After a string of losses, Trump rages that the delegate system is 'rigged' and 'corrupt'; RNC Chairm
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[quote]Donald Trump is issuing a dire warning to his supporters: You're getting ripped off.
[B]"The system, folks, is rigged," Trump told supporters at a rally Monday night in Albany, New York. "It's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system."[/B]
Trump is coming to grips with the creeping possibility that he could narrowly lose the Republican nomination at a contested GOP convention despite landing in Cleveland with the most delegates. And his latest comments follow a series of victories by Ted Cruz's well-oiled delegate wrangling machine at state and county Republican conventions, most recently this weekend when the Texas senator swept the Colorado Republican convention -- wins that are fueling Cruz in the event neither of the two men capture the 1,237 delegates needed to avoid a brokered convention.
And with party elites continuing to rally around efforts to derail and delegitimize his candidacy, Trump is feeling the heat -- and using it to sow new outrage with his backers.
[B]His return fire could land with deadly impact, galvanizing his millions of supporters into an angry revolt against the Republican Party should he lose the nomination as a result of a contested convention.[/B]
"I say this to the RNC and I say it to the Republican Party. You're going to have a big problem folks because there are people that don't like what's going on," Trump said at a Rochester, New York, rally on Sunday during which he referred to the party's nominating process as "crooked" or "corrupt" seven times during his speech.
He also called attention eight times during that speech to the "millions" of votes he has pulled during the primary -- nearly 2 million more than Cruz.
RNC chairman Reince Priebus said the rules that Trump is criticizing are "nothing new."
[B]"The rules were set last year. Nothing mysterious --nothing new. The rules have not changed. The rules are the same. Nothing different,"[/B] Priebus tweeted Monday.
Julia Digioacchino said ahead of Trump's rally Monday night in Albany that she feels GOP party officials are acting "like they know better" than voters like her.
"Here is the Republican Party, instead of listening to its constituents -- to the majority of America -- who are saying this is what we want, they're not backing him up. Instead they're rallying against him, which in turn, they're rallying against us," said the 37-year-old from Saratoga, New York.
[B]Amy Almy, a 48-year-old hairdresser who also attended Trump's rally Monday, said she now feels "naïve" for not realizing that "everything was so fixed."[/B]
Trump argues that this is about more than just him, pulling in Bernie Sanders and his fight against Hillary Clinton and the establishment for the Democratic Party nod -- into the fray. The message from Trump is that the power brokers on both sides are trying to rig the game.
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Charlie Black, a veteran Republican strategist who is crafting a plan that would see Ohio Gov. John Kasich emerge as the nominee at a brokered convention, dismissed Trump supporters who feel they've been deceived.
[B]"So what? So what? That's not how it works," Black said. "If he can't get a majority of the delegates, somebody else will and that's the person that won it fair and square."[/B]
[B]"It's about the delegates, it's not about his ego,"[/B] Black added of Trump, who has benefited from winner-take-all primary rules in several states to earn a larger share of delegates than he has votes.
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[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/12/politics/donald-trump-rages-against-the-machine/index.html[/url]
"I feel naive for not realizing everything was so fixed" :sick:
It wouldn't be rigged if he was winning though
[editline]12th April 2016[/editline]
Even if it is rigged as fuck
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50118383]It wouldn't be rigged if he was winning though[/QUOTE]
Which he still is though nationally, which makes what he says even more confusing.
He's saying all of this to get NYers pumped with anti-establishment talk. That's one of his selling points.
Doesn't matter who is winning or losing, the system is still rigged. We're supposed to be a democratic society (even though the Constitution guarantees nothing regarding voting rights) when we pick our elected officials and yet were stuck with two political parties make forces people to align with them in order to have a practical chance of winning elections. The parties aren't even democratic.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50118383]It wouldn't be rigged if he was winning though
[editline]12th April 2016[/editline]
Even if it is rigged as fuck[/QUOTE]
"I haven't won [I]every single[/I] state therefore the system is rigged"
Kek.
Just kek.
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[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50118396]Which he still is though nationally, which makes what he says even more confusing.[/QUOTE]
The Trump hype is much less than it once was only because we're approaching the GOP nomination. There's no more debates, only Cruz and Kasich are left for him to attack, and the primaries aren't as often. Trump needs more stuff to talk about, there's nothing new for him to say until he faces Clinton.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50118435]The Trump hype is much less than it once was only because we're approaching the GOP nomination. There's no more debates, only Cruz and Kasich are left for him to attack, and the primaries aren't as often. Trump needs more stuff to talk about, there's nothing new for him to say until he faces Clinton.[/QUOTE]
Which is a shame, the SNL parodies of him are so on point and hilarious. Can't wait for the parodies of Clinton vs Trump or Bernie vs Trump.
The rant wasn't all about just himself or the RNC. He also brought up Bernie's campaign and how delegates do not match votes. Looking over the results from various states, it's actually sad seeing states where Bernie and Hillary are tied, but Hillary is awarded 50% more delegates. There was even one where Bernie had a lead, but Hillary got more delegates.
Trump's right about this one thing: the system is rigged, they do not want outsiders to threaten their power.
