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yo, [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1102983]last thread got closed[/url] so why not make a new one?
this thread is for those of us who work or at least dibble and dabble in illustrator/flash/PS in the often simultaneously amazing and shit graphics design industry - generally we're talking about logo design, typography, advertisement, certain unconventional illustrations, etc. web design is a very closely related field but you're generally going to be better off posting that kinda stuff [url=http://facepunch.com/forumdisplay.php?f=353]in here[/url]
[quote][h2]Do's[/h2]
• Discuss about general Graphic Design subjects
• Talk about techniques used in graphic design
• Post recent work for critique
• Talk about pricing for work, how to promote yourself and how to deal with clients
• Ask for advice from other fellow designers
NOTE: if your images are to big, put them in [img_thumb] tags, please!
[h2]Don'ts[/h2]
• Beg for a graphic designer to do "X"
• Make criticism other than constructive
• argue and flame on dumb things like "hurp Helvetica is beterr then arial"[/quote]
[h2]cool shit from the last thread[/h2]
[img_thumb]http://filesmelt.com/dl/bigband.png[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=248932]by RockSauce[/url]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/6Iebx.png[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=178004]by Dlaor-guy[/url]
[img_thumb]http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/740/pixar.png[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=10197]by kabookie[/url]
[img_thumb]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482927/Covers/dredd%20cover.png[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=37601]by Rusty100[/url]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/YAvwL.png[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=46908]by kevlar jens[/url]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/zBlqw.jpg[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=405397]by Caitlin[/url]
[img_thumb]http://i.minus.com/i76FGdjyUuVJZ.png[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=387119]by Oicani Gonzales[/url]
[img_thumb]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4760/1smalls.png[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=40226]by Smeetin[/url]
[img_thumb]http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000008544499-fswcid-crop.jpg[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=129245]by Bobie[/url]
[img_thumb]http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2010/324/7/1/battle_of_the_bands_poster_by_occlusiondesign-d337n2s.jpg[/img_thumb]
[url=http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=145490]by Occlusion[/url]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/F3r2U.png[/img_thumb]
by me
All great :)
got any links to good resources? fonts, stocks, shapes etc
Thanks for including me basketball logo. I'm hoping this summer I'll get some time to make some new stuff, working on a personal identity package at the moment for [url]www.kenoncreative.com[/url].
[QUOTE=war_man333;39747692]All great :)
got any links to good resources? fonts, stocks, shapes etc[/QUOTE]
[url=http://browse.deviantart.com/resources/applications/psbrushes/]deviantart[/url] is p good for brushes if you look hard enough and you avoid the dumb abstract shit people use for forum signatures. [url=http://www.smashingmagazine.com]smashing magazine[/url] is also p good, look into their freebies section.
for fonts there's [url=http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/]the league of movable type[/url] and [url=http://losttype.com]lost type[/url] (also w/e you do don't use homestead b/c while it is a neat font it will probably become cliche and overused very quickly just like [url=http://www.impallari.com/lobster/]lobster[/url])
for inspiration, you should probably look at [url=http://dribbble.com/]dribbble,[/url] which is invite-only but you can still see the shit people post on there, which all tends to be really good. [url=http://www.designforums.co.uk/]design forums[/url] is also great for inspiration and feedback
Does anyone, or has anyone here studied Graphic Design at university? I'm thinking about doing it but I don't know how good it is, if it would pay well as a career or even if there's jobs for graphic designers right now, I just think it would be a fun,interesting thing to study, and something that I can actually do but can anyone give details?
[QUOTE=Tacooo;39752662]Does anyone, or has anyone here studied Graphic Design at university? I'm thinking about doing it but I don't know how good it is, if it would pay well as a career or even if there's jobs for graphic designers right now, I just think it would be a fun,interesting thing to study, and something that I can actually do but can anyone give details?[/QUOTE]
I bet it's fun but getting a job in anything art related is going to be mostly based on a portfolio.
I studied Film & Video Production at uni and Graphic Design at college. I now do both professionally, and whilst studying them (kinda) helped, it was mostly passion and doing stuff for free that got me jobs.
