Class divide in boys' reading skills seen in Pisa scores - Polidicks

[quote]The brightest boys from poor homes in England and Scotland are at least two-and-a-half years behind in reading compared with those from the richest homes, a study suggests. Research for the Sutton Trust educational charity says Scotland's gap is the highest in the developed world, while England's is the second highest. In Finland, Denmark, Germany and Canada, the gap is equal to 15 months. The government in England says its reforms will improve reading standards. And in Scotland, government officials say its new school curriculum is helping to raise standards. The study was carried out by John Jerrim at the Institute of Education, University of London, who analysed scores for 15-year-olds in Pisa tests carried out for the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). [/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23271555[/url]

No shit? I grew up to a poor family and money talks, you cannot get a tutor, go on trips and shit cause theres no money for it. Students that come from poor familys should get personal finanicla help or some kind of extra support to help them.

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41424140]No shit? I grew up to a poor family and money talks, you cannot get a tutor, go on trips and shit cause theres no money for it. Students that come from poor familys should get personal finanicla help or some kind of extra support to help them.[/QUOTE] where would this money come from? As someone who comes from one of these 'rich homes', I agree, it is completely unfair, but I don't see a clear way to change anything.

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41424140]No shit? I grew up to a poor family and money talks, you cannot get a tutor, go on trips and shit cause theres no money for it. Students that come from poor familys should get personal finanicla help or some kind of extra support to help them.[/QUOTE] 1) who the hell buys a personal tutor 2) i don't think i've ever learned anything from a trip, most were for fun or a waste of time I think it's purely the atmosphere in which they grow up in, I mean, most of them tend to be more in gangs and shit.

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41424140]No shit? I grew up to a poor family and money talks, you cannot get a tutor, go on trips and shit cause theres no money for it. Students that come from poor familys should get personal finanicla help or some kind of extra support to help them.[/QUOTE] I'll admit that one of the differences I see between rich and poor kids is actually in pure reading. Kids of richer parents are often driven more to reading by those parents and you'll find them more often even at public libraries. Whereas the kids of poorer parents are never "thought" to enjoy reading. Which had a huge impact on actual reading comprehension. And it shows even between the richer kids which never had tutors, which never were in much better schools etc. Which could also partially explain the reading ability gap.

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41424140]No shit? I grew up to a poor family and money talks, you cannot get a tutor, go on trips and shit cause theres no money for it. Students that come from poor familys should get personal finanicla help or some kind of extra support to help them.[/QUOTE] While this is true I can't but notice a culture of "hate for academics" in poorer families.

I need the bad reading rating

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41424140]No shit? I grew up to a poor family and money talks, you cannot get a tutor, go on trips and shit cause theres no money for it. Students that come from poor familys should get personal finanicla help or some kind of extra support to help them.[/QUOTE] Tutors are barely a part of it... :|

Could there be a reason these families got rich in the first place?

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41424374]Could there be a reason these families got rich in the first place?[/QUOTE] endless

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41424140]No shit? I grew up to a poor family and money talks, you cannot get a tutor, go on trips and shit cause theres no money for it. Students that come from poor familys should get personal finanicla help or some kind of extra support to help them.[/QUOTE] Cry me a river. The only thing they need is parents who will teach them basic skills like reading and counting. I could read at the age of 4, and was fluent in English at 10, all thanks to my parents and my teachers

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41424374]Could there be a reason these families got rich in the first place?[/QUOTE] Yes it must be because they are genetically superior and smarter if that's what you're implying.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41424374]Could there be a reason these families got rich in the first place?[/QUOTE] I think you'll start seeing a big difference indicator in college education to begin with. Often times those kids from poorer families come from parents with no tertiary education and the value put on education is much smaller or different to kids from richer families with both parents having finished tertiery ed. It creates a completely different aproach to a lot of stuff, including reading. Kids from educated families tend to read more even if time and reading availability is completely the same.

I'm from a poor family and my reading abilities are ahead of most of my class. Analysing in itself I'm shit at but that's nothing to do with wealth, last year I was the highest mark in the year for the creative writing segment of the exam.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41424374]Could there be a reason these families got rich in the first place?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/genes8221-a-reason-poor-kids-struggle-at-school-says-government-report/story-e6frfmd9-1226677476327[/url] According to this, to a small degree possibly.

Level of education and financial success tend to correlate. One reason this should be no surprise is if you have a high school dropout who then has a child, you can already guess that the kid will not be pressed to do well in school. Why would he or she, the parents themselves didn't finish school. Obviously education was not, and will not be, a priority. On the other hand, if you have someone who becomes a parent AFTER attending a university, does anyone really think that kid is not going to be raised with education as a major priority? There is no quick fix to this. Long term what can be done is to break the cycle of poverty. Today's ten year olds are locked in to their futures, but if they start fixing things now maybe those ten year olds' grandkids might be better off.

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[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;41427742]Why would he or she, the parents themselves didn't finish school. Obviously education was not, and will not be, a priority.[/QUOTE] Poorer parents also don't have as much time to focus on teaching their children reading or the resources/experience to send them to university/college.