Socialised Medicine - General

Is a system of Universal Healthcare something the United States should adopt and/or other countries maintain? This is more a general opinion on nationalised healthcare in general.

The NHS seemed to work quite well in the UK, unfortunately it having run out of money trying to fund it, one very early result being that the free glasses being dispensed had to be stopped in the 1950s.

Swedish healthcare is awsome, just that they tend to cheap out occasionally unless its life threatning It's sort off understandable though

I don't get how you can argue against this, All I hear is people say, their taxes are going to go up. The US government pays more per capita then another country in the world, [img]http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/images/OECDChart1.gif[/img] [URL="http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/OECD042111.cfm"]Source[/URL] so the chances that they would go up is slim.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;32383121]I don't get how you can argue against this, All I hear is people say, their taxes are going to go up. The US government pays more per capita then another country in the world, [img]http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/images/OECDChart1.gif[/img] [URL="http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/OECD042111.cfm"]Source[/URL] so the chances that they would go up is slim.[/QUOTE] Which is weird because most of countries equalise around their expenditure and quality. the US is number one in expenditure yet number 48 in quality.

Socialized medicine works until the opponents of it get power and purposely sabotage it by cutting funding in order to make it appear ineffective.

I've always loved the healthcare system in my country, mostly because it usually works. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Finland[/url] Sure, we've got some problems with smoking, alcohol, heart problems and suicide, but at least people get treatment.

Socialised health care is good, it limits the liabilities of the citizens, as for example a poor man does not need to worry about his income if he had an accident. It's fair for everyone, regardless of earnings. Australia has universal health care and the system is really good. Citizens who need government benefits get health care absolutely free (I believe), while people that are better off only have to pay a small portion of costs in relation to any procedure (a person's standing in society is based off of how many assets he or she owns, which is why my family can't apply for government benefits because we have a little too many assets). On another note, yay 1,000 posts.

I've always told people (I live in the US) that if we were taxed for socialized medicine to work, it would be less than paying for health-care individually. Does my logic hold ground?

[QUOTE=credesniper;32390543]I've always told people (I live in the US) that if we were taxed for socialized medicine to work, it would be less than paying for health-care individually. Does my logic hold ground?[/QUOTE] NO IT'S COMMUNIST WERGWERGWERGWERG More seriously, Socialized medicine only works as long as people play fair. In France I know a lot of companies are cheating and using huge amount of fraud to get money out of the system or avoid giving any to it, there's even more companies shitting with the health care system (pretending non-existent employees are sick, etc) than actual people. Because people would have to participate and give some money to the system, most of them would plain refuse. Even if people only had to pay 5 dollars to participate, they wouldn't want to do it (depending on the country of course, but I know if France didn't have its health care system right after world war 2, no one would have accepted it)

I think that people are confused when they say that conservatives want the uninsured to die (Well, the bashit insane ones probably do). As far as I know, if you walk into the ER you can't get denied treatment. So the problem isn't that the uninsured die, the problem is that they end up with a huge bill that they're unable to pay.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32390848] More seriously, Socialized medicine only works as long as people play fair. In France I know a lot of companies are cheating and using huge amount of fraud to get money out of the system or avoid giving any to it, there's even more companies shitting with the health care system (pretending non-existent employees are sick, etc) than actual people.[/QUOTE] How are companies profiting off of it? With universal healthcare, companies have nothing to do with the health of their employees because health insurance isn't needed.

I think socialized medicine is fantastic. It allows the country to keep its ALL inhabitants strong, and healthy.

The problem is simply calling it socialised - if it were to be called Government Sponsored healthcare, it would get the votes it needs.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;32403688]The problem is simply calling it socialised - if it were to be called Government Sponsored healthcare, it would get the votes it needs.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't work. People were afraid of Obama's public option and called it socialised healthcare when it wasn't.

So far the only real argument I have heard against it is that "the lines would get longer" and I guess not wanting to wait a little longer is worth the health of millions.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32417203]So far the only real argument I have heard against it is that "the lines would get longer" and I guess not wanting to wait a little longer is worth the health of millions.[/QUOTE] Lines/wait times have zero affect on either system. It's an entirely irrelevant point for it's next to impossible to measure it - even then, if Socialised medicine did create longer lines/waiting times, it's a bit cruel to use it as a negative as to why it's bad. That's implying we can't help other people for fear of taking too long.

Socialized medicine is terrible, the poor deserve to die for having no money. In case you couldn't tell, no, I'm not that stupid. Socialized medicare is a great help to society and I can't see why people oppose it.

If a single person dies simply because they couldn't afford to go to hospital, doesn't that instantly justify socialised medicine?

[QUOTE=squids_eye;32431816]If a single person dies simply because they couldn't afford to go to hospital, doesn't that instantly justify socialised medicine?[/QUOTE] Of course not, they were lazy and got their comeuppance in life, you see, they needed to stick these spiked bootstraps, right up their ass Walken-style and just ... In other words, for people with brains that still function and aren't the Cock Brothers, yes.

[QUOTE=StealthArcher;32436413]Of course not, they were lazy and got their comeuppance in life, you see, they needed to stick these spiked bootstraps, right up their ass Walken-style and just ... In other words, for people with brains that still function and aren't the Cock Brothers, yes.[/QUOTE] Because all poor people are lazy. :rolleyes: