All new upcoming CPUs to officially support only Windows 10
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Before any of you jump to conclusions, please read the source, they are not outright banning other windows versions from the new chips, they just wont have official support. This affects intel and AMD CPU's
[url]http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2498097,00.asp[/url]
[QUOTE]All next-generation processors built by Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, or others, will only support Windows 10, Microsoft confirmed in a recent blog post. That means if you buy a PC with these upgraded chips—Intel's "Kaby Lake," Qualcomm's "8996," and AMD's "Bristol Ridge"—they will only run Windows 10; you can't downgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Redmond stressed, however, that "Windows 7 was designed nearly 10 years ago before any x86/x64 SOCs existed." Running the OS on newer PCs requires "device drivers and firmware...to emulate Windows 7's expectations for interrupt processing, bus support, and power states- which is challenging for Wi-Fi, graphics, security, and more."
The move is a potentially important one for Microsoft's PC vendor partners. PC makers currently need to ensure that their computers work with current and legacy versions of Windows. Indeed, customers can still choose whether to go with Windows 10 or use "downgrade rights" for Windows 8.1. By making this change, PC makers will only need to worry about Windows 10 support.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-updates-support-policy-new-cpus-will-require-windows-10/[/url]
[QUOTE]Yes, Windows 7 (currently in the Extended support phase) will continue to receive updates until January 14, 2020, and Windows 8.1 will be supported until January 10, 2023. But in a series of "clarifications" to its support policy today, the company announced that support for those older Windows versions will be available only for "previous generations of silicon."[/QUOTE]
If you want to read the original source of this information, microsoft themselves, check this post
[url]https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/#dEJltM1esD7ZXGyQ.97[/url]
Its a sharp move, but I sort of understand the fact that tommorows chips can't keep supporting windows 7 which is now nearing several years old. I do however believe that people will make third party drivers to get windows 7 to work on these chips anyways, if that s even required to start with.
edit: can a mod change the title to "All new upcoming CPU's to officially support only windows 10"?
This will solve nothing, and will probably make even more people resent windows 10/microsoft and therefore stick with windows 7/8/whatever. I can see why they might do this with windows XP, or other old operating systems, but fucking hell I can barely tell the difference between 10 and 7.
Similar thing happened with XP, to put things into context...
anything pre pentium does not run windows XP. and i think pentium 3 no longer supported windows 3.1.
[editline]3rd September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=MagicCookie948;50994963]This will solve nothing, and will probably make even more people resent windows 10/microsoft and therefore stick with windows 7/8/whatever. I can see why they might do this with windows XP, or other old operating systems, but fucking hell I can barely tell the difference between 10 and 7.[/QUOTE]
Under the hood its a rusty old tracktor with hillbilly plate slapped on. built with parts of several other tractors (7) and a tank. (10)
Not saying some design choices of 10 arent retarded, or their privacy thing is 'cool', but 10 under the hood is vastly superior... like its weird how the same teams could spew out vista, and also make 10
honestly i've just given up on people that won't move on past 7
But I bet they'll run Linux just fine. :pcrepair:
It'll probably still work, but won't support the new features because microsoft won't package them and such to work with their old OSs.
Also before people post about GNU/Linux it'll be just fine, you'll have these features most likely if you're running a modern distro that'll give you a new enough kernel with this. It's nothing new that AMD/Intel processors require some additional software to work properly. If you really wanted to you could compile your own kernel without the microcode of current processors and surprise surprise, it'll be buggy.
[QUOTE=MagicCookie948;50994963]This will solve nothing, and will probably make even more people resent windows 10/microsoft and therefore stick with windows 7/8/whatever. I can see why they might do this with windows XP, or other old operating systems, but fucking hell I can barely tell the difference between 10 and 7.[/QUOTE]
there were huge changes under hood from windows 7 to 8, but no one noticed since 8 screwed so many things up.
windows 10 is what windows 8 should have been. there is a lot of improvements internally, like superior touch support, improved security, dx 12 support, native h265 decoding, smarter driver management, battery management, etc.
and security and battery management things particularly are very much tied to the cpu. to take advantage of these new hardware abilities, you need new software. unfortunantly, some of these new features may not be able to be turned off in older OS's, it just may not work entirely. its a lot of work supporting old operating systems and thats what they are trying to push past, albeit aggressivly
[QUOTE=MagicCookie948;50994963]This will solve nothing, and will probably make even more people resent windows 10/microsoft and therefore stick with windows 7/8/whatever. I can see why they might do this with windows XP, or other old operating systems, but fucking hell I can barely tell the difference between 10 and 7.[/QUOTE]
i mean if you can barely tell, then I don't get why it's a bad change
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50994999]But I bet they'll run Linux just fine. :pcrepair:[/QUOTE]
Shitty post. I use Linux as the main OS during the week and you can't really compare the situations.
In Linux things break all the time too, you just upgrade it more often and you don't notice or you fix the problems yourself.
Either way, it's not like Linux can predict the future and the features they need to support in 10 years distance.
