Hey,
What is the best way to undergo concept art if you wish to pursue it? What software, any drawing tablet tutorials, books etc. Any help would be great.
First things first. Can you draw?
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;38767373]First things first. Can you draw?[/QUOTE]
Yeah learning will be quick because I could draw, the only problem I face is what process would I take to undergo concept art drawing.
Photoshop, any tablet you feel comfortable with.
Google the rest
[QUOTE=Lazore;38770212]Photoshop, any tablet you feel comfortable with.
Google the rest[/QUOTE]
Any good quality, yet affordable tablet?
What budget? I recommend investing in a Wacom Intous4 or 5 Medium tablet (200-300) or a Monoprice (the most expensive you can find which is less than 100)
It sounds like you might be a little overambitious at the moment; concept art is an incredibly advanced field - in my opinion probably one of the most advanced fields of art there is. You can't go wrong with a wacom tablet and photoshop, and as for tutorials etc, it really depends what you need to practice in. Judging from the vagueness in your post though, it looks like you might be a long way off concept art just yet.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;38770476]It sounds like you might be a little overambitious at the moment; concept art is an incredibly advanced field - in my opinion probably one of the most advanced fields of art there is. You can't go wrong with a wacom tablet and photoshop, and as for tutorials etc, it really depends what you need to practice in. Judging from the vagueness in your post though, it looks like you might be a long way off concept art just yet.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know what you mean, but I forgot to add. I already do have practice with Wacom tablets and Photoshop itself, although having it for personal use I don't which is why I asked which one is really worth it. But in all seriousness, yeah I probably may need to practice more and more on concept art until I can really understand it.
You need to practice art, not concept art
Get better at everything, no matter what amount of relevance you think it has to where you wanna end up. Concept art requires a great deal of drawing out of your head, which means you need to be killer at every aspect in order to reproduce it from scratch.
Draw and paint and draw and paint like a motherfucker, eventually when you're good enough it'll become evident to you what you need to hone in on and practice.
Ok, I will try to quickly sum up what I have learnt about this industry the last year or so. Hope this is what you wanted to hear.
Get rid of all distractions such as video games, TV series and going to clubs and similar, and start working harder then you ever have before. From now on, time is the most precious thing you have! Never make an excuse to NOT draw. Get a sketchbook, and start drawing in it EVERY opportunity you get! Get a small one that you can draw in while waiting in lines, waiting for the bus and similar.
Start a sketchbook at Conceptart.org, Crimson Daggers forum and the Facepunch forum and publish pretty much everything you draw! Always accept criticism and the harsh truth you will hear! Get motivated by all the other awesome artists that you see. Try to look at tutorials whenever you get stuck somewhere. Also, don't be afraid to ask other artists about their process and similar.
Also, don't forget to study the world! Do life drawings! If the weather is nice, then go out and do a bunch of drawings from life (I recommend traditional ink and markers, or watercolors for quick life sketches of nature). If you can, start in a Croquis class!
As for tablets, I recomend a Wacom Intuos. I've had a Wacom Intuos 4 medium for 2 years now, and it's been absolutely perfect for me (it's my first tablet btw).
Other then that, just put the time in it! If you practice real hard (and I mean HARD!!) it's possible to go from a complete noob to a profesional in as little as 2-3 years (no joke). Hope to see some of your work soon!
Okay cool, well here we start I'm going to go pickup a nice sketchpad and start practicing, also anyone have any specific software I should use? Photoshop, Illustrator, GIMP, Paint, Paint.NET?
[QUOTE=pilot;38779681]Okay cool, well here we start I'm going to go pickup a nice sketchpad and start practicing, also anyone have any specific software I should use? Photoshop, Illustrator, GIMP, Paint, Paint.NET?[/QUOTE]
Photoshop! Never mind about the others for now.
Don't go near Illustrator, the name is a red herring :v:
[QUOTE=ZitaX;38774797]Ok, I will try to quickly sum up what I have learnt about this industry the last year or so. Hope this is what you wanted to hear.
Get rid of all distractions such as video games, TV series and going to clubs and similar, and start working harder then you ever have before. From now on, time is the most precious thing you have! Never make an excuse to NOT draw. Get a sketchbook, and start drawing in it EVERY opportunity you get! Get a small one that you can draw in while waiting in lines, waiting for the bus and similar.
Start a sketchbook at Conceptart.org, Crimson Daggers forum and the Facepunch forum and publish pretty much everything you draw! Always accept criticism and the harsh truth you will hear! Get motivated by all the other awesome artists that you see. Try to look at tutorials whenever you get stuck somewhere. Also, don't be afraid to ask other artists about their process and similar.
Also, don't forget to study the world! Do life drawings! If the weather is nice, then go out and do a bunch of drawings from life (I recommend traditional ink and markers, or watercolors for quick life sketches of nature). If you can, start in a Croquis class!
As for tablets, I recomend a Wacom Intuos. I've had a Wacom Intuos 4 medium for 2 years now, and it's been absolutely perfect for me (it's my first tablet btw).
Other then that, just put the time in it! If you practice real hard (and I mean HARD!!) it's possible to go from a complete noob to a profesional in as little as 2-3 years (no joke). Hope to see some of your work soon![/QUOTE]
I have to disagree; forcing ones self to draw all day every day may not be the best way to improve. It depends on the student; I'm on holiday from University right now and I've improved more in these past few casual weeks of relaxed painting than I did during the highly stressed and full-on study period
Focusing on projects for school/uni is different though.
You're definitely not going to get better by [I]not[/I] practicing; the question is whether or not the kind of practice you're doing is the right kind. Often working towards school projects and getting incredibly stressed out isn't the optimal way of improving, but not practicing is never gonna help.