Barely learnt anything new/useful in either, and was surrounded by students who really really sucked at it and had no interest, which was confusing to say the least.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;39752662]Does anyone, or has anyone here studied Graphic Design at university? I'm thinking about doing it but I don't know how good it is, if it would pay well as a career or even if there's jobs for graphic designers right now, I just think it would be a fun,interesting thing to study, and something that I can actually do but can anyone give details?[/QUOTE]
Depends a lot on the school. There are jobs, but they are hard to come by, unless you are planning to work in a graphic department for a non-graphic oriented company, which isn't a negative thing.
The portfolio is critical. School degrees are a bonus and show that you can work in certain environments / meet deadlines. However, if you have a degree and shitty design they will likely hire the other person.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;39752662]Does anyone, or has anyone here studied Graphic Design at university? I'm thinking about doing it but I don't know how good it is, if it would pay well as a career or even if there's jobs for graphic designers right now, I just think it would be a fun,interesting thing to study, and something that I can actually do but can anyone give details?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm currently doing that, I'm studying at a university that is for anyone to apply to even though they know jack shit about it. I think they've done a really good job explaining and teaching all the students that really didn't know shit to know their shit in just the first year. I knew basically everything about what they thought the whole first year except basic HTML and CSS code, but I still feel like I've gotten a shitton out of it, and I learned about how to actually go on working on a project with the whole research and sketch process instead of jumping into it. I've improved shittons during the 1 1/2 year I've been studying so far.
How good the teachers are obviously depends on the school and, obviously, the teachers. As with any school you'll start off with a bunch of people (probably to a varying degree depending on the requirements of the school) that don't know shit about Graphic Design and ends up being total slobs with no real interest in learning about it because they thought it was something else or just wanted to check dat shit out. But they weed themselves out over the first year unless they're retarded.
Now then, what you generally pay for is not some super duper good education where you'll learn everything and become a master because you have a good teacher, oh no, not at all, this is an artistic choice of career that is applied to commercial products most of the time. Taste and preferences has a lot to do with this career and as such, you can't be taught to be good at it, you can just be taught how to do it and what you need to think about when you're doing it.
You will (should) learn about all fundamental knowledge like colour theory, symbolism, basic psychology regarding colours shapes forms and words, RGB VS CMYK colour spectrum, anatomy of typography, how to prepear your work to print and how much of a nightmare getting a correct print is and lots and lots of more fun stuff. And of course technical competance in the whole Adobe Creative Suite (Illustrator, Indesign, Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver and After Effects. The latter two if they teach basic web design and motion graphics).
What you will not learn is how to be actually good, you will learn the things needed to get good, and they will give lots of constructive feedback (although this can vary greatly depending on the teacher) that you can take to heart to improve, but they will never be able to make you good just by teaching you what they can. What you pay for when studying art-fields is time and access to equipment you may not otherwise have access to in order to make good art within the field, how well you do depends on how much you yourself put into it. If you study because you want to have the resource of teachers being able to help you improve instead of teaching you to be good, then you will get a lot out of a college education. If you however study with the intent of becoming good because you will be teached, only working during the school hours and not actively working on improving outside of when school is, then you won't get that much out of it and should consider just watching tutorials and reading up on shit on the net instead (which you should either way of course as that is also a part of actively working on your own).
When it comes to job possibilities afterwards having an education really doesn't mean much at all. If you have the interest to get good, then you can be self-taught and be a way more interesting candidate for a job than any ex-student with a bachelor or master degree, because what matters is how good you are, are you creative and make great stuff? Do you know your fundamentals and terminologies? Then you have already beaten a lot of people aiming for this field, if you just work hard and seek job possibilities amongst friends, local stores, gigs and whatnot as well as whatever you can find on the net that you can participate in, then that's all you really need.
Have a good portfolio = Get a job if you don't give up on getting one.
Oh I almost forgot, even above a good portfolio when it comes to getting a job is a good network. Get to know people, ask them if they would be interested in a new logo for their company, a flyer for their event, a poster for their gig. Build friendly connections and for God's sake, look up on guidance on how much to charge people and when, there are a lot of people that tell you to never take free jobs, whilst other praise it warmly, and when you do charge, make fucking sure you don't undercharge like we all tend to want to do because we think too lowly of ourselves and our work or get persuaded by the clients, look that shit up and make up your own opinion on the matter, treat clients individually but try to have a consistent process in judging price.
