BREAKING NEWS - Israel Airstrike Targeted Advanced Missiles That Russia Sold To Syria - Polidicks

[QUOTE]WASHINGTON — [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/israel/index.html?inline=nyt-geo"]Israel[/URL] carried out an air attack in[URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/syria/index.html?inline=nyt-geo"]Syria[/URL] this month that targeted advanced antiship cruise missiles sold to the Syria government by [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/russiaandtheformersovietunion/index.html?inline=nyt-geo"]Russia[/URL], American officials said Saturday. The officials, who declined to be identified because they were discussing intelligence reports, said the attack occurred July 5 near Latakia, Syria’s principal port city. The target was a type of missile called the Yakhont, they said. Mark Regev, a spokesman for the Israeli prime minister, declined to comment on the strike, as did George Little, the Pentagon spokesman. The Russian-made weapon has been [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/world/middleeast/russia-provides-syria-with-advanced-missiles.html"]a particular worry for the Pentagon[/URL]because it expanded Syria’s ability to threaten Western ships that could be used to transport supplies to the Syrian opposition, enforce a shipping embargo or support a possible no-flight zone. The missile also represented a threat to Israel’s naval forces and raised concerns that it might be provided to Hezbollah, the Lebanese militia that has joined the war on the side of the Syrian government. The attack against the missiles came to light after Syrian rebels said that they were not responsible for large explosions at Latakia on July 5, and that a missile warehouse had been hit. American officials did not provide details on the extent of the damage or the number of missiles struck. Israeli officials have said they would not take sides in the civil war in Syria, but they have made it clear that Israel is prepared to carry out airstrikes to prevent sophisticated weapons from being diverted to Hezbollah. The strike near Latakia, first reported by CNN, was the fourth known Israeli air attack against targets in Syria this year. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/world/middleeast/israel-airstrike-targeted-advanced-missiles-that-russia-sold-to-syria-us-says.html?hp&_r=0[/URL]

Ooh, I don't think that's covered under the warranty.

In related news; Russia Doubled it's troops to be deployed in a drill that will take place in the region. From 81,000 to 160,000. [url="http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20130713/182217505/Russias-Snap-Defense-Drills-Expand--Defense-Minister.html"]Source[/url] [quote]MOSCOW, July 13 (RIA Novosti) Russia’s defense minister on Saturday said that up to 160,000 servicemen are involved in the large-scale exercises in the Eastern Military District, double the number initially reported. “The total number of servicemen involved in the snap drills was up to 81,000 last night, the figure this morning was up to 160,000 servicemen,” Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said.[/quote]

Great job Israel, you keep fucking breaking ceasefires. Great job, you drew a fucking theater towards your country.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41450163]In related news; Russia Doubled it's troops to be deployed in a drill that will take place in the region. From 81,000 to 160,000. [url="http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20130713/182217505/Russias-Snap-Defense-Drills-Expand--Defense-Minister.html"]Source[/url][/QUOTE] That's... wow, that's a pretty fucking massive drill.

This news is like 2 weeks old

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41450230]Great job Israel, you keep fucking breaking ceasefires. Great job, you drew a fucking theater towards your country.[/QUOTE] you're an idiot read more about the arab state and their "cease fires" [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - SteveUK))[/highlight]

I didn't know that the ottomans were still around to maintain a unified Arab realm

Remember the last time Israel did this Assad vowed if it happened again there would be retaliation? He's silent. Poor Assad knows he can't do anything about it he just has to sit and take it.

[QUOTE=Aman;41451350]Remember the last time Israel did this Assad vowed if it happened again there would be retaliation? He's silent. Poor Assad knows he can't do anything about it he just has to sit and take it.[/QUOTE] I thought we didn't like Assad.

[QUOTE=Aman;41451350]Poor Assad[/QUOTE] Are we talking about the same guy here? I mean, Israel's actions aren't sunshine and rainbows, but the last person to deserve my pity is Bashar al Assad.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;41451561]Are we talking about the same guy here? I mean, Israel's actions aren't sunshine and rainbows, but the last person to deserve my pity is Bashar al Assad.[/QUOTE] Maybe he means financially? Three years of civil war can't be good for the treasury.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;41451561]Are we talking about the same guy here? I mean, Israel's actions aren't sunshine and rainbows, but the last person to deserve my pity is Bashar al Assad.[/QUOTE] I was saying it sarcastically. [editline]14th July 2013[/editline] Although it would suck getting punched in the face and not being able to fight back.

Keep poking the Arab Hornet's nest israel, sooner or later they'll all come at you.

Yakhonts are pretty awesome: [video=youtube;4AW1XHUcAsQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AW1XHUcAsQ[/video]

[QUOTE=desertdog11;41451745]Keep poking the Arab Hornet's nest israel, sooner or later they'll all come at you.[/QUOTE] And you realize where that will go? Israel can still solo most of the middle east, especially with Syria and Egypt in the dumps right now. And if somehow they win, Israel will use the Sampson option rather than be conquered.

