Opposition to Japanese constitution changes (Article 9) polled at 59%, indicate strong anti-war atti - Polidicks

[quote][I]ASAHI SHIMBUN[/I] Fifty-nine percent of voters do not support moves by the Abe administration to change the current interpretation of the Constitution to allow Japan to exercise its right of collective self-defense, according to a weekend poll by The Asahi Shimbun. This compares with 27 percent of voters who do. Among the 55 percent of respondents who support the Abe Cabinet, 37 percent supported the proposal while 49 percent opposed it. The opposition was more obvious among the 27 percent of respondents who do not support the Cabinet: 13 percent supported the proposal while 81 percent opposed it. Even among the 38 percent of respondents who support the ruling Liberal Democratic Party, 37 percent backed the proposal and 48 percent did not. Among the 45 percent of independent voters, 21 percent supported the proposal and 63 percent opposed it. With regard to Abe's decision not to visit the war-related Yasukuni Shrine on Aug. 15, the anniversary of Japan's surrender in World War II, 63 percent of respondents answered that it was “appropriate,” far outnumbering the 20 percent who said it was “inappropriate.”[/quote] [I] Source: [url]http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/politics/AJ201308260110[/url] [/I]

Good on Japan

Only 59%?

[QUOTE=Confused111;41978680]Only 59%?[/QUOTE] 6 in 10 is a pretty strong indicator, statistically.

Fuck article 9. You'd have to understand the geopolitics here to understand why I say that. To clarify, a lot of Japanese support changing A9 to legally field a much larger military to compete with China and to end dependence on the US for defense. To be fair, Japan ignores Article 9 in a lot of regards.

[QUOTE=Ta16;41978695]Fuck article 9. You'd have to understand the geopolitics here to understand why I say that. To clarify, a lot of Japanese support changing A9 to legally field a much larger military to compete with China and to end dependence on the US for defense. To be fair, Japan ignores Article 9 in a lot of regards.[/QUOTE] Except that's not at all what this poll indicates? The constitution's "collective self-defense" article [I]is[/I] Article 9. The phrasing of it as 'collective self-defense' is an invention by the people supporting the changes, when the article itself refers to 'right of belligerency' anyway. Their military already has a budget of around 56 billion dollars and some 250,000 active personnel, ranked 24th in the world. It is a military in everything but name, with its only real restriction by Article 9 being that it cannot conduct invasions as a means of solving disputes. If China attacked Japan it would be entirely constitutional to retaliate.

I just wish they'd stop censoring porn

Doesn't this mean any attempt to amend it is likely fucked since it would require referendum approval?

[QUOTE=Dr.C;41979317]I just wish they'd stop censoring porn[/QUOTE] Yeah it's really weird how a country that is known for making cartoon porn and with a consent age of 13 censors their porn so damn much.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;41979317]I just wish they'd stop censoring porn[/QUOTE] What's wrong with watching American made Hentai?

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;41979475]What's wrong with watching American made Hentai?[/QUOTE] It's generally awful.

why field there own military when we can do it for them out of our taxpayers pockets

[QUOTE=smurfy;41979326]Doesn't this mean any attempt to amend it is likely fucked since it would require referendum approval?[/QUOTE] Well that's another thing Abe wants to do. Amend Article 96 so amendments only requires a simple majority in both houses of parliament rather than a two-thirds vote.

[QUOTE=Megafan;41980255]Well that's another thing Abe wants to do. Amend Article 96 so amendments only requires a simple majority in both houses of parliament rather than a two-thirds vote.[/QUOTE] Oh wow that's dumb as shit. It's not a good idea to have the chance of pissing off nearly half of the population.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;41979412]Yeah it's really weird how a country that is known for making cartoon porn and with a consent age of 13 censors their porn so damn much.[/QUOTE] I read somewhere that it was because of some of the christian views imposed upon them when the west essentially forced them into trade agreements some years ago. Consequentially this is also how tentacle porn was born. I guess they didn't give them a broad definition of "pornography" back then beyond "don't draw peepees going into vagoos".

[QUOTE=Dr.C;41979317]I just wish they'd stop censoring porn[/QUOTE] It's really weird because Japan used to not give a single shit about nudity or sex in general and then occidental culture kicked in and suddenly censorship everywhere.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;41979412]Yeah it's really weird how a country that is known for making cartoon porn and with a consent age of 13 censors their porn so damn much.[/QUOTE] Except that the age of consent is not 13, every prefecture raises it higher.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;41981017]I read somewhere that it was because of some of the christian views imposed upon them when the west essentially forced them into trade agreements some years ago. Consequentially this is also how tentacle porn was born. I guess they didn't give them a broad definition of "pornography" back then beyond "don't draw peepees going into vagoos".[/QUOTE] Take this work by the same person who painted The Great Wave. [url]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/n2GQkkuEFis/T683BdJpYLI/AAAAAAAAC3w/CCo78UMU4Og/s640/fishermanswife.jpg[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41981964]Take this work by the same person who painted The Great Wave. [url]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/n2GQkkuEFis/T683BdJpYLI/AAAAAAAAC3w/CCo78UMU4Og/s640/fishermanswife.jpg[/url][/QUOTE] Link is busted.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41982256]Link is busted.[/QUOTE] It's an octopus eating out a woman. [editline]27th August 2013[/editline] The article also means that Japan cannot maintain armed forces, but their 'Self Defense Forces' are essentially armed forces and are rather well equipped and trained even if defense spending is usually 1% of GDP (It helps to have a large GDP).