Does anybody have any advice for constructing a colour palette? Specifically for level design (in a game) I'm thinking some kinda ww1 type thing but mudbrown isnt alot to work off.
Thanks for all the info guys, but concerning work, you seem to be talking about freelance work, is that the usual work for graphic designers, is it difficult to get into a studio?
[QUOTE=Tacooo;39761086]Thanks for all the info guys, but concerning work, you seem to be talking about freelance work, is that the usual work for graphic designers, is it difficult to get into a studio?[/QUOTE]
It's very normal amongst Graphic Designers. It builds contacts, gives you job experience and makes for great stuff for their portfolio.
Most graphic design studios tends to be small groups of ~5 people as well because graphic designers tend to make their own studios.
But in the end, if your goal is to get into a studio, then you just work hard on that.
Cool, thanks again for all the info, I think I'll go ahead with it and maybe take a gap year to build a portfolio and see if I can get some work experience at local studios
Sounds good, pretty much the routine attitude to how to progress in the career.
Have fun getting annoyed at bad kerning and letterspacing and how the tiniest details on a font completely ruins it's usefulness for your projects.
It'd be a good idea to try and maybe just go for an internship with a studio. Even if it's not paid, it's very valuable experience.
And of course a lot of different unrelated companies have their own art/design department.
[img]http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles17/2200309/projects/7407803/4255c35be7b89d3cccc1f37d13bff59c.png[/img]
Haven't had much experience with identity and branding so I've been trying that lately.
Here's the logo I came up with for my current project. It's meant to subtly give a street/tire/racing type of imagery.
[b]Edited:[/b]
Uh... no automerge?
As someone with no experience with anything I really like it. Although I have to say for some weird reason the edges seem a little soft- might just be my eyes are tired right now so don't look into that too much if it looks fine to you.
[QUOTE=Biscuit-Boy;39771520]As someone with no experience with anything I really like it. Although I have to say for some weird reason the edges seem a little soft- might just be my eyes are tired right now so don't look into that too much if it looks fine to you.[/QUOTE]
Nah that's just the image getting weirdly compressed. It's all vectors.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;39752662]Does anyone, or has anyone here studied Graphic Design at university? I'm thinking about doing it but I don't know how good it is, if it would pay well as a career or even if there's jobs for graphic designers right now, I just think it would be a fun,interesting thing to study, and something that I can actually do but can anyone give details?[/QUOTE]
I'm studying GD at the College for Creative studies in Detroit, Mi. Love the school, love the program. It's not really what I expected it to be, it's much more conceptual and intense than expected. Still, I love it and I'm learning various interesting things.
I never got around to showing off that Energy Drink I made back in autumn now did I?
Well, I'm going to re-print the label for Intelligence since it was wrongly named, so for now the name is just photoshopped in on the product photo.
[url=http://elevarbeid.webstudent.no/dmk1_oslo/dag_gulliksen/wordpress/?portfolio=secret-shop-energy-drink][img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Secret%20Shop%20Energy%20Drink.png[/img][/url]
[url=http://elevarbeid.webstudent.no/dmk1_oslo/dag_gulliksen/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Profilmanual.pdf][img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Work/Profilmanual.jpg[/img][/url]
Click the images to get a link to the profile manual and see the labels in clean formats as well.
i only dont like how the "Control your game" phrase is at a different height in the middle one. I know it has to do with the shapes but then it doesnt really build a coherent image for the brand in general
[QUOTE=D3TBS;39800189]i only dont like how the "Control your game" phrase is at a different height in the middle one. I know it has to do with the shapes but then it doesnt really build a coherent image for the brand in general[/QUOTE]
It's at a different height on all 3 in relation to the symbols, not just the middle one.
Personally I like it because I prefer that they look good on their own rather than being placed at the same place and looking ugly all over. It's otherwise scaled and set in the exact same way except for the Y position.
But I completley understand why you dislike it though, been throwing that ball back and forth a couple of times.
I have to agree with D3TBS.
If they only look good on their own, it seems to defeat the purpose of grouping them together in every other way.
Plus, when a small part like that is the only difference, it looks more like an oversight or a flaw than a purposeful decision.
