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[b]Well BrQ, what is this thread for?[/b]
This is a thread to teach you how to fight. Not your school fights, but rather fights that put your life in danger.
[b]Awesome, can I learn it too or do I have to have something specific before I can start?[/b]
The only thing you need to teach yourself before you start, is to not be a fucking pussy. You do not need to be muscled, though it won't hurt if you are.
[b]Alright, but then I guess I have to practice everything a lot, right?[/b]
Depends. Some things require precision, others require that you punch someone hard enough. Practice makes perfect, but you will not always need to practice it a lot before you can do it correctly.
[b]Is this martial arts, because I tried it before and I sucked at it[/b]
It (mostly) isn't. Some things might also appear in martial arts, but to do martial arts, you have to practice just to do it correctly. Martial arts is a lot more difficult but also more effective. Here you'll learn the basics of dirty fighting. Maybe you've ever heard of Krav Maga. It's a style of fighting they teach to the IDF. It's sort of dirty fighting, except Krav Maga requires lots of practice. We'll use a few very basic Krav Maga moves. Remember that real Krav Maga is there to protect yourself and often lethally strike your enemy. Therefore some things listed here can be potentially dangerous and you should not use the techniques in school fights or something like that. People will also think you're a giant pussy. For example kicking someone's balls. Everyone here knows how it feels and it will make you unable to fight for a little while, so it's pretty effective. However, do this at school and you'll be seen as the pussy who can only kick in the balls.
[b]Dirty fighting? What's that?[/b]
As mentioned before, kicking someone in the balls is dirty. Pulling someone's hair is dirty. But who the fuck cares whether you fight clean or dirty if you are in real danger.
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[b]How the hell do you know, are you some kind of master in this?[/b]
Techniques listed here are from books, internet and experience.
[b]Alright alright I'm ready, teach me how to throw a punch to this guy because h- [/b]
Stop. This isn't how it works. You've probably heard it a zillion times, but that's because it's true: you should only use it on self defense. The best outcome of a fight is that you run away. Pussy? Who the fuck cares, you can either stay where you are and get beaten till you almost die, or you can run away and like.. you know, not get hurt. Seriously, run away if you can. Punch someone, then run away, I don't care but in the end get the fuck out of there.
[b]Sheesh fine whatever. Alright, lets have this scenario: you're getting robbed and someone is pointing a gun at you. He looks pretty weak. What's the best way to disarm him?[/b]
You can like, risk your life trying to disarm him (which will most likely fail and you'll end up dead, unless you're a professional which you're not and even then it's not worth trying). Instead, give what he wants and if he lets you go, then go. The best you can do is get his description and report it.
[b]You're a terrible teacher. I thought I was here to learn how to fight, not how to run away.[/b]
Surprise surprise, you can totally get killed by a gun or knife. Another thing that'll probably amaze you is that life is no movie. The bad guys don't always get defeated. If someone mentally challenges you to a fight, then you should be wiser than this and not accept it. Walk away. He insists? Run away if you don't want to get hurt.
[b]Whatever. Teach me whatever you can then. [/b]
Right. Lets make a sensible situation where you should actually fight.
Imagine you're walking home. Some faggot comes up and threatens you with his own bare fists. He gets closer to you and is intimidating. It's all verbal so no danger yet. He's getting closer. You should now try to talk it off, but in a different way. You should put your hands in front of you, as if you were discussing.
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See what Obama does with his hand? You should do this too, except with both hands and you should put your dominant hand a little more in front. This will make a barrier and he will not touch it if he's not willing to fight. If he's looking for a fight, he will try to breach it. If he does this, this is a sign for you to attack.
[b]Makes sense. Where you should I strike?[/b]
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[*]With the first strike you should not go for the knee. If you have a chance to kick his knees, then kick in an upward motion, with the side of your boot. If you did this correctly, he will have incredible pain and will very likely to be unable to move. This is the best chance for you to get the fuck out.
[*]But succesfully doing this is pretty hard, so you should do a different opening move. The eyes are a good target. It's almost just as simple as you've seen on cartoons. Make a 'v' with your first two fingers and 'stab' it in his eyes while keeping your fingers stiff.
[*]Another opening move could be his chin. But it's not just having a fist and striking his chin. If you will do this, you might break your fingers. Instead, with the palm of your hand, strike his chin with an upward blow.
[*]Another spot is the solar plexus. Let's have a picture of a rib cage.
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You see the place where it says 'costal angle'? That's the area you have to strike.
Here's a cool wikipedia image.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Celiac_plexus_coronal.png[/img].
There are shitload of nerves here. A good strike with the knuckle of your second finger will be incredibly painful and it might even knock him out.
The ribcage itself is also an option, but you will have to strike very hard and there's a good chance you'll break your own fingers. He will have more pain, but still it's not recommended to do it.
