Tillerson Confirms North Korea Missile An ICBM, Calls For Global Action - Polidicks

[url]http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/03/535453743/north-koreas-latest-missile-test-prompts-a-tweeted-response-from-trump[/url] [U][B]Tillerson Confirms North Korea Missile An ICBM, Calls For Global Action[/B][/U] [QUOTE] [B]Secretary of State Rex Tillerson confirmed Tuesday that the missile launched by North Korea on Monday was an intercontinental ballistic missile[/B], in a statement in which he condemned the test. "Testing an ICBM represents a new escalation of the threat to the United States, our allies and partners, the region, and the world," Tillerson said. In response to the test, U.S. and South Korean forces conducted joint military exercises aimed at "countering North Korea's destabilizing and unlawful actions on July 4," according to a statement issued by the U.S. Army. [/QUOTE] Mods gave me permission to make a new thread due to the updated classification from the US as the missile being an ICBM.

genuinely curious if i will be right, ICBM's are serious shit and a country that has no friends can go wild with it [QUOTE=Wii60;52379160]i expect NK to be in a crater within a month i mean, trump shot 60 missles at syria over a gas attack. having a american die due to NK is gonna probably cause bigger shit to fly.[/QUOTE]

Unless Trump pulls something unpredictable, I doubt much is going to happen still. NK will happily sit on their nukes and further cement their authoritarian regime.

#FuckNorthKorea

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52433209]Unless Trump pulls something unpredictable, I doubt much is going to happen still. NK will happily sit on their nukes and further cement their authoritarian regime.[/QUOTE] The sad fact of the matter is that chances are nothing will happen until [I]after [/I]North Korea does some serious damage to another country. World leaders seem content to let them do whatever they want short of fucking with another country on a large scale due to various circumstances.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52433209]Unless Trump pulls something unpredictable, I doubt much is going to happen still. NK will happily sit on their nukes and further cement their authoritarian regime.[/QUOTE] A) America and global friends tackle NK together, some innocents in NK and possibly SK will be hurt by crossfire but NK would become a crater. We will have to deal with refugee situations and how to deal with reunification of NK and SK along with other hard topics. B) we wait and pretend NK aint gonna do anything till one day we wake up noticing Samsung/LG/etc. and half of Seoul is gone with one ICBM nuke. there will be a ton of death and the worldwide tech market in general will be massively permamently stunted due to alot of SK companies pushing the frontier in that department vanishing. Then we do A) anyway because its the only proper response to that.

The UN has condemned it, don't worry. I'm sure NK will care.

I love how Trump's tweet is him egging on China to basically "maybe do something about it", I mean it's not like the countries most at threat by NK are very (if not the most) important economic and influential American allies in the region. [QUOTE=Wii60;52433290]A) America and global friends tackle NK together, some innocents in NK and possibly SK will be hurt by crossfire but NK would become a crater. We will have to deal with refugee situations and how to deal with reunification of NK and SK along with other hard topics. B) we wait and pretend NK aint gonna do anything till one day we wake up noticing Samsung/LG/etc. and half of Seoul is gone with one ICBM nuke. there will be a ton of death and the worldwide tech market in general will be massively permamently stunted due to alot of SK companies pushing the frontier in that department vanishing. Then we do A) anyway because its the only proper response to that.[/QUOTE] Except it's not just "some innocents", even without nukes NK still has enough artillery to completely level Seoul and there's no way of attacking them before they're able to use their artillery. It's a shitty situation but SK is completely hostage to NK and there's nothing anyone can do besides hope that they don't ever actually do it. We can't be sure that NK will actually ever nuke anyone either, they might, or it's all just dickwaving, MAD affects them just as it does any other nuclear country, they're not gonna nuke anyone unless they want to get nuked themselves, but one thing we can be sure of is that attacking them WILL trigger a devastating attack on SK and I doubt anyone wants to be the one that triggered it.

[QUOTE=Orkel;52433311]The UN has condemned it, don't worry. I'm sure NK will care.[/QUOTE] the UN condemned it but the security council still hasn't said anything. remember, the UN can't do shit unless the security council approves

Bullshit there's no way to attack them before they use artillery; the US has more than enough stealth bombers to level every major military position in the country before they even know what's happening even [I]without[/I] a nuke. Plus, a nuke going off in Seoul is gonna do much worse than artillery. I'm pretty certain the main thing stopping us from doing this is the absolutely massive amount of refugees suddenly flooding South Korea and putting an extreme strain on their economy, in addition to China getting pissed about having a close US ally sharing a border with them.

[QUOTE=Wii60;52433290]A) America and global friends tackle NK together, some innocents in NK and possibly SK will be hurt by crossfire but NK would become a crater. We will have to deal with refugee situations and how to deal with reunification of NK and SK along with other hard topics. B) we wait and pretend NK aint gonna do anything till one day we wake up noticing Samsung/LG/etc. and half of Seoul is gone with one ICBM nuke. there will be a ton of death and the worldwide tech market in general will be massively permamently stunted due to alot of SK companies pushing the frontier in that department vanishing. Then we do A) anyway because its the only proper response to that.[/QUOTE] OR: C) Neither NK nor anybody else nukes anyone because it's not in either party's interest to reignite the conflict. The NK regime, having its own survival as the #1 priority, doesn't start a fight it knows it can't win but instead sits safe with their nukes and lets their rot of a country continue to fester for untold decades to come.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52433414]Bullshit there's no way to attack them before they use artillery; the US has more than enough stealth bombers to level every major military position in the country before they even know what's happening even [I]without[/I] a nuke.[/QUOTE] There's a problem with that. We don't know where their artillery is, NK might be a small country but it's still a big enough and very forested place to hide artillery in. Back some years ago when their fired artillery on SK, SK was only able to respond when their counter battery radar was used, we don't know where they are until they fire. Even if you somehow manage to map all of their positions, they can easily just pick up and move off, hell, it's probably something they already do routinely every day just in case they are being mapped.