It's only the slogan though, everything else like the ingredient setup, description, graphic element placement, logo, product description and, well, everything else is placed similarily.
So I personally think saying it defeats the purpose of grouping them together is going a bit far, and given that they are all different and not two being the same and a third being different I personally think it makes it look like a purposeful decision, whether one agrees or like it however would be a different thing.
With all that said I'll check out how it looks if I put them all on the same height as agility, still I believe it'll look worse since they won't really work well with the shapes.
is this really getting produced or what?
[QUOTE=D3TBS;39805375]is this really getting produced or what?[/QUOTE]
Completely fictional, as stated on the portfolio the image links to.
Sorry if this isn't the place to ask...
I was wandering if there is a way to extract a colour palette from an image. Say I have a photo I took of a leaf, could Photoshop detect the colours and create a palette?
[QUOTE=dgg;39800029]I never got around to showing off that Energy Drink I made back in autumn now did I?
Well, I'm going to re-print the label for Intelligence since it was wrongly named, so for now the name is just photoshopped in on the product photo.
[url=http://elevarbeid.webstudent.no/dmk1_oslo/dag_gulliksen/wordpress/?portfolio=secret-shop-energy-drink][img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Secret%20Shop%20Energy%20Drink.png[/img][/url]
Click the image to get a link to the profile manual and see the labels in clean formats as well.[/QUOTE]
honestly it's pretty dull and lifeless. minimal is one thing but it just has no flare
also the 'energy drink' font is terrible
[editline]6th March 2013[/editline]
not really 'showing off'
you prob should have got cc on it before it was printed in the first place
[QUOTE=whatthe;39806588]Sorry if this isn't the place to ask...
I was wandering if there is a way to extract a colour palette from an image. Say I have a photo I took of a leaf, could Photoshop detect the colours and create a palette?[/QUOTE]
You can upload the image online to Kuler.
[url]https://kuler.adobe.com/[/url]
Or you can use the mosaic function in Photoshop.
[url]http://www.fudgegraphics.com/2008/06/tutorial-how-to-extract-a-colour-scheme-from-a-photograph/[/url]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;39806742]honestly it's pretty dull and lifeless. minimal is one thing but it just has no flare
also the 'energy drink' font is terrible
not really 'showing off'
you prob should have got cc on it before it was printed in the first place[/QUOTE]
I don't want to become overly defensive and sit here and argue too much about my own work like I can easily tend to (finding the line between defending your baby and just having different opinions can be hard when discussing ones own work) so I'll just quickly reply;
I disagree with the flare, the font is a taste thing (a.k.a I disagree) and I did get CC before printing it.
[QUOTE=dgg;39807676]You can upload the image online to Kuler.
[url]https://kuler.adobe.com/[/url]
Or you can use the mosaic function in Photoshop.
[url]http://www.fudgegraphics.com/2008/06/tutorial-how-to-extract-a-colour-scheme-from-a-photograph/[/url]
I don't want to become overly defensive and sit here and argue too much about my own work like I can easily tend to (finding the line between defending your baby and just having different opinions can be hard when discussing ones own work) so I'll just quickly reply;
I disagree with the flare, the font is a taste thing (a.k.a I disagree) and I did get CC before printing it.[/QUOTE]
Thanks both good ideas!
[QUOTE=dgg;39807676]You can upload the image online to Kuler.
[url]https://kuler.adobe.com/[/url]
Or you can use the mosaic function in Photoshop.
[url]http://www.fudgegraphics.com/2008/06/tutorial-how-to-extract-a-colour-scheme-from-a-photograph/[/url]
I don't want to become overly defensive and sit here and argue too much about my own work like I can easily tend to (finding the line between defending your baby and just having different opinions can be hard when discussing ones own work) so I'll just quickly reply;
I disagree with the flare, the font is a taste thing (a.k.a I disagree) and I did get CC before printing it.[/QUOTE]
you can disagree but it still looks like a default windows font like ariel or calibri and very ameteurish
also as for the flare, i don't think that's really an objective thing right here - there's literally nothing interesting about them and literally nothing jumps out at you. at all.
disagree all you want - but they're too basic and not interesting.
[editline]6th March 2013[/editline]
that and they don't look like a drink - they look like deodorant
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