Guys, Photoshop = $250-700 how did you guys afford it? (And please don't tell me to torrent)
[QUOTE=pilot;38794923]Guys, Photoshop = $250-700 how did you guys afford it? (And please don't tell me to torrent)[/QUOTE]
Student License. Bought the whole Master Collection.
Also by having a job and earning money.
[QUOTE=dgg;38799456]Student License. Bought the whole Master Collection.
Also by having a job and earning money.[/QUOTE]
Same thing. Our uni provided me a free license for lots of things, like Windows, some technical software, or graphic editors etc. The funny thing is that I could take photoshop even though I studied at the physical faculty.
Also, concerning concept art. My sad experience in it forces me to tell that technique itself is only one of lost of things you should know to be a good concept artist. It's not even the most important. YOur ideas and knowledge are things that really matters.
[QUOTE=pilot;38794923]Guys, Photoshop = $250-700 how did you guys afford it? (And please don't tell me to torrent)[/QUOTE]
Well we can't really tell you to torrent, but take a guess how many people in CC actually bought something from Adobe other than goody two shoes dgg
So you're asking an awkward question, the answer is mostly that we didn't have to afford it :v:
You shouldn't really worry about spending lots of money on expensive software before you start earning money with it.
There are always free alternatives like GIMP as well. When it comes to drawing the tool isn't important, just the ability to draw and use colour.
You will become just as great of a artist if you only use MS paint, because the limitation is yourself, not the program. Photoshop will just make certain things easier and faster, which is great, but you have no use for it if you can't draw, and you can easily get hung up in all the features and spend a lot of your time fiddling with digital features and effects instead of actually drawing which will stop you from getting better instead of helping you get better.
if you're stuck for money you could always just download the 30 day trial then reinstall windows when the trial runs out so that you can restart your 30 days
[QUOTE=dgg;38799943]
You will become just as great of a artist if you only use MS paint, because the limitation is yourself, not the program. [/QUOTE]
Rubbish - that adage can only be stretched so far
It's like telling a snail it can be as fast as a hawk if it really believes in itself
Why hasn't anyone recommended him this?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/FZDSCHOOL[/url]
Feng explains almost all you need to know about the industry and how to get better at design.
I like feng
I disagree with him on some things, but he generally knows what he's talking about
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38799969]if you're stuck for money you could always just download the 30 day trial then reinstall windows when the trial runs out so that you can restart your 30 days[/QUOTE]
That sounds really tedious, He could dual boot with Linux where there are some awesome free drawing softwares.
(Yeah I know that sounds tedious too, but hey, it's a free okay solution me thinks)
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broke my mergeh
True
Personally I don't mind reinstalling windows every month. Keeps everything nice and fresh. But I get that some people don't have the time to do that sort of thing
[editline]13th December 2012[/editline]
they call me mergebane and I feel no remorse
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;38800239]Rubbish - that adage can only be stretched so far
It's like telling a snail it can be as fast as a hawk if it really believes in itself[/QUOTE]
So it's impossible to be a good artist only using pen and paper.
That's what you're saying right now.
It's never about the tools, anyone who thinks so is a fool and likes to make up excuses. Tools can help and improve, but they are never an obstacle.
No but limiting onesself to MS paint is silly
Often you need to be able to make things look good and presentable if you're a concept artist; relying on pencil and paper or MS paint won't allow you to do that. And a significant part of being a decent digital artist is knowing how to use brushes or a versatile interface such as Photoshop to quickly create the work you need to create to the required standard
Sure MS paint or a pencil and paper might work for learning the fundamentals but anything beyond that and it's just going to slow you down
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the tools are an obstacle if you have to deal with a ridiculously small maximum brush size and no support for alpha or layers, i.e., what you get in mspaint
Of course it's about tools; if you want to spend days making something in mspaint that you could make in Photoshop in an hour then you can do it but it's not a good choice
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38800375]No but limiting onesself to MS paint is silly
Often you need to be able to make things look good and presentable if you're a concept artist; relying on pencil and paper or MS paint won't allow you to do that. And a significant part of being a decent digital artist is knowing how to use brushes or a versatile interface such as Photoshop to quickly create the work you need to create to the required standard
Sure MS paint or a pencil and paper might work for learning the fundamentals but anything beyond that and it's just going to slow you down[/QUOTE]
When did I say anyone had to limit themselves to MS Paint?
That's why we have GIMP, so you don't have to shelf out money you don't have to do what you could do with GIMP to begin with.
Yes, but my point is that he's focusing on what tools he needs to be pro instead of focusing on being good at drawing first. He's focusing on the wrong things from the get-go.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38800375]Of course it's about tools; if you want to spend days making something in mspaint that you could make in Photoshop in an hour then you can do it but it's not a good choice[/QUOTE]
Again.
Tools can HELP (make a process faster or easier) and improve (make a good result better) but they are never an obstacle (you can always do it without the tools, it's just not necessarily AS easy/fast).
My point is that the tools are not a focus and is not what you should pay attention to if you wanna start out as an artist. Focus on becoming good at doing what you need to do (draw well) and then the tools you need to become better will become more obvious to you as you go along (because you run into situations where you want to do something but dunno quite how to do it and find out how).
Okay cool, so I checked out Feng and he is pretty good at explaining things, I spent more time now practicing drawing on a sketchpad, and I have been learning how to utilize GIMP and Paint.NET which probably aren't the "industry" brand, but like dgg said before, it's your limitations that count so I've been working on that. Also, before I go to do more drawing and get more inspiration from deviantART (which is like the best art website ever :P ) I just want to say thank you for all the people that gave me pointers. When I first put up this thread I was saying to my self "I bet someone is just going to write NOPE as a reply and that will be the end of it" but you guys are pretty awesome for helping. Thanks guys!
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