Mother and daughter arrested over incestuous marriage in Oklahoma - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/08/mother-and-daughter-arrested-over-incestuous-marriage/"]Source.[/URL] [QUOTE] A 43-year-old woman and her 23-year-old daughter have been arrested and charged with incest after authorities in Oklahoma discovered they were married. Patricia Spann, the mother, had lost custody of her three children some years ago. The daughter, Misty, and her two brother were raised by a grandparent. Ms Spann was reunited with daughter Misty two years ago, and records show that the two women got married in March this year. The relationship was discovered last month during an investigation by the state’s department of human services into the welfare of children living at the older woman’s house. Patricia had previously married her son, Jody, in 2008, with the marriage annulled two years later. [/QUOTE] Not saying this ain't creepy but past this point it seems a waste of resources sending police after them.

This should be legal tbh... Who gives a fuck if they are happy.

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[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024218]This should be legal tbh... Who gives a fuck if they are happy.[/QUOTE] hello simski

Waitig for a homophobic person to be outraged over two women being married and start criticizing it without knowing the two are mother and daughter.

The daughter's only hope is proving that she was forced to marry.

This may just be about them wanting to claim the benefits of marriage recognized by the state. For example this would affect their taxes. I would say there is nothing inherently incestuous about this. Considering this is the second time she married her son as well, I'd say it's some sort of scheme to either make money or to benefit of of some sort of state program that recognizes marriage.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;51024234]The daughter's only hope is proving that she was forced to marry.[/QUOTE] What? What are you basing this on? Why do you think she was forced?

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024254]What? What are you basing this on? Why do you think she was forced?[/QUOTE] I think he's saying that if the daughter says that she was forced she might be in less trouble

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024254]What? What are you basing this on? Why do you think she was forced?[/QUOTE] You don't think there's a possibility she may have been coerced in to a relationship from a young and impressionable age? [QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024218]This should be legal tbh... Who gives a fuck if they are happy.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding[/url] Unless you're suggesting that direct relatives should be able to marry but not have children

Why is everyone assuming their marriage is based of sexual attraction?

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51024264]You don't think there's a possibility she may have been coerced in to a relationship from a young and impressionable age? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding[/url] Unless you're suggesting that direct relatives should be able to marry but not have children[/QUOTE] this was 2 women, I don't think inbreeding is a concern

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51024264]You don't think there's a possibility she may have been coerced in to a relationship from a young and impressionable age? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding[/url] Unless you're suggesting that direct relatives should be able to marry but not have children[/QUOTE] I get your point but you are going to struggle to inbreed with two women unless they get the brother as a sperm donor. [editline]10th September 2016[/editline] fuck

I mean I guess if it's two consenting adults then I don't care too much, it's just weird. But if there's any evidence of coercion it's deff a no go.

[QUOTE=butre;51024274]this was 2 women, I don't think inbreeding is a concern[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=helifreak;51024276]I get your point but you are going to struggle to inbreed with two women unless they get the brother as a sperm donor. [editline]10th September 2016[/editline] fuck[/QUOTE] [quote]Patricia had previously married her son, Jody, in 2008, with the marriage annulled two years later.[/quote] Unless he's also suggesting that "Incestuous relationships should be okay but only if its between two women or two men and they don't have children", which somehow I don't think he was

incestuous relationships are extremely unhealthy and unstable in general for both parties, especially if children are produced of the union

Nobody reads the article. [QUOTE]Speaking to KSWO, Patricia’s son, Cody, said of his mother: “I think she's worthless. She put my sister into this. “She forced my sister into this, there's a lot of people that know it. For you to want to put your own daughter through this, what kind of person are you? [/QUOTE] Now stop talking about incest and start considering the fact that this was for state benefits.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024218]This should be legal tbh...[/QUOTE] No it shouldn't be legal, incestuous relationships are surrounded by dysfunctional mental health minefields.

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51024264]You don't think there's a possibility she may have been coerced in to a relationship from a young and impressionable age? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding[/url] Unless you're suggesting that direct relatives should be able to marry but not have children[/QUOTE] Do i need to tell you about the birds and the bees? [editline]9th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51024298]incestuous relationships are extremely unhealthy and unstable in general for both parties, especially if children are produced of the union[/QUOTE] Source please [editline]9th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Vasili;51024303]No it shouldn't be legal, incestuous relationships are surrounded by dysfunctional mental health minefields.[/QUOTE] Legally independent people should not be told what to do and how they live their lives... especially not by the government

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024304]Legally independent people should not be told what to do and how they live their lives... especially not by the government[/QUOTE] This is such a non-argument, there's nothing legal about it.