Nothing will happen. Same shit different year.

NPR on the radio said that in response, the US & South Korea have fired missiles into North Korea's territorial waters. I don't think the US/SK have ever responded to NK like that before :worried:

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52433545]Bullshit US has so many stealth bombers- sheer scale doesnt match. Stealth bombers can deliver only limited amounts of payload. Even with normal bombers, knocking out NK is impossible in several hours, or 24, or 48. [editline]5th July 2017[/editline] There is no good military action against NK. Diplomacy is the only way to win - striking is defeat, only question is the scale of it.[/QUOTE] Diplomacy is a great idea, has been working fantastic with NK since, well, forever. I'm sure it will work even better once they develop working, reliable missiles to point at countries farther and farther away from Pyongyang.

An ICBM from NK with 4500mi range could reach South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Myanmar, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Indonesia, East Timor, Papua New Guinea, one of the Solomon Islands, Palau, Guam, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Australia (Northern coast including Darwin), Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, a small part of Iran, all of Russia east of the Ural Mountains and of course the western half of Alaska. Neat!

What diplomacy can you have with a psychopath disconnected from reality

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;52433582]An ICBM from NK with 4500mi range could reach South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Myanmar, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Indonesia, East Timor, Papua New Guinea, one of the Solomon Islands, Palau, Guam, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Australia (Northern coast including Darwin), Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, a small part of Iran, all of Russia east of the Ural Mountains and of course the western half of Alaska. Neat![/QUOTE] thank you new zealand for being both immensely far away and entirely irrelevant on the global scale!

Kim is pure evil but he isn't stupid. He's letting us know he has ICBMs for the same reason he built them and why everyone else builds them, deterrent. Kim has no reason to start a war, he knows he'll lose.

We either do something or they'll continue down this path of nuclear armaments, possibly encouraging Japan and South Korea to do the same. This is sending a clear message to every country in the world: No one will stop you if you pursue a nuclear weapon program.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52433600]Kim is pure evil but he isn't stupid. He's letting us know he has ICBMs for the same reason he built them and why everyone else builds them, deterrent. Kim has no reason to start a war, he knows he'll lose.[/QUOTE] You underestimate the disconnect from reality among the Nork Government They legit think they can take the US on, and are building nukes to inflate that image. We don't know what he'll do with ICBM's because they haven't officially had them until roughly now. It's a guessing game now.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52433515]NPR on the radio said that in response, the US & South Korea have fired missiles into North Korea's territorial waters. I don't think the US/SK have ever responded to NK like that before :worried:[/QUOTE] I am having trouble sourcing this..

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52433600]Kim is pure evil but he isn't stupid. He's letting us know he has ICBMs for the same reason he built them and why everyone else builds them, deterrent. Kim has no reason to start a war, he knows he'll lose.[/QUOTE] ... unless internal forces causes the government to start losing power and Un has his remaining loyalists launch a nuke at SK or Japan as one last action.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;52433373]I love how Trump's tweet is him egging on China to basically "maybe do something about it", I mean it's not like the countries most at threat by NK are very (if not the most) important economic and influential American allies in the region. Except it's not just "some innocents", even without nukes NK still has enough artillery to completely level Seoul and there's no way of attacking them before they're able to use their artillery. It's a shitty situation but SK is completely hostage to NK and there's nothing anyone can do besides hope that they don't ever actually do it. We can't be sure that NK will actually ever nuke anyone either, they might, or it's all just dickwaving, MAD affects them just as it does any other nuclear country, they're not gonna nuke anyone unless they want to get nuked themselves, but one thing we can be sure of is that attacking them WILL trigger a devastating attack on SK and I doubt anyone wants to be the one that triggered it.[/QUOTE]Most of the North's artillery is out of range of Seoul from the border, even with rocket-assisted rounds. Of the ones that can (specifically the Koksan), calling it mobile would be a bit generous; the emplacements designed for it can be seen quite clearly in satellite photos. Got plenty of conventional well-tested Soviet-era ballistic missiles though, so it's basically the choosing between anthrax or cholera.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;52433676]I am having trouble sourcing this..[/QUOTE] As am I, though it was said on the radio here just a few hours ago.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52433747]As am I, though it was said on the radio here just a few hours ago.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bradyns;52433676]I am having trouble sourcing this..[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/05/u-s-army-launches-missile-response/450531001/[/url] ?

I feel like at this point it's a job for the CIA, not the military.

A preemptive strike on North Korea will legitimise their having a nuclear programme as a foundation to their survival as a regime and a country. Removing a country's leader because we don't like them hasn't exactly produced good outcomes in recent history.

"Because we don't like them" and "because they are a very real and active threat that now has nuclear ICBMs" are two very different things.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52433545]Bullshit US has so many stealth bombers- sheer scale doesnt match. Stealth bombers can deliver only limited amounts of payload. Even with normal bombers, knocking out NK is impossible in several hours, or 24, or 48. [editline]5th July 2017[/editline] There is no good military action against NK. Diplomacy is the only way to win - striking is defeat, only question is the scale of it.[/QUOTE] Are Submarines chopped liver now or what?