[*]There are a few more spots like his temple, his neck and his kidneys, but you should not do this because you could possibly kill the attacker. A medium blow could knock him out or cause extreme pain but a little more will be lethal. You're not trying to take someone's life away.
[*]Here are a few more moves that are probably not the best opening moves, but more useful after the opening move:
Breaking somone's fingers. It's not hard once you got his hand. You should pull his fingers back until it breaks. Sounds like a terrible thing to do and it is, but you're in a dangerous situation and if you don't take proper action, you'll probably be hospitalized. A man with broken fingers is unlikely to be able to fight. Such occasions are the right moment to run.
[*]Another spot is the collar bone.
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It's the part where it says 'Clavicle'. It's a pretty weak spot and should not be very hard to break. The only catch is that you can't easily reach that spot.
[*]The throat is also a great spot. Punch it, and he will not breath for a while. This is a moment where you can do anything else that I listed above and then run away.
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[*]A more terrifying thing are the ears. An ear is pretty weak and with a little force it can be ripped of your head, best done with the mouth. It's not the pain that matters here, it's the psychological effect of seeing your ear on the ground.
[*]The nose is a good spot too. You could punch it directly, or you can snap it to the side. You will not kill him by punching it.
[*]You could hit the upperlip. There are lots of nerves close to the upperlip. A good strike will cause shitloads of pain, and a better strike will sometimes even make him unconscious.
[*]Someone who has a lot of hair is in a great disadvantage. You could pull his hair, but then really really hard. You should probably not do this with someone who doesn't have a lot of hair though.
[*]And the last is the kick to the balls. Pretty straight forward. Not only men suffer from this weak spot. Even a woman can have a lot of pain when you kick it there. By bother genders this is often not enough to get someone to the ground, so you'll have to do more than this.
[b]Phew, that's a lot of reading. Now tell me what I should not do in a fight.[/b]
Sure boss.
[*]Avoid throwing a direct punch (so with your fists) to someone's face. Do it hard enough, and it will be painful for him, but also for you as you will likely break some fingers. Instead, aim for the nose or lips if you're throwing a punch.
[*]Avoid biting on someone's fingers. You can easily break someone's jaws by this. When someone is biting on your fingers, you should try to put your whole hand in his mouth. At this point he's probably trying to your hand out as he's pretty much unable to bite it. Put your fingers under his tongue and push down and sidewards. While doing this, you still have your other hand free (while your attacker is probably trying to get your first hand out of his mouth with both his hands). Hit or kick him in the balls.
[*]Avoid taking hits and not striking back. This is a very possible scenario where you're basically pinned down because he keeps striking. Not only are you getting hurt, the enemy is also probably thinking you're just a giant pussy and he will not stop until you're on the ground.
[*]Avoid trying to be put on the ground. You're in a great disadvantage here. Try to get up as fast as possible. You could try to grab some small rocks or sand if there's any on the road and throw it, aiming to his head (eyes).
[*]Avoid carrying a fucking weapon and run the fuck away if your enemy has one. By having a knife with you, you greatly increase your confidence. Think about it, when you walk down the street and you have a knife with you, some guys is clearly looking for trouble. He's larger and probably stronger than you. The thing is that when you have a knife, you are more likely to get into a fight with him because you think "I'll just pull out my knife if he gets aggresive". If you don't have a knife, you'll be more likely to go: "shit, I should be careful, that guy looks like he could eat me". The former can possibly end with you stabbing him which is [i]obviously[/i] very dangerous. Another very possible possibilty is that he actually disarms you, in which case you're severely screwed.
[*]Avoid getting in a fucking fight. Most fights can be avoided easily by verbal communication. Apologize if you did something wrong. Avoid going 'and this all happened because you did this'. You're not making anything better by saying this. Sometimes it's better for your health to say 'alright, you're right' and walk off. In a fight you could shout very loudly and intimidating.
[*]Avoid kicking to the upper body. The only places you should ever kick are his knees or his balls. A real man will always guard his balls so you should be careful. By kicking 'wrong', you will lose balance, or he will grab your leg in which case you're pretty screwed.
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[b]Right. What is a proper stance?[/b]
Too many people think the stance is not important. One of the worst possible things that could happen to you in a fight is that you lose your balance. You do not want this so you better fucking do this.
When you're not striking, you should put your legs shoulder length apart, and your arms facing forward, parallel to eachther with bend elbows. Keep your knees slightly bend and stand on the balls of your feet.
[b]What about adrenaline?[/b]
When you fight, you'll most likely be very excited, scared or afraid. With adrenaline kicking in your body, you'll usually feel a lot less pain and you will hit a shit ton harder. But you can also panic, in which case you will forget about what you just read here and use your instincts, which is often a terrible thing. Which is why you need to calm down during a fight to think clear.
