Former reddit CEO Yishan Wong: Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian, not Ellen Pao, responsible for Vict - Polidicks

[URL="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/13/details-emerge-about-victoria-taylors-dismissal-at-reddit/"]The New York Times[/URL] [QUOTE]Over the last week, the circumstances surrounding the dismissal of a Reddit employee, a move that led to a huge user uprising and the resignation of the site's interim chief executive, have been murky at best. Now those details are starting to emerge. In a post on Reddit late Sunday, Yishan Wong, Reddit’s former chief executive and Ellen Pao's predecessor, accused Alexis Ohanian, a Reddit co-founder, of firing the employee, Victoria Taylor. In his description of the events, Mr. Wong said Mr. Ohanian, who at the time held the role of executive chairman, was trying to take control of the site's "ask me anything" forum, also known as AMAs. That popular section of Reddit was organized by Ms. Taylor and ran in conjunction with the volunteer moderators who govern the site. "He had different ideas for AMAs, he didn’t like Victoria’s role, and decided to fire her," Mr. Wong wrote. ... After Ms. Taylor's departure, hundreds of thousands of Redditors called for Ms. Pao's resignation, which she ultimately submitted to the company on Friday. Mr. Ohanian will now be known as co-founder, though Reddit has not made clear what official role he will play in running the company. "When the hate-train started up against Pao, Alexis should have been out front and center saying very clearly 'Ellen Pao did not make this decision, I did,'" wrote Mr. Wong, who abruptly quit in November 2014. "Instead, he just sat back and let her take the heat."[/QUOTE]

Yishan's protecting his slampiece by painting the company as disordered, but Ohanian still deserves to get bounced. Popcorn doesn't taste so good that you get to disregard your userbase.

I've seen people calling for /u/kn0thing to be fired as of well since this came out. Personally, I felt he acted worse than any of the other admins during the Reddit blackout.

[QUOTE=tharmas;48198786]Yishan's protecting his slampiece by painting the company as disordered, but Ohanian still deserves to get bounced. Popcorn doesn't taste so good that you get to disregard your userbase.[/QUOTE] "his slampiece" lol what the fuck is wrong with you? /u/kn0thing even admitted to it: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3cucye/an_old_team_at_reddit/csz2p3i[/url]

[QUOTE=Fangz;48198795]I've seen people calling for /u/kn0thing to be fired as of well since this came out.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3cucye/an_old_team_at_reddit/cszyhmr[/url] This guy is horrible.

[QUOTE=Fangz;48198795]I've seen people calling for /u/kn0thing to be fired as of well since this came out. Personally, I felt he acted worse than any of the other admins during the Reddit blackout.[/QUOTE] Guy is so unprofessional. People asked him some serious questions and responded by saying he is just enjoying the popcorn. I used to enjoy Reddit but these past 2 years have been such a dump truck.

The whole just goes deeper and deeper. Is there anyone in with power on Reddit who isn't corrupt or a dick?

[QUOTE=tharmas;48198786]Yishan's protecting his slampiece by painting the company as disordered, but Ohanian still deserves to get bounced. Popcorn doesn't taste so good that you get to disregard your userbase.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is a slampiece [editline]13th July 2015[/editline] [url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Slam+piece]what the fuck man[/url]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;48199217]What the fuck is a slampiece[/QUOTE] someone you're boning