While I dislike him as a candidate, he is right to say that the delegate system is undemocratic.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50119351]The rant wasn't all about just himself or the RNC. He also brought up Bernie's campaign and how delegates do not match votes. Looking over the results from various states, it's actually sad seeing states where Bernie and Hillary are tied, but Hillary is awarded 50% more delegates. There was even one where Bernie had a lead, but Hillary got more delegates.
Trump's right about this one thing: the system is rigged, they do not want outsiders to threaten their power.[/QUOTE]
This.
A lot of people are going to overlook this because of the "trump is evil" card
[QUOTE=Revenge282;50119660]Increasingly correct politician.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes, but very infrequently, correct mad man
Thing is, whilst Bernie isn't willing to go independent and risk splitting the vote, Trump is. So in theory, America could have its first independent president if Trump goes solo and wins, correct?
I think Bernie and Trump should both go independent should neither win their nominations.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;50119795]Thing is, whilst Bernie isn't willing to go independent and risk splitting the vote, Trump is. So in theory, America could have its first independent president if Trump goes solo and wins, correct?[/QUOTE]
Lol nope, if a candidate doesn't receive enough votes to pass a certain percentage, then it goes to the house to decide who gets to be President. Republican controlled house controlled by lobbyists.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;50119795]Thing is, whilst Bernie isn't willing to go independent and risk splitting the vote, Trump is. So in theory, America could have its first independent president if Trump goes solo and wins, correct?[/QUOTE]
has trump said anything about going independent? it would make some sense for him to quite while he's ahead. the way things have gone, it's still a story he can spin to his favor. same thing if he doesn't get nominated. but there's no way he can go through months of dwindling numbers fighting for a lost cause and not suffer a hit to his image
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50119295]The two party system is truly not that better than a one party system, and the Electoral College is bullshit.
I dont know if Bernie can deliver it, but America needs a political revolution.[/QUOTE]
Proportional representation is a fairly obscure concept in the United States, and trying to build third parties under FPTP is essentially fighting against nature. There just aren't enough people who know what needs to be done right now.
Trump (or his election strategist) is a genius. He knows that his platform is anti-establishment, and he knows that Bernie's platform is anti-establishment as well, so by attacking the delegate system while invoking Bernie's plight, he's widening his net to capture Bernie's voter base. He knows that a good percentage of Bernie's voters will fall for this trick and vote for him in the likely event that Hillary gets the nomination over Sanders. I dislike him for his use of racist and xenophobic rhetoric to capture voters' attention, but I admire him for his intelligent use of election strategy.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50119363]While I dislike him as a candidate, he is right to say that the delegate system is undemocratic.[/QUOTE]
It was never meant to be totally democratic. It's a republic for a reason.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;50119831]I think Bernie and Trump should both go independent should neither win their nominations.[/QUOTE]
I actually went to Bernie's HQ in Wisconsin and I overheard some of the staffers there having a conversation about how Bernie's advisors want Bernie to run independently if Trump ends up doing so.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50121173]I actually went to Bernie's HQ in Wisconsin and I overheard some of the staffers there having a conversation about how Bernie's advisors want Bernie to run independently if Trump ends up doing so.[/QUOTE]
Well, it makes sense. It prevents the situation Bernie feared by asking everyone to vote democrat if he loses.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50121173]I actually went to Bernie's HQ in Wisconsin and I overheard some of the staffers there having a conversation about how Bernie's advisors want Bernie to run independently if Trump ends up doing so.[/QUOTE]
Why? It'd be pointless. There would be four major candidates, essentially guaranteeing (by no candidate polling a majority) that the election of the President will have to go to the House. If it goes to a Democrat-controlled House, the Democrats will toe the party line and vote for Hillary. If it goes to a Republican-controlled House, the Republicans will toe the party line and vote for Cruz.
If Trump goes independent but the Democrats remain united behind Hillary, then Hillary, a Democrat, will almost be guaranteed to win the Presidency by the electoral college. For Bernie to run as an independent is just to fuck around.
I'm hoping both Sander and Trump lose by a hair and then both parties rip themselves apart.
[QUOTE=sb27;50122198]Why? It'd be pointless. There would be four major candidates, essentially guaranteeing (by no candidate polling a majority) that the election of the President will have to go to the House. If it goes to a Democrat-controlled House, the Democrats will toe the party line and vote for Hillary. If it goes to a Republican-controlled House, the Republicans will toe the party line and vote for Cruz.
If Trump goes independent but the Democrats remain united behind Hillary, then Hillary, a Democrat, will almost be guaranteed to win the Presidency by the electoral college. For Bernie to run as an independent is just to fuck around.[/QUOTE]
It would outrage the people. Everyone would be pissed at the system.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;50122573]It would outrage the people. Everyone would be pissed at the system.[/QUOTE]
You're talking about a system where it's not unusual for turnout at elections to only be 25%. Would everyone really be pissed?
Colorado GOP cancelled the primaries and just gave all the delegates to Cruz. It's pretty clear that they don't care what the voters actually want.
[QUOTE=sb27;50123069]You're talking about a system where it's not unusual for turnout at elections to only be 25%. Would everyone really be pissed?[/QUOTE]
Turnout in a federal election hasn't been that low in a couple of centuries as far as I know
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