[b]Obligatory final word please.[/b]
Dirty fighting is a good way to screw up your reputation, like at school. If you ever have to fight at school, don't aim to break his bones or to make him unconscious. The techniques described above are potentially very fucking dangerous and are there so that you can survive life threatening situations and run away after you did it.
Also, knocking someone out is way more dangerous than you think. If someone is out for more than 5 minutes, you should call a fucking ambulance. Seriously, if he's out for that long, he might have severe damage and you never intended to permanently disable him. It's why the spine isn't mentioned before. The spine is a very sensitive spot and you can paralyze and even kill people by hitting it.
Just remember what you're fighting for and whether it's worth fighting for it. Sometimes it's just better to be the pussy and give him whatever he wants.
If you want real professional training in dirty fighting, you should look onto Krav Maga classes if there are any available. You will be taught most of what I wrote and a lot more, and with deadly precision.
Ask your questions (please do not ask "what is the best martial arts"). Improvements and suggestions are welcome.
contributions:
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;27311639]If someone tires to strangle you, don't try to pull their arms off, it makes it worse. Instead, kick them in the balls.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=neos300;27310859]Seriously, don't try to disarm people.
I've been doing martial arts for 9 years now and I still don't really know how to disarm people.
If you absolutely have to, wrap your arm around their arm and twist, if they aren't trained they should loosen their grip.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;27312708]Always keep your hands up while trying to avoid the fight, talk with your hands and hold one out as a sort of pressure guage. If they get too close to you, you already have your hands up, just clock him with the other hand. Or elbow. I prefer elbowing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Boomslang;27313525]One thing that is good to know is if someone comes from behind or gets you in a headlock with intent to choke you put your chin to your chest. This stops them from cutting off your oxygen and allows you to get out of it. Gripping their arms trying to pull them off is useless because that grip will be tighter than some hipsters jeans. Also being choked pretty much renders you useless as you can't think straight or do much.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=killa101;27315673]I got into a fight a couple years ago and I learned that if you are being choked, a good thing to do is reach both arms over your shoulders and grab his head and then bend over quickly so he flips over your shoulder.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Taishu;27432476]- Always try to hit with the two front knuckles (index finger and middle finger) when punching. If your knuckles/wrists are too weak, use the palm of your hand. You can train your knuckles and your wrists by doing pushups on your fists. Try to balance on the knuckles you use to punch with. Never place your thumb inside your fist, it will break with the first punch.
- An uppercut to the nose isn't deadly. It's a myth that you can push the nose bone into the brain. Punching the throat however can cause the trachea to collapse, which will cause the person to suffocate.
- Punching the nose/lips is painful for your opponent, sure, however the biggest effect will probably be the psychological impact, when he sees his blood spewing everywhere. Use this moment of weakness to pacify him or run away.
- When facing multiple opponents always try to avoid getting surrounded. Keep one of your assailants between you and the rest of the attackers to ensure this.
- If grabbed by the coat or shirt with both hands there are several things you can do. One is to grab your opponents shirt near the neck with one hand and pull, while pressing (slowly) with your fist against his Adam's apple with the other hand. This will force him to let go without damaging him.
- Never underestimate a powerful low kick to the thigh with the shin. If you hit proper it can easily down an opponent and keep him from following when you escape the situation. In order to avoid getting hit with one yourself, raise your leg and protect using your shin.
- If fighting against someone using a club-like weapon, such as a bat, try to get in close. Preferably after he's taken swing at you and missed. Move in quick and wrap your arm around the arm carrying the bat. Punch/knee/elbow the attacker with your free arm and or leg until pacified.
- Never, ever, ever get into a fight against someone with a gun at all costs. Give the person all your money and run. However, if the situation is impossible to avoid, and you are forced to confront the assailant, distract him by throwing your wallet/cellphone/anything to the ground. Use this split second to move out of the way and grab hold his hand and his gun. Place your hand over the ejection port. If he manages to pull of a shot, the casing should get stuck, and the gun won't be able to fire. Most people who aren't trained in using a pistol, will have their entire finger inside the trigger guard. Use this to break his finger, by quickly twisting the gun outwards. Never ever attempt this without practising it a lot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27434105]Nobody without actual training should attempt any kick other than basic straight front kicks or backward mule kicks. The kick Taishu talked about aiming for the leg with is a Muay Thai leg kick. It isn't as simple as throwing your leg at their leg; you have to have good technique to really get power behind it.
Punching for the lips is stupid. Busted lips don't hurt during fights. I've had my lips busted plenty of times and I never even notice that they are busted until someone tells me. The only thing you're doing by going for someone's mouth is risking their teeth fucking your hand bigtime.