Windows 10 is a piece of shit but after you put it on a leash it blows all other OS'es imo.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;50995059]Upgrading to Windows 10 was my biggest mistake in technological decisions. Loads of bugs, incompatibilities, issues, tablet UI, etc. Thank god you can revert.
People who constantly hold the "omg just upgrade already" rhetoric are intolerable pampered babies.[/QUOTE]
Did you do a fresh install after the upgrade or not? When I first upgraded from 7 it was a barely working mess, and I would have agreed with your post, but doing a fresh install made me realize it's actually great.
I don't really think the tablet UI complaint really works with 10 either. 8 had that shitty touch oriented start menu thing, but that's only optional in 10, and the new start menu is totally alright. Also fastboot is baller and literally the best selling point of 10.
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windows 10 is what windows 8 should have been. there is a lot of improvements internally, like superior touch support, improved security, dx 12 support, native h265 decoding, smarter driver management, battery management, etc.[/QUOTE]
It's a shame the UI is bollocks(My desktop is NOT a tablet, Microsoft, get it fucking straight) and that Microsoft was so hyper aggressive in pushing it that they put a significant chunk of us off from using it.
I'm not going anywhere near W10 for a while. Maybe I'll consider it in 3 or 4 years when my next install of W7 wears out, but the way Microsoft so aggressively pushed it has put me off of it for the near future.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50995091]It's a shame the UI is bollocks(My desktop is NOT a tablet, Microsoft, get it fucking straight) and that Microsoft was so hyper aggressive in pushing it that they put a significant chunk of us off from using it.
I'm not going anywhere near W10 for a while. Maybe I'll consider it in 3 or 4 years when my next install of W7 wears out, but the way Microsoft so aggressively pushed it has put me off of it for the near future.[/QUOTE]
Windows 10 is not a tablet UI. Windows 8[b].1[/b] removed most of the problems, and Windows 10 made the UI actually an improvement.
The upgrade process is trash, though. Like others, it fucked up my computer so badly that I needed a fresh install.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50995091]It's a shame the UI is bollocks(My desktop is NOT a tablet, Microsoft, get it fucking straight) and that Microsoft was so hyper aggressive in pushing it that they put a significant chunk of us off from using it.
I'm not going anywhere near W10 for a while. Maybe I'll consider it in 3 or 4 years when my next install of W7 wears out, but the way Microsoft so aggressively pushed it has put me off of it for the near future.[/QUOTE]
So a marketing team has put you off from updating your OS. Seems very petty to me.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50995091]It's a shame the UI is bollocks(My desktop is NOT a tablet, Microsoft, get it fucking straight) and that Microsoft was so hyper aggressive in pushing it that they put a significant chunk of us off from using it.
I'm not going anywhere near W10 for a while. Maybe I'll consider it in 3 or 4 years when my next install of W7 wears out, but the way Microsoft so aggressively pushed it has put me off of it for the near future.[/QUOTE]
My desktop is a desktop, and Win10 doesn't in any way, shape or form make it look or function like a tablet.
I think you may be confusing it for the Win8 start menu. (which imo was great)
By all means trap yourself with an OS that will be unsupported by more and more things.
You could've saved a lot of money by upgrading.
I would love to use Windows 10, but doing so incurrs unnecessary costs for me. Twice now it's updated in the middle of an overnight 3D print, wasting a lot of time and plastic (aka money) for the completely arbitrary reason of not letting me update at my leisure. Even if I schedule an update for later there's no guarantee I'll remember and not be printing during that time (not that I should have to fucking work around my operating system's schedule in the first place), and it's not like I want to watch my computer like a hawk while it prints for six hours. Anybody who does jobs like video rendering or other batch-processing work faces a similar dilemma.
Not to mention the other nannying stuff is fucking annoying. Why can't I kill some processes in task manager? I am the administrator, I don't care if the process is owned by SYSTEM. Why do some of my manually-set options change after updates? I set those for a reason.
Windows 10, as a tool, does not work for me. If I wasn't already comfortable with Linux, you can bet your ass I'd be running 7 or 8 right now.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50995149]I would love to use Windows 10 but doing so incurrs unnecessary costs for me. Twice now it's updated in the middle of an overnight 3D print, wasting a lot of time and plastic (aka money) for the completely arbitrary reason of not letting me update at my leisure. Even if I schedule an update for later there's no guarantee I'll remember and not be printing during that time (not that I should have to fucking work around my operating system's schedule in the first place), and it's not like I want to watch my computer like a hawk while it prints for six hours.
Not to mention the other nannying stuff is fucking annoying. Why can't I kill some processes in task manager? I am the administrator, I don't care if the process is owned by SYSTEM. Why do some of my manually-set options change after updates? I set those for a reason.
Windows 10, as a tool, does not work for me. If I wasn't already comfortable with Linux, you can bet your ass I'd be running 7 or 8 right now.[/QUOTE]
I've not encountered any setting issues or this supposed SYSTEM problem.
I personally don't worry about updates between the fast boot mode and using a SSD, since it updates overnight. I can imagine how frustrating 3D print interruptions are, though.
