The concept of infinity is a rather foolish theory. To understand what i'm getting at, we must understand the basic concepts of infinity. We all know that infinity has no end, but more importantly, it must also have no beginning. And if it had a beginning, there would have to be some sort of proof.
If then, infinity had no beginning, nor an end, wouldn't that make it a circle?
Circle's have no beginning nor an end. If you were given a completely perfect and seamless circle, and were told to point to the beginning, you couldn't.
And since circles go around and around in a never ending repetativeness, once we meet the "end" of the circle, we will repeat the same events that we just went through in the "beginning" of the circle. Hence, the circle ends exactly where it starts.
Now ponder this. Most people believe time itself to be infinity, but if so, then...
Time=infinity, infinity=circle, then with our previous given knowledge of how circles work and of course transitivity.. Time=Circle.
Time will end just as when it began... and will therefore repeat its cycle of happenings till it "ends" again and "begins" the same cycle over and over again... for [b]infinity[/b] shall we say?
[sp]Holy fuck how did i even begin talking about infinity, either i just proved a popular scientific concept to be erroneous, or i just predicted the end of the world.. in a way.[/sp]
Time can't be measured on it's own, thats why your wrong. Relativity and space are big factors in the whole infinity / time concept.
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Also, ancient cultures (Mayans, Incans) used Time cycles, which is what you are talking about.
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Actually wait, you are thinking closer to the Wheel of time. It's used more in religions based in Indian, like Hinduism and Buddhism.
Yes, infinity is more or less a "circle" depending on your viewpoint.
It kind of coincides with various other peculiar things in life. For example, the theory that parallel lines are impossible. Imagine two perpendicular infinite lines. The one on the bottom is 100% horizontal. The one on the top is titled down to the right, crossing the one on the bottom. Slowly start leveling out the top one in your head. Regardless of how horizontal it slowly becomes, you will realize that it is still always crossing with the bottom line, just much farther down than before.
Also, I recall reading a few years ago about a study that had more or less pretty solid evidence that the universe may be doughnut shaped.
Why am I in this board?
Infinity is a concept we as merely human beings will probably never fully comprehend.
Like Abys already said, time can't be measured on its own since time isn't a dimension itself; spacetime.
[QUOTE=Andokool12;28970466]Also, I recall reading a few years ago about a study that had more or less pretty solid evidence that the universe may be doughnut shaped.[/QUOTE]
I've heard it is more like a cylinder with a hole in the middle. So an elongated donut.
[QUOTE=Andokool12;28970466]For example, the theory that parallel lines are impossible. Imagine two perpendicular infinite lines. The one on the bottom is 100% horizontal. The one on the top is titled down to the right, crossing the one on the bottom.[/QUOTE]
Perpendicular lines ALWAYS cross. I think you mean something else?
[QUOTE=Andokool12;28970466]Regardless of how horizontal it slowly becomes, you will realize that it is still always crossing with the bottom line, just much farther down than before.[/QUOTE]
Two parallel lines are not angled at all (0 degrees), so no, they will never cross. You can't draw parallel lines, because the point at which they are not parallel is insignificantly small, theoretically infinitively small.
Bis unendlichkeit und noch viel weiter!
Just because a cirlce has no beginning or end and infinity doesn't either doesn't mean they share all other properities too, you've proved nothing.
Guys, sometimes you think of awesome new ideas when you're high, but sometimes they are shit too. Weed makes you [i]creative[/i]: stick to art, not math and physics.
Always wonder what drug people are on when they make these posts, it's interesting haha
[QUOTE=Lenni;28971697]Guys, sometimes you think of awesome new ideas when you're high, but sometimes they are shit too. Weed makes you [i]creative[/i]: stick to art, not math and physics.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I enjoy learning math/science, and being high gives me new ideas. It takes a creative person to come up with the theories we have now, and weed definitely helps.
Some people get high and get stupid, some get high and are still able to think. I also enjoy taking tests high, because I think more about what the question is and it really makes it easier.
∞
it's never ending maaan
Recently mathematicians agreed that there are different types of infinity.
Recently physicians agreed that I can defy gravity.
You really have to consider a frame of reference. Without any frame of reference, nothing is ever at all measurable.
As far as the thought about time, I believe that time is simply the process of the universe becoming symmetrical and uniform. When that occurs, that will cease to exist because there will be complete balance, and nothing will be in motion. If you do not understand why time would not exist, it is be because our whole sense of time is based upon motion. If you were to stop all motion in the universe, you'd be stopping time. At least on a perceptional level, we could easily assume time had stopped if there was no movement at all.
To make a bit of an analogy, imagine dropping in a blot of food dye into a glass jar full of water and then putting the cover over it. The food coloring would diffuse throughout the water, expanding and expanding in quite a chaotic way, and eventually result in a uniform distribution of the food coloring throughout the water. If we were to assume there were no external forces and only the internal forces of the water and the food coloring, once uniformity is reached: there is no other observable state, it is, and forever will remain the same and no particles will ever moved because there is completely balance. If we were to assume that the water was in complete balance at the beginning, then the entire life of the jar could be described as the moment before the drop had an affect on the water, and the moment the the water and dye reached complete equilibrium. Time does not exist before the drop and after the drop simply because they are continuous states. Time cannot exist without motion.
[QUOTE=Lenni;28975188]Recently physicians agreed that I can defy gravity.[/QUOTE]
It's true, Lenni is actually pushed away from the DD rather than pulled into it.