[quote]support a possible no-flight zone[/quote] ...what? They have a range of 120-300 kilometers based on altitude. Lower altitude almost undoubtedly meaning shorter range. Vs a warship they will skirt the ocean, so minimum range (120 km) is what can be expected, given that they would be launching against a carrier battle group. Not that the missile would even remotely have a chance of connecting. Even assuming a carrier off the coast couldn't locate an annihilate these launchers anyways, the range difference it will make for the aircraft is minimal. A no fly zone would still happen AND they'd eventually blow up your launchers just to facilitate logistics. They are, at best, a nuisance. The worst thing those missiles could possibly do is successfully connect with a Western warship. All hell would break loose.

I hate that people have to die to prove these little points.

[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;41451970]And you realize where that will go? Israel can still solo most of the middle east, especially with Syria and Egypt in the dumps right now. And if somehow they win, Israel will use the Sampson option rather than be conquered.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ..

[QUOTE=MoarFunz;41452195]Jesus christ..[/QUOTE] Well they're something like 1.5 tech generations ahead in military stuff. Since almost everyone in the mideast has old surplus.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;41453743]Well they're something like 1.5 tech generations ahead in military stuff. Since almost everyone in the mideast has old surplus.[/QUOTE] Is that why Israel always performed poorly in Lebanon?

[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;41451970]And you realize where that will go? Israel can still solo most of the middle east, especially with Syria and Egypt in the dumps right now. And if somehow they win, Israel will use the Sampson option rather than be conquered.[/QUOTE]They've got nice tech, yeah; but their training (or rather, the results of the training) isn't all it's cracked up to be. Any country that relies on conscripts gets mostly crap soldiers.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41453762]Is that why Israel always performed poorly in Lebanon?[/QUOTE] Israel could have performed much better, the military just misused their resources and a lot of times refused to go into contact with Hezbollah because they were afraid of too many casualties. Hezbollah had a network of underground and above ground defenses in southern Lebanon called "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbullah_Nature_Reserves]Nature Reserves[/url]" (nickname, not actual nature reserves) which the military, in their infinite wisdom, decided to not go into, again, because they were afraid of casualties. The Israeli air force actually had a plan to bomb the shit out of the reserves with napalm, but the government stopped that plan dead in its tracks. In short- The IDF did "poorly" in Lebanon (poorly in terms of objectives accomplished, because southern Lebanon and the Dahieh were basically rubble at the end of that month) because they entered it with a big shrug, trying to just get it over with as fast as they can, and because they misused their resources.

I'm just proving the point that Israel's supposed technological advantage couldn't even defeat a bunch of weekend-warriors a fraction of their size and strength.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41454714]I'm just proving the point that Israel's supposed technological advantage couldn't even defeat a bunch of weekend-warriors a fraction of their size and strength.[/QUOTE] Well I think Glorbo showed that they didn't even use their technological advantage and instead put a handicap on what they were allowed to do.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;41454744]Well I think Glorbo showed that they didn't even use their technological advantage and instead put a handicap on what they were allowed to do.[/QUOTE] That's the main reason. They didn't fight an army; They went hunting for terrorists, on a time limit, with several handicaps and a general lack of main objectives. Tactically they were almost never beaten, but they never had enough going for them on the strategic level.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;41454744]Well I think Glorbo showed that they didn't even use their technological advantage and instead put a handicap on what they were allowed to do.[/QUOTE] Well I remember that report on the conflict by that US general, stated that Israel relied far too heavily on its technological advantage of tanks and airpower, and special forces. All proved to be woefully inadequate.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41454772]Well I remember that report on the conflict by that US general, stated that Israel relied far too heavily on its technological advantage of tanks and airpower, and special forces. All proved to be woefully inadequate.[/QUOTE] They weren't inadequate on their own, they were just overused without infantry. The army went in stepping on eggshells, constantly afraid of looking bad to the media by losing soldiers.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;41454770]Tactically they were almost never beaten, but they never had enough going for them on the strategic level.[/QUOTE] Again not true. I'll try find the reports from the war, but basically even Israeli special force units were bested at a tactical level to their surprise, because they were expecting a 'bunch of terrorists' as you suggested. Here we go: -snip- not the exact one, brb

[QUOTE=Thom12255;41454744]Well I think Glorbo showed that they didn't even use their technological advantage and instead put a handicap on what they were allowed to do.[/QUOTE] Uh they did. They bombarded fuck loads of targets in Lebanon and Iranian-made bunkers saved the day, then Hezbollah used their artillery to bombard Haifa and Tel Aviv. IDF special forces were ambushed by Hezbollah and Israel's tanks blown up by advanced AT weapons acquired by Hezbollah.