What Windows 10 really needs is a setting to let programs automatically forestall updates. Just like how media programs forestall screensavers during a movie, Windows 10 ought to let important programs forestall updates.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50995149]I would love to use Windows 10, but doing so incurrs unnecessary costs for me. Twice now it's updated in the middle of an overnight 3D print, wasting a lot of time and plastic (aka money) for the completely arbitrary reason of not letting me update at my leisure. Even if I schedule an update for later there's no guarantee I'll remember and not be printing during that time (not that I should have to fucking work around my operating system's schedule in the first place), and it's not like I want to watch my computer like a hawk while it prints for six hours. Anybody who does jobs like video rendering or other batch-processing work faces a similar dilemma.
Not to mention the other nannying stuff is fucking annoying. Why can't I kill some processes in task manager? I am the administrator, I don't care if the process is owned by SYSTEM. Why do some of my manually-set options change after updates? I set those for a reason.
Windows 10, as a tool, does not work for me. If I wasn't already comfortable with Linux, you can bet your ass I'd be running 7 or 8 right now.[/QUOTE]
If you set your internet connection to "metered" in the advanced network settings it doesn't auto update in the background, and from what I can tell it makes no difference to your internet usage in any other way.
[QUOTE=meppers;50994997]honestly i've just given up on people that won't move on past 7[/QUOTE]
Thank you for giving up. It's very annoying when people bug me and others for doing what we want with our hardware.
first page and we already have a 'GUYS THE UPDATE IS FOR PAMPERED BABIES' and 'anyone who doesnt use the update = dumb'
anyway, if any of you guys read the article, I think its a pretty good choice. anyway, you can still run it, its just that official support is only for windows 10. does linux work?
"No old programs are compatible with Windows 10!" i read as i close shadows of the empire (1996) to play some unreal tournament (1999)
Everyone into the trenches of their personal beliefs!!! we can win this war and be home by Christmas, i swear.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50995355]"No old programs are compatible with Windows 10!" i read as i close shadows of the empire (1996) to play some unreal tournament (1999)[/QUOTE]
That's a bit of a strawman, don't ya think?
Though, there's other ways around old programs than remaining on an old OS if that's your only reason to stick to 7-8. Such as VMs for games that don't require 3d acceleration, and perhaps even wine on windows (I haven't tested it, but it's great on *nix systems for running old games.)
[QUOTE=Marbalo;50995059]Upgrading to Windows 10 was my biggest mistake in technological decisions. Loads of bugs, incompatibilities, issues, tablet UI, etc. Thank god you can revert.
People who constantly hold the "omg just upgrade already" rhetoric are intolerable pampered babies.[/QUOTE]
Irony of people who refused to update are actually intolerable pampered babies who think the world should revolve around them and stall technology.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50995429]That's a bit of a strawman, don't ya think?
Though, there's other ways around old programs than remaining on an old OS if that's your only reason to stick to 7-8. Such as VMs for games that don't require 3d acceleration, and perhaps even wine on windows (I haven't tested it, but it's great on *nix systems for running old games.)[/QUOTE]
gpu passthrough mustard race
can't wait until I do it on my next build
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50994999]But I bet they'll run Linux just fine. :pcrepair:[/QUOTE]
Which might need an update.
Oh wait, thats what 10 is.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50995149]I would love to use Windows 10, but doing so incurrs unnecessary costs for me. Twice now it's updated in the middle of an overnight 3D print, wasting a lot of time and plastic (aka money) for the completely arbitrary reason of not letting me update at my leisure. Even if I schedule an update for later there's no guarantee I'll remember and not be printing during that time (not that I should have to fucking work around my operating system's schedule in the first place), and it's not like I want to watch my computer like a hawk while it prints for six hours. Anybody who does jobs like video rendering or other batch-processing work faces a similar dilemma.
Not to mention the other nannying stuff is fucking annoying. Why can't I kill some processes in task manager? I am the administrator, I don't care if the process is owned by SYSTEM. Why do some of my manually-set options change after updates? I set those for a reason.
Windows 10, as a tool, does not work for me. If I wasn't already comfortable with Linux, you can bet your ass I'd be running 7 or 8 right now.[/QUOTE]
Funny how Microsoft is trying to incorperate more with the 3d industry (printing, modeling, reality) and yet shit like this happens.
Windows update is one of the operating systems biggest flaws, but honestly I don't think they have figured a alternative to it that fits their annoying policies. And that sucks
[QUOTE=Code3Response;50995443]Irony of people who refused to update are actually intolerable pampered babies who think the world should revolve around them and stall technology.[/QUOTE]
jesus christ dude the operating system he chooses to have on his computer does not affect you whatsoever
quit being a melodramatic fuckwit over something so stupid
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50995454]jesus christ dude the operating system he chooses to have on his computer does not affect you whatsoever
quit being a melodramatic fuckwit over something so stupid[/QUOTE]
So whats the issue with new hardware only supporting Win10 again? Oh right, people who dont want Win10 are crying foul.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50995454]jesus christ dude the operating system he chooses to have on his computer does not affect you whatsoever
quit being a melodramatic fuckwit over something so stupid[/QUOTE]
He was pointing out irony. not calling the guy an idiot or anything.
Why do you have such a problem with him having a thought out loud?
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