Why didn't Pao just outright say "I am not responsible for her firing." Or at least the kn0thing saying "This is my fault and I take responsibility." Actually the quote from Yishan : [quote]I'm glad redditors have started to piece together all of this. Here's the only thing you're missing: It travels upstream, except when it comes from the CEO's boss. Alexis wasn't some employee reporting to Pao, he was the Executive Chairman of the Board, i.e. Pao's boss. He had different ideas for AMAs, he didn't like Victoria's role, and decided to fire her. Pao wasn't able to do anything about it. In this case it shouldn't have traveled upstream to her, it came from above her. Then when the hate-train started up against Pao, Alexis should have been out front and center saying very clearly "Ellen Pao did not make this decision, I did." Instead, he just sat back and let her take the heat. That's a stunning lack of leadership and an incredibly shitty thing to do. I actually asked that he be on the board when I joined; I used to respect Alexis Ohanian. After this, not quite so much.[/quote] Quite sad really. Although, I really didn't like Pao, I still thought kn0thing was equally as terrible or responsible.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;48199217]What the fuck is a slampiece [editline]13th July 2015[/editline] [url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Slam+piece]what the fuck man[/url][/QUOTE] Word around the water cooler is Yishan gave Pao the position because they fucked. Just the messenger.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;48199288]Why didn't Pao just outright say "I am not responsible for her firing." Or at least the kn0thing saying "This is my fault and I take responsibility." Actually the quote from Yishan.[/QUOTE] well i mean, kn0thing is her boss you don't tell the world that your boss is responsible for a certain mess, even if they actually are, unless you're looking to get demoted if not fired. [QUOTE=tharmas;48199361]Word around the water cooler is Yishan gave Pao the position because they fucked. Just the messenger.[/QUOTE] you can be dissatisfied with the work a person does in their job regardless of their gender, but to suggest that the only reason they have said job is that they boned someone is just childish.

man ignorance is bliss. companies like reddit come and go, and so do trends - for example me, I had zero clue what something like gamergate is and still don't, and the same with this reddit fiasco unless you're knee deep in it or make a profit off of it, move along and find something else [editline]14th July 2015[/editline] like you're all slamming some chinese guys and girls you've never heard anything other than junk about, come on

I've never been on Reddit or had the inkling to comment there. I am somewhat glad of it now.

[QUOTE=tharmas;48199361]Word around the water cooler is Yishan gave Pao the position because they fucked. Just the messenger.[/QUOTE] That's definitely not true

recent events have really demonstrated that there's apparently not a single competent person in all of reddit's staff, and that everyone should be fired and the website burnt to the ground

I'm sure many people will agree when I say thank god I don't use Reddit.

[QUOTE=Shiftyze;48199011]Guy is so unprofessional. People asked him some serious questions and responded by saying he is just enjoying the popcorn. I used to enjoy Reddit but these past 2 years have been such a dump truck.[/QUOTE] Sounds like he'd make a good mod around here.

I keep imagining space jam videos whenever slampiece is mentioned

[QUOTE=tharmas;48199361]Word around the water cooler is Yishan gave Pao the position because they fucked. Just the messenger.[/QUOTE] There is a rumor I have a 12 inch dick too.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;48199748]I'm sure many people will agree when I say thank god I don't use Reddit.[/QUOTE] Why? It's a news aggregator that allows you to see content on similar subjects/topics/fields that cater to your interests? Sure, the comments section used to be interesting when people actually knowledgeable about the subject would discuss and debate the topic at hand, bt now since everyone can Wikipedia something in 5 minutes, suddenly everyone and their dog is an armchair economist/military strategist/scientist. Just pare down reddit to the specific topics you're interested to, never visit the comments section unless it's a self post with content you're interested specifically (like a programming question, for instance) and you'll be fine. The tinier niche subreddits that aren't default are usually heavily moderated to ensure good reads. That's just my opinion on it, but if you can source information from other sources too, then that's great and do share them with us too because I'd like to read and learn more (if they're relevant to my interests). Who wouldn't?

[QUOTE=joes33431;48199409]well i mean, kn0thing is her boss you don't tell the world that your boss is responsible for a certain mess, even if they actually are, unless you're looking to get demoted if not fired. you can be dissatisfied with the work a person does in their job regardless of their gender, but to suggest that the only reason they have said job is that they boned someone is just childish.[/QUOTE] I'm not buying it simply because I think everyone is out to annihilate Ellen Pao. From the sounds of it, I wouldn't like a person like her and I disagree with a lot of her actions and reasons for activism. However, I do not feel so inclined to destroy her image even if such allegations are true. I don't think that people are giving her any wiggle room as a person - no room to improve or outlet the stress of a thousand internet communities. I felt this way in regards to Zoey Quinn: she isn't a great person, but by focusing a magnitude of hate and pressure into her she will get worse or snap and do something gravely irreversible. The community may have a sole purpose that is right, but the means to serve that purpose can be irrational and only harmful.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;48199748]I'm sure many people will agree when I say thank god I don't use Reddit.[/QUOTE] i dont think so

