• "Sickening" Fla. spring break gang rape video found
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[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sickening-panama-city-spring-break-gang-rape-video-found/[/url] [QUOTE]PANAMA CITY, Fla. - Two college students have been charged with sexually attacking a woman on a crowded Florida beach filled with spring break revelers who apparently did nothing to stop it, authorities said. Delonte' Martistee, 22, and Ryan Austin Calhoun, 23, were arrested Friday and charged with sexual battery by multiple perpetrators, according to the Bay County Sheriff's Office. CBS affiliate WCTV in Tallahassee reports both men are students at Troy University in Alabama, and that Martistee was a former member of the Troy track team. Both men have been suspended from the school. The attack, recorded on a cellphone video, happened sometime March 10-12 in Panama City, Bay County Sheriff Frank McKeithen said at a news conference. Authorities learned of the assault when police in Troy, Alabama, discovered the video while investigating a shooting. McKeithen described the recording as the "most disgusting, sickening thing" he had ever seen. Several men can be seen surrounding an incapacitated woman on a beach chair. "This is happening in broad daylight with hundreds of people seeing and hearing what is happening, and they are more concerned about spilling their beer than somebody being raped," he said. The sheriff said he expected investigators will make additional arrests.[/QUOTE] Disgusting
Awful. I would have called the cops at least.
Textbook example of the bystander effect. I wonder if there are efficient ways to deter it.
[QUOTE=_Axel;47519070]Textbook example of the bystander effect. I wonder if there are efficient ways to deter it.[/QUOTE] apparently just knowing about the bystander effect makes you less likely to engage in it
[QUOTE=_Axel;47519070]Textbook example of the bystander effect. I wonder if there are efficient ways to deter it.[/QUOTE] I remember we had some old school teacher one time and told if you are a bystander, you should avoid trying to help on these situations. Weird how people can think like that.
I think some of the closer bystanders should be charged
[QUOTE=_Axel;47519070]Textbook example of the bystander effect. I wonder if there are efficient ways to deter it.[/QUOTE] Everybody's wasted and probably underage anyway. They're more concerned with not getting busted. Honestly, I'm willing to bet this sort of thing happens a lot more at the big spring break destinations than people acknowledge. Rivers of booze, anonymous crowds, far away from home and safety? You can hardly manufacture a better environment for sexual assaults. Well, except maybe a frat house. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47519151]I remember we had some old school teacher one time and told if you are a bystander, you should avoid trying to help on these situations. Weird how people can think like that.[/QUOTE] I doubt I would be able to help the person myself which is why I would call the cops (as they would actually be able to do something).
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47519176]I think some of the closer bystanders should be charged[/QUOTE] Mmm, yes, let's put even more fear into their minds. It's almost as if they're not already afraid that intervening will get them attacked as well!
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47519182]Everybody's wasted and probably underage anyway. They're more concerned with not getting busted. Honestly, I'm willing to bet this sort of thing happens a lot more at the big spring break destinations than people acknowledge. Rivers of booze, anonymous crowds, far away from home and safety? You can hardly manufacture a better environment for sexual assaults. Well, except maybe a frat house. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] As an occasional crew member of a local festival, you'd be surprised how accurate you are. People see two drunks tumbling about and getting it on, and nobody thinks more of it than "yo those two are fresh doing it in public!!" Hell even for me it's sometimes difficult to judge, if they're both so wasted that they can barely walk. Who am I to step in and say "hey sober up first"? Could be legitimative, could be abuse. Usually the victim's scared off their minds too and just takes it, so there's not even visible signs of required assistance.
Sad thing is sometimes the perpetrators don't even realize what they're actually doing and/or why it's wrong. To clarify, I mean in the context of events like spring break and festivals.
[QUOTE=spiritlol;47519556]Sad thing is sometimes the perpetrators don't even realize what they're actually doing and/or why it's wrong. To clarify, I mean in the context of events like spring break and festivals.[/QUOTE] Not to try and inject drama into the thread, but this is what people mean when they say "Teach kids not to rape" - Far too many teenagers out there think that sex with someone too drunk to respond isn't rape, and this might be a case of that for some people. They may not have known it was even illegal. Though I would think that most knew and didn't care.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47519182]Everybody's wasted and probably underage anyway. They're more concerned with not getting busted.[/QUOTE] It's really a shame that a lot of grave crimes are not reported for fear of being punished for having less important skeletons in the closet.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47519574]Not to try and inject drama into the thread, but this is what people mean when they say "Teach kids not to rape" - Far too many teenagers out there think that sex with someone too drunk to respond isn't rape, and this might be a case of that for some people. They may not have known it was even illegal. Though I would think that most knew and didn't care.[/QUOTE] It goes beyond that too, you also need to teach people to speak up. If you are having sex with someone who didn't give consent it's rape, but what if they never speak up and tell you no or to stop? You could be committing rape without even knowing it. [I]Implied [/I]consent is a very dangerous thing.