Blizzard considering the sheer influence close relatives have over each other, the fact that a person that engages in such a behaviour is most likely having issues and the fact incest is illegal even in nonblood relations (adopted child, stepsibling etc), you get into a very indefensible situation. For the record legally independent people are not told what to do by the government, as long as they live legally and not harm society.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024304]Do i need to tell you about the birds and the bees? [editline]9th September 2016[/editline] Source please [editline]9th September 2016[/editline] Legally independent people should not be told what to do and how they live their lives... especially not by the government[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1432588[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3828862[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7850611[/url]

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51024284]Unless he's also suggesting that "Incestuous relationships should be okay but only if its between two women or two men and they don't have children", which somehow I don't think he was[/QUOTE] People with inheritable genetic diseases are allowed to reproduce why should incest be treated differently? A girl I know has scoliosis if she has kids theres a pretty high chance of her kids having it also, should she be banned from reproducing? Her kids chances of having a disease will be higher than 2 relatively healthy family members having kids together. The only big issue about it is power imbalance which is considered just fine and dandy in a load of other cases (in the uk 40-50 year olds can have sex and have children with 16 year olds etc) Granted its weird but if you are going to use science to argue against it you need to be consistent, which opens up a whole loads of hard to answer questions. I agree with blizzard what goes on between 2 adults who consent and understand what they are consenting to is their business its not for the state to go dictating, especially when very often the rules set by the state are inconsistent or polluted by religious dogma. Personally I don't think they should be allowed to have kids but I also believe the state should never dictate who can and can't have kids so bleh

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51024335][url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1432588[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3828862[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7850611[/url][/QUOTE] How about we post a study thats not twenty plus years old.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024218]This should be legal tbh... Who gives a fuck if they are happy.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“She forced my sister into this, there's a lot of people that know it. For you to want to put your own daughter through this, what kind of person are you? “If that's what you want that's on you, but none of us kids want that, and now you got my sister behind bars because of your choices. Why don't you let that sit on you as a mum?”[/QUOTE] stop posting in sh unless you can learn how to read sources

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024304] Source please [/QUOTE] There's sources literally all over the internet you can quickly and easily find yourself but it really shouldn't take several cited sources to tell you that people that experience or are involved in incestuous relationships often have some pretty serious self esteem and mental health issues. [quote]Legally independent people should not be told what to do and how they live their lives... especially not by the government [/quote] You wanna talk about legally, how about the fact that she legally had her kids taken away from her when they were younger. You don't also think the fact that she is her (estranged) mother has any affect on the daughters decisions

[QUOTE=BoopieDoopie2;51024355]How about we post a study thats not twenty plus years old.[/QUOTE] [url]http://scholar.colorado.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=honr_theses[/url] apologies but any other relevant articles I could find are all paywalled

[QUOTE=Vasili;51024322]This is such a non-argument, there's nothing legal about it.[/QUOTE] Yes, thats my point... it should be legal. Just as gay marriage is made legal. Its none of anyones fucking business if both people are happy, heck if all 3 or 5 or 10 of them are happy... Its not the governments business how they want to organise their relationships and with whom as long as everyone is happy and consenting. [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51024335][url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1432588[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3828862[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7850611[/url][/QUOTE] Case studies of less then 30 families, 17 on the first one, data provided by social services that intervened when shit hit the fan and studies about sexual abuse victims where victims are siblings... yea, no, i have never seen such a biassed source in my life. dont insult my intelligence please. if we get all our data on how happy marriages are from divorce counsellors and judges that specialise in divorces then marriage will be made illegal next month...

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51024346]I agree with blizzard what goes on between 2 adults who consent and understand what they are consenting to is their business its not for the state to go dictating, especially when very often the rules set by the state are inconsistent or polluted by religious dogma. Personally I don't think they should be allowed to have kids but I also believe the state should never dictate who can and can't have kids so bleh[/QUOTE] Making incest illegal isn't the result of religious dogma, it's because of the universally negative bad results incest creates - from inbreeding birth defects to mental health, manipulated abusive relationships etc. The actual source states the marriage is forced, the women in question is fucking nuts. [QUOTE=Blizzerd;51024391]Yes, thats my point... it should be legal. Just as gay marriage is made legal. Its none of anyones fucking business if both people are happy, heck if all 3 or 5 or 10 of them are happy... Its not the governments business how they want to organise their relationships and with whom as long as everyone is happy and consenting.[/QUOTE] First: can we not compare gay marriage to incestuous marriage. Second: 'none of their business' is not an argument. Third: it is the governments business, I don't see a reason as to why it wouldn't be.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;51024326]Blizzard considering the sheer influence close relatives have over each other, the fact that a person that engages in such a behaviour is most likely having issues and the fact incest is illegal even in nonblood relations (adopted child, stepsibling etc), you get into a very indefensible situation. For the record legally independent people are not told what to do by the government, as long as they live legally and not harm society.[/QUOTE] Legally independent people cannot marry their children or siblings if thats what they want to do with their lives.