Ever since i joined reddit it's been going down the shitter i wonder if victoria thing was my fault

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;48199748]I'm sure many people will agree when I say thank god I don't use Reddit.[/QUOTE] You're judging Reddit based on bad forums or staff that I have never seen intervene on the reddits I look at. That's like saying Tumblr's bad because of porn and social justice warriors, or Facepunch is terrible because of Fast Threads. Reddit's layout itself is pretty awful, though.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48201650]I'm not buying it simply because I think everyone is out to annihilate Ellen Pao. From the sounds of it, I wouldn't like a person like her and I disagree with a lot of her actions and reasons for activism. However, I do not feel so inclined to destroy her image even if such allegations are true. I don't think that people are giving her any wiggle room as a person - no room to improve or outlet the stress of a thousand internet communities. I felt this way in regards to Zoey Quinn: she isn't a great person, but by focusing a magnitude of hate and pressure into her she will get worse or snap and do something gravely irreversible. The community may have a sole purpose that is right, but the means to serve that purpose can be irrational and only harmful.[/QUOTE] i think it has a lot to do with our culture's tendency to over-emphasize the influence of individual dispositions and personalities of people when making decisions, especially ones that reach the extremes of positive and negative. you see a lot of it in populist media with simplified stories: a gangster murders someone because he's a crazy bastard, a CEO cuts pensions because he's a greedy bastard, a politician takes away personal freedoms because he's a power-hungry bastard. all of these actions are morally and ethically wrong, but we have the wrong takeaway. we don't just judge their [I]actions[/I] as wrong, we deem them wrong as [I]human beings[/I], when in reality the motivators behind immoral actions are often complex, situational, and rooted more in human ignorance than in malice. then you mix this with the fact that ellen pao is largely considered to be an "SJW". regardless of what anyone thinks about keyboard warriors or the broader internet debate on feminism, the perception is that she belongs to a group that many people don't want meddling in the site's affairs. she's an outsider, and as psychology tells us, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism"]we tend to give outsiders very little benefit of the doubt[/URL]: [QUOTE]For example, it has been shown that people will seek to make more internal (dispositional) attributions for events that reflect positively on groups they belong to and more external (situational) attributions for events that reflect negatively on their groups.[/QUOTE] (the inverse being true for the outgroup and its members) the result? when she makes decisions that people don't like, folks are quick to not just attack her actions but her as a person. she's basically the internet's version of a politician.

First 4chan goes all retarded, and now Reddit. What's next? Tumblr?

[QUOTE=DuCT;48205505]First 4chan goes all retarded, and now Reddit. What's next? Tumblr?[/QUOTE] I could see the tumblr community freaking out if they start banning some nsfw images like DA did. [editline]14th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=latin_geek;48199646]recent events have really demonstrated that there's apparently not a single competent person in all of reddit's staff, and that everyone should be fired and the website burnt to the ground[/QUOTE] I really hope either Voat get's their shit together or a new competitor arises. I feel like a staff overhaul won't happen anytime soon at Reddit.

tumblr staff already have no idea what they're doing, at one point they did ban a lot of NSFW blogs, and make others harder to find at this point they're diverting all their incompetence into making a bunch of pointless UI changes, though

[QUOTE=Conro101;48205805]tumblr staff already have no idea what they're doing, at one point they did ban a lot of NSFW blogs, and make others harder to find at this point they're diverting all their incompetence into making a bunch of pointless UI changes, though[/QUOTE] I think that was when Yahoo bought Tumblr, they eventually rolled everything back.