[QUOTE=TestECull;47519409]Mmm, yes, let's put even more fear into their minds. It's almost as if they're not already afraid that intervening will get them attacked as well![/QUOTE] no, just showing them that standing by makes you part of the problem. I'm not saying jail time, but at LEAST a fine
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47519151]I remember we had some old school teacher one time and told if you are a bystander, you should avoid trying to help on these situations. Weird how people can think like that.[/QUOTE] Because there's an assorted history of people that help getting sued for it. It doesn't usually stick, but it does every now and again and those are the stories that pervade the public mind whenever they think about these kind of things. Justice systems here are ridiculous and oft times there's legal grounds for this kind of thing. In this example a bystander could have gone in and forcibly stopped the event, but the people that were committing the crime could turn around and sue this person for assault or some other charge. The problem is not that they have a solid case against you, but that it only takes you getting that one stupid judge to say "[I]You were trying to help, but the law is the law and you committed _______ in the process; you are charged with _______[/I]". Those are the horror stories people are raised with. It's happened often enough (which is to say rarely) that people just assume it [I]will[/I] anytime they might try to help.
People are afraid of the law since law is merciless and can fuck you over for helping. I don't think fining or arresting the bystanders is a good idea. Instead we should work on fixing the law so people are not afraid of being good citizens. Right now there is very little incentive to help others besides morals. Best case scenario you end up feeling good for a job well done, worst case the law will turn on you and will ruin you for trying to help. This is why people are reluctant to help, there's too much to lose. [editline]13th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47519182]Everybody's wasted and probably underage anyway. They're more concerned with not getting busted.[/QUOTE] And this too. Young people like to party with drugs and many are under the drinking age. None of them are going to call the cops unless they are ready to get their and a lot of other peoples lives ruined. Law is a bitch and I am not surprised many people are reluctant to call the cops.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47520071]People are afraid of the law since law is merciless and can fuck you over for helping. I don't think fining or arresting the bystanders is a good idea. Instead we should work on fixing the law so people are not afraid of being good citizens. Right now there is very little incentive to help others besides morals. Best case scenario you end up feeling good for a job well done, worst case the law will turn on you and will ruin you for trying to help. This is why people are reluctant to help, there's too much to lose.[/QUOTE] To me it isn't even about not trying to physically intervene, it's about not calling the police who have the legal authority to do so. Even if it turns out to be consensual, I'm sure there's some law about having sex in public, so it isn't like you can be charged with filing a false report or wasting police time.
[QUOTE=spiritlol;47519715][I]Implied [/I]consent is a very dangerous thing.[/QUOTE] hey bb r u in2 sexual crime ;-) [editline]13th April 2015[/editline] ???
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47520194]To me it isn't even about not trying to physically intervene, it's about not calling the police who have the legal authority to do so. Even if it turns out to be consensual, I'm sure there's some law about having sex in public, so it isn't like you can be charged with filing a false report or wasting police time.[/QUOTE]You can be charged with possession of drugs or providing alcohol to people under drinking age. It was a huge party, not just some random occurring at the beach. The law is broken and counter productive in this case.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47519176]I think some of the closer bystanders should be charged[/QUOTE] Nobody should be pressed into a situation where they're put at risk under penalty of criminal charges. If you don't at least call for help or ensure someone else does so you're a shitty person, but not a criminal.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47520298]Nobody should be pressed into a situation where they're put at risk under penalty of criminal charges. If you don't at least call for help or ensure someone else does so you're a shitty person, but not a criminal.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I think we should encourage people by rewarding them for doing good deeds. Dude reported a serious crime but got busted with a joint? Just let it slide. Hell, pay him a small reward or at least give him something symbolic. Police is already in a fairly negative light, punishing people even more does nothing but make situation worse.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47520338]Yeah, I think we should encourage people by rewarding them for doing good deeds. Dude reported a serious crime but got busted with a joint? Just let it slide. Hell, pay him a small reward or at least give him something symbolic. Police is already in a fairly negative light, punishing people even more does nothing but make situation worse.[/QUOTE] Report seven gang rapes and your next murder is on the house
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47520356]Report seven gang rapes and your next murder is on the house[/QUOTE] Rewards for unlocking achievements? I like that idea.
I'm glad they've been identified and arrested. I hope they get theirs in prison.
[QUOTE=TestECull;47519409]Mmm, yes, let's put even more fear into their minds. It's almost as if they're not already afraid that intervening will get them attacked as well![/QUOTE] They don't even have to intervene physically. They just have to make a fucking 911 call saying "hey, there's a sexual assault in progress at <place>, please get the police here". How hard is that?
What bugs me about this, is that the only reason it's getting attention is because there's video of it all happening. Otherwise most would have never heard of it. And by this time next year it will be forgotten.
Why are there rapes and shootings happening in mah city/the adjacent city during a time where people are supposed to be having fun?
They seriously raped her right there in broad daylight?
[QUOTE=saintsim;47523529]Why are there rapes and shootings happening in mah city/the adjacent city during a time where people are supposed to be having fun?[/QUOTE] Are you implying there's a time of year where rape and murder is [I]supposed[/I] to happen more than another time of year I'm confused
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