' beliefs. [quote=CoS] At the end of the day, families make their own decisions and carry them out, which is what happened here. In this case, it is entirely up to the adult daughter with whom she chooses to associate. She has made her own decision not to see her mother and stepfather because they are openly hostile to her chosen faith and that of her husband and daughter. Beyond that, the Church of Scientology declines to debate the meaning or application of the voluntary practices of the religion, with the emphasis on voluntary. They are defined in detail on our website and in Scientology publications. [/quote] I don't think I've seen someone issue an official statement ending in "At the end of the day," in quite some time. Heck the last time I used that was in 8th grade or so. Anyway, If you ever have to attach adjectives to someone's child, then I feel that you are actively on the defensive about the issues presented on said subject. They also decline to debate any of their practices because they could be described as brain washing with good certainty, but sure you'll put an emphasis on voluntary while I put an emphasis on [i]brain washing[/i]. [quote=CoS] Meanwhile, the Church of Scientology is experiencing our greatest period of expansion ever, having opened 40 new ideal Scientology Churches in major cities and cultural centers around the world in recent years. Three weeks ago Scientologists from more than 30 European nations celebrated the dedication of our new Ideal Advanced Church of Scientology for Europe in Copenhagen, Denmark. Last week, 6,000 guests attended the rededication of our Ideal Advanced Churches in Los Angeles. And just this weekend, the Church celebrated the 103rd anniversary of L. Ron Hubbard’s birthday with the highest number of Scientologists in history as can be seen at [url]www.scientology.org[/url] [/quote] Hey guys, I don't know what this crazy lady and her borked son are up to trying to defame us, but have you heard how awesome we are. Man we're just great, you should check out this neat website we have, we know you'll love it Sincerely, --Your favorite cult, Scientology.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44282983]They already manged to infiltrate that city government in Florida once, before the FBI raided their offices and found them out. They're probably also responsible for more deaths than our most famous serial killers and spree shooters.[/QUOTE] Bloody Hell, how did we let that cult get this far? [editline]celebrities[/editline] [QUOTE=kiloy;44283197]They also have tom cruise[/QUOTE] Oh, right. Even with the celebrity influence it's creepy that these guys have spread as much as they have.
[QUOTE=kiloy;44283197]They also have tom cruise[/QUOTE] And John Travolta.
[QUOTE=zombini;44282818][B]In most of the world AFAIK[/B]. They have too much dirt on people here in the US to allow themselves to get banned.[/QUOTE] That's wrong, unfortunately. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_status_by_country[/url]
Hey this headline looks really familiar,I wonder why? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Ge9hfEM.png[/IMG] Oh that's why. :v:
[QUOTE=Kindashort;44285626]Hey this headline looks really familiar,I wonder why? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Ge9hfEM.png[/IMG] Oh that's why. :v:[/QUOTE] Seamen spilled near lesbos. Oh no, think about the sailors.
[QUOTE=zombini;44282899]Not only does it creep me out as well, it's a danger to society. If any of them got into the US congress at any majority, then the US population can be considered slaves of Scientology.[/QUOTE] The funny thing is most people have no problem with politicians being slaves of any "real" religion
[QUOTE=adam1172;44285883]Seamen spilled near lesbos. Oh no, think about the sailors.[/QUOTE] The worst shore leave.
[QUOTE=Keitaro;44283219]Let's go through the 'Church's' state to this issue piece by piece. Starting off good, even though this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. At least they understand the First Amendment. Throughout the years, more and more people have come forward saying the exact opposite of the statement. With instances ranging from light suggestions to outright stalking and harassing the person if the idea forthwith. The only people that they want you to have a strong relationship with are the ones that you will have said relations with. It might well be true that the 'church' initially helped her son with his addiction to drugs in the beginning, but after having doubts decided that trying to keep the son away from his mother was the best way to stop him from putting forward any ideas that are contrary to the 'church's' beliefs. I don't think I've seen someone issue an official statement ending in "At the end of the day," in quite some time. Heck the last time I used that was in 8th grade or so. Anyway, If you ever have to attach adjectives to someone's child, then I feel that you are actively on the defensive about the issues presented on said subject. They also decline to debate any of their practices because they could be described as brain washing with good certainty, but sure you'll put an emphasis on voluntary while I put an emphasis on [I]brain washing[/I]. Hey guys, I don't know what this crazy lady and her borked son are up to trying to defame us, but have you heard how awesome we are. Man we're just great, you should check out this neat website we have, we know you'll love it Sincerely, --Your favorite cult, Scientology.[/QUOTE] They're trying to open a new "church" in town here, actually. I kind of want to burn the place down.
[QUOTE=Kindashort;44285626]Hey this headline looks really familiar,I wonder why? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Ge9hfEM.png[/IMG] Oh that's why. :v:[/QUOTE] I liked that title; figured Id use it but take out the "gullible enough" yes. I found the article on that website; so I used that headline
how does one even begin to believe in scientology I mean have they even looked at hubbard's texts that shit is absolutely bonkers
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;44287653]how does one even begin to believe in scientology I mean have they even looked at hubbard's texts that shit is absolutely bonkers[/QUOTE] The fucking guy even said "If you really want to be famous, invent a religion." Plus hes a goddamned science fiction writer. Who lived on a boat in the Mediterranean with [i]little boys[/i]
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44286485]They're trying to open a new "church" in town here, actually. I kind of want to burn the place down.[/QUOTE] One who's rich in town. Two burning it down will only make them scam the insuramce company.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44286485]They're trying to open a new "church" in town here, actually. I kind of want to burn the place down.[/QUOTE] Hand out some Xenu leaflets. [url]http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/[/url] The reason they get away with ridiculous beliefs is because they don't tell them the more ridiculous parts until they've invested lots of financial and emotional resources into the church, by then they only hang out with other scientologists to further justify their borderline insane beliefs. Handing out xenu leaflets is a good way to combat the church because they aren't allowed to talk about Xenu to non scientologists, so when you bring it up they won't acknowledge his existence but still be extremely pissed off. They use some bullshit justification that if you tell someone the xenu story too early they won't be able to sleep and go insane, but in reality its just a protective measure to not look completely insane from the outside.
[QUOTE=Conspirator;44289114]Hand out some Xenu leaflets. [url]http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/[/url] The reason they get away with ridiculous beliefs is because they don't tell them the more ridiculous parts until they've invested lots of financial and emotional resources into the church, by then they only hang out with other scientologists to further justify their borderline insane beliefs. Handing out xenu leaflets is a good way to combat the church because they aren't allowed to talk about Xenu to non scientologists, so when you bring it up they won't acknowledge his existence but still be extremely pissed off. They use some bullshit justification that if you tell someone the xenu story too early they won't be able to sleep and go insane, but in reality its just a protective measure to not look completely insane from the outside.[/QUOTE] Oh my god that's fucking golden. Thank you.
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