A tip that will save your hands and is simple is to not throw punches when the fight has gone to the ground and you're on top. Instead, drop elbows. I've seen plenty of guys go to punch whoever they are fighting while on top and break their hand from striking the ground when the other guy moved his head out of the way. If you're in a dominant position on top, drop elbows, they are much harder to dodge and it won't hurt if you miss.[/QUOTE]
If a mugger asks for your shit do what he says if you value your life.
Don't be a dick and don't aggravate people.
You'll be fine; fight avoided.
what is the best martial arts
[QUOTE=Ali Legend;27309422]If a mugger asks for your shit do what he says if you value your life.
Don't be a dick and don't aggravate people.
You'll be fine; fight avoided.[/QUOTE]
And your shit got stolen
Arm flailing!!! Lots of arm flailing!!!
If you've got someone pinned say on the ground or a lock and they really can't get out of it but are still mad as fuck, what do you do? If you let go, they're just going to go on the offensive again, but you can't walk around attacthed to them forever.
[QUOTE=killover;27309483]what is the best martial arts[/QUOTE]
There's really no such thing as the best.
All are equally good at self-defense and given a situation where they are face to face, I would bet more on skill level and stature than the martial art itself.
[QUOTE=The Combine;27309490]And your shit got stolen[/QUOTE]
Most of the muggers are carrying knifes or worse. You don't want to get stabbed for not giving him your $30.
[QUOTE=Ali Legend;27309422]If a mugger asks for your shit do what he says if you value your life.
Don't be a dick and don't aggravate people.
You'll be fine; fight avoided.[/QUOTE]
Best thing you can do in a dangerous situation
[QUOTE=Ali Legend;27309422]If a mugger asks for your shit do what he says if you value your life.
Don't be a dick and don't aggravate people.
You'll be fine; fight avoided.[/QUOTE]
Give me your PC or I'll come get you.
carry a gun.
[QUOTE=The Combine;27309490]And your shit got stolen[/QUOTE]
So you would risk your life for the $40 in your wallet?
[QUOTE=Aman V;27309620]carry a gun.[/QUOTE]
And later you shoot the mugger and you become a murderer.
Hmm...?
[QUOTE=Aman V;27309620]carry a gun.[/QUOTE]
Illegal in most places in Europe.
[QUOTE=Billiam;27309549]There's really no such thing as the best.
All are equally good at self-defense and given a situation where they are face to face, I would bet more on skill level and stature than the martial art itself.[/QUOTE]
Read last sentence in the OP.
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What if he comes at you with a pointed stick?
[quote=vistapowa;27309588]most of the muggers are carrying knifes or worse. You don't want to get stabbed for not giving him your $30.[/quote]
[b]come at me bro![/b]
[QUOTE=Greendead;27309648]And later you shoot the mugger and you become a murderer.
Hmm...?[/QUOTE]
Who said you were going to shoot him?
Detain him
[editline]9th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=BrQ;27309649]Illegal in most places in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Lol Europe you so...shitty.
[QUOTE=BrQ;27309356]
An ear is pretty weak and with a little force it can be ripped of your head, best done with the mouth. It's not the pain that matters here, it's the psychological effect of seeing your ear on the ground.
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You get in a fight and the first thing you think is to bite the fucker's ear off?
I thought it was universally known the most sensible option in a situation that could lead to a fight is to run away. You may seem like a sissy but you won't get hurt and you won't get anything stolen.
just stab that motherfucker, no need for backflips and eye jabs.
ITT: General Facepunch demographic says "lul give him everything he wants to avoid a fight :downs:"
[QUOTE=Andaeeee;27309677]What if he comes at you with a pointed stick?[/QUOTE]
Run away. Don't go for a fight, whether he has a weapon or not. A fight is only necessary if you need to get past him to escape (like if you're in a corner), or if he's faster than you. Or if he's obviously going to strike, in which case you should strike first and then then run away.
[QUOTE=Encryption;27309749]ITT: General Facepunch demographic says "lul give him everything he wants to avoid a fight :downs:"[/QUOTE]
That's not pussy-logic it's common sense.
If a guy is mugging you he's probably bigger, stronger, or armed with a knife or gun.
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;27309588]Most of the muggers are carrying knifes or worse. You don't want to get stabbed for not giving him your $30.[/QUOTE]
Who doesnt?
Carry a knife I mean.
[QUOTE=SamRinny;27309720]You get in a fight and the first thing you think is to bite the fucker's ear off?[/QUOTE]
No. It's just a possibility to end a fight quick.
This thread 'oughta be useful. I've been a tad paranoid about getting in an unavoidable fight lately. Thanks OP! :buddy:
[QUOTE=The Combine;27309799]Who doesnt?
Carry a knife I mean.[/QUOTE]
people in England. They have to be 18 and have ID to buy kitchen utensils.
Lol
What if you scream all you can in the ear of the attacker? Will he be kinda scared and would he maybe cover his ears in pain?
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