Trust me, I'm a doctor.
Point to me the end or beginning of a square.
Reminds me of one of the season 6 episodes of Futurama, where they went forwards billions and billions of years to get back to where they were.
Your hypotheses has a bit of a flaw, as any shape that is complete will not have a distinct starting point. Where does the shape of the number 8 start?
[QUOTE=Mac2468;28975455]It's true, Lenni is actually pushed away from the DD rather than pulled into it.
Trust me, I'm a doctor.[/QUOTE]
Lol, try harder
I tried my hardest though. :saddowns:
Lenni will always be the way he is
Timelines? Time is not made of lines. Time is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round.
Did i win?
I don't see how you can read something like Pepin's post and say drugs aren't good for thinking about physics.
The big problem with weed, I think, is that it causes people who have absolutely no background or knowledge base of a subject to turn into philosophizing experts instantly. I have one friend who really dislikes reading in general, blames it on her ADD, but she just doesn't like it. She's not very well informed about "the universe and shit" and normally she just doesn't have anything to say about science beyond flashy observable phenomena like lightning and rainbows. When she does it's usually pretty embarrassing.
It's not a bad thing because she doesn't get carried away with it, though. When people start to be confident that they alone have riddled out some great mystery it just makes me feel bad to be a drug user by association. It's far more worthwhile to spend some time on wikipedia or in a good book when you're baked. I can't say that it makes me smarter, as I definitely tend to forget what I've read or start skimming paragraphs without actually making sense of the words, but it lends such a great sense of appreciation for all the knowledge I gain, and I think it keeps me coming back.
There's definitely more of a gain when it comes to pure artistic sensibilities, though. I think a lot of people find that smoking weed makes them a sharper critic with their music and movies. I tend to notice a lot more subtleties, and a lot of people feel increased empathy.
Again though there's some people who just think fucking EVERYTHING is amazing when they smoke weed and they lose all their good tastes.
[QUOTE=Barblunder;28983276]I don't see how you can read something like Pepin's post and say drugs aren't good for thinking about physics.
The big problem with weed, I think, is that it causes people who have absolutely no background or knowledge base of a subject to turn into philosophizing experts instantly. I have one friend who really dislikes reading in general, blames it on her ADD, but she just doesn't like it. She's not very well informed about "the universe and shit" and normally she just doesn't have anything to say about science beyond flashy observable phenomena like lightning and rainbows. When she does it's usually pretty embarrassing.
It's not a bad thing because she doesn't get carried away with it, though. When people start to be confident that they alone have riddled out some great mystery it just makes me feel bad to be a drug user by association. It's far more worthwhile to spend some time on wikipedia or in a good book when you're baked. I can't say that it makes me smarter, as I definitely tend to forget what I've read or start skimming paragraphs without actually making sense of the words, but it lends such a great sense of appreciation for all the knowledge I gain, and I think it keeps me coming back.
There's definitely more of a gain when it comes to pure artistic sensibilities, though. I think a lot of people find that smoking weed makes them a sharper critic with their music and movies. I tend to notice a lot more subtleties, and a lot of people feel increased empathy.
Again though there's some people who just think fucking EVERYTHING is amazing when they smoke weed and they lose all their good tastes.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you completely, I think that if you are already knowledgable on a subject weed can help you think about a problem in a different way that you wouldn't have thought of normally.
A girl once got into a heated debate with me on the existence of ghosts. She said that energy is not created or destroyed so all the energy when you die goes into your ghost. Dumb bitch, I still hate her (everyone in the room believed her).
[QUOTE=Mac2468;28976275]I tried my hardest though. :saddowns:[/QUOTE]
I think you did just fine Lenni doesn't want to believe he sounds dumb sometimes
[QUOTE=newbz;28987917]... Dumb bitch, I still hate her (everyone in the room believed her).[/QUOTE]
I could only see two situational occurrences here. The first being that you did a terrible job in countering her arguments. The second being that everyone in the room already had their minds up that ghosts were real and were simply siding with the person who states their opinion. Likely a combination of the two.
this is a quality example of pui
but everything is an example of infinity, even you. you can never stop getting even smaller, think about that
[QUOTE=newbz;28987917]A girl once got into a heated debate with me on the existence of ghosts. She said that energy is not created or destroyed so all the energy when you die goes into your ghost. Dumb bitch, I still hate her (everyone in the room believed her).[/QUOTE]
When you die, the energy of your body's biomass is ingested by worms, insects, plants, etc.
Unless you're cremated then it burns away (what a waste!)
i'd rather be cremated
don't want any creepy crawlers shitting out my eyeballs in someone's patch.
IT'S MY ENERGY, NOONE CAN HAS IT D:<
[QUOTE=Bftony;28970530]Infinity is a concept we as merely human beings will probably never fully comprehend.
Like Abys already said, time can't be measured on its own since time isn't a dimension itself; spacetime.[/QUOTE]
Time is a dimension itself. It's one dimension of the four that makes up spacetime.
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[QUOTE=Stormcharger;28974636]Recently mathematicians agreed that there are different types of infinity.[/QUOTE]
Recently? The guy that proved the cardinality of the set of real numbers is a larger infinity than the cardinality of the set of natural numbers died in 1918.
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A circle is not infinite. The fact that you can travel an infinite distance in either direction on a circle does not mean a circle does not have a finite boundary. You can do the same thing on a torus. Does that mean time is a toroid?
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