Writer of comics reboot reveals Wonder Woman is gay - Polidicks

[quote=Tampa Bay Times] The writer of the reborn Wonder Woman comics has revealed that the character is gay. Greg Rucka tells Comicosity that because Wonder Woman comes from the fictional all-female island nation of Themyscira, she "has been in love and had relationships with other women."[/quote] [quote][I]And when you start to think about giving the concept of Themyscira its due, the answer is, "How can they not all be in same sex relationships?" Right? It makes no logical sense otherwise. It's supposed to be paradise. You're supposed to be able to live happily. You're supposed to be able — in a context where one can live happily, and part of what an individual needs for that happiness is to have a partner — to have a fulfilling, romantic and sexual relationship. And the only options are women. But an Amazon doesn't look at another Amazon and say, "You're gay." They don't. The concept doesn't exist. Now, are we saying Diana has been in love and had relationships with other women? As Nicola and I approach it, the answer is obviously yes.[/I][/quote] [img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/wonderwoman2_18085794_8col_zpsbauyfvky.jpg[/img] [url=http://www.tampabay.com/features/popculture/writer-of-comics-reboot-reveals-wonder-woman-is-gay/2295980]Source[/url]. [url=http://www.comicosity.com/exclusive-interview-greg-rucka-on-queer-narrative-and-wonder-woman/]The original interview[/url]. I wonder if this is a response to the negative backlash of Superman and Wonder Woman being a couple in New 52.

DC clarified she's bisexual after this and more specifically the shit Rucka is going on about he probably just got from Wonder Woman Earth One which released a few months ago, but uh, in any event, is anyone REALLY surprised? I mean shit im pretty sure she's been at least implied to be doing chicks in other comics for quite awhile now.

She's had different relationships with different people over different iterations of her story. Steve Trevor, Superman, Batman, etc. Wonder Woman is a very cool character as a general concept, and the lore behind her and Themyscira has always been interesting to me. This is not a change that fundamentally alters who or what Wonder Woman is supposed to be, nor does it fundamentally alter the nature of Themyscira. It's an island of women magically endowed with eternal life, strength, and resilience by the Greek gods themselves. In some iterations, Wonder Woman was literally sculpted by clay and given life by Zeus, in others she is the daughter of Hades. She has warred with literal Gods. So, like, who really cares whether or not she has a romantic preference for one sex over the other? Or both? Or if she's sexualized at all? It's not the point of her character.

I guess this could be a case of Steven Universe where it's "Well of course she's homosexual, everyone is a girl where she comes from" but the clarification that she's bi would explain the past 75 years of relationship with men in various media.

I'm surprised she wasn't revealed to be gay sooner. It's so obvious when you look at her background and where she's from. She's Greek after all

woman that lives on amazon woman island is attracted to women who knew (bi makes more sense tho)

Well when your society is women only and you live eternally, you would want to try anything.

Coo'.

Okay real talk, hardcore hot and heavy with Power Girl when.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51135080]She's had different relationships with different people over different iterations of her story. Steve Trevor, Superman, Batman, etc. Wonder Woman is a very cool character as a general concept, and the lore behind her and Themyscira has always been interesting to me. This is not a change that fundamentally alters who or what Wonder Woman is supposed to be, nor does it fundamentally alter the nature of Themyscira. It's an island of women magically endowed with eternal life, strength, and resilience by the Greek gods themselves. In some iterations, Wonder Woman was literally sculpted by clay and given life by Zeus, in others she is the daughter of Hades. She has warred with literal Gods. So, like, who really cares whether or not she has a romantic preference for one sex over the other? Or both? Or if she's sexualized at all? It's not the point of her character.[/QUOTE] Did Wonder Woman x Batman ever actually take? In all the media I saw, Batman was always too emotionally distant and dedicated to the job to ever have a serious relationship with anybody. Especially Wonder Woman. One of the recurring themes in Batman's fiction is him pushing everybody away out of a misguided worldview. Also yeah, bi, straight, gay, whatever. As long as she still kicks ass.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51135080] So, like, who really cares whether or not she has a romantic preference for one sex over the other? Or both? Or if she's sexualized at all? It's not the point of her character.[/QUOTE] Last time I checked, WW was originally designed to be a bit of a fetishistic fantasy. The guy who created the character was way into rope bondage and wrote out the character around it. [img]http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wwupanel4ww13.jpg[/img] [img]http://data3.whicdn.com/images/8067363/original.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.barbieturix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/doyo6ab7kllt8j2aluib.jpg[/img] [img]http://9p5z91rxsag1usgoc1ctvupb.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wonder-woman-sensation-31.jpeg[/img]

[QUOTE=KnightLight;51135654]Last time I checked, WW was originally designed to be a bit of a fetishistic fantasy. The guy who created the character was way into rope bondage and wrote out the character around it. [img]http://9p5z91rxsag1usgoc1ctvupb.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wonder-woman-sensation-31.jpeg[/img][/QUOTE] Wonder Woman is being spanked by a baby, in front of a crowd babies, and winking at me. I need an adult.

Did the creator have a feeder fetish too? [t]http://36.media.tumblr.com/d239971160688460cd11fb54b63d4439/tumblr_mrw82rcLCE1r24hxpo1_1280.png[/t] [t]http://dccomicsmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Etta_Candy_02.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;51135668]Did the creator have a feeder fetish too? [t]http://36.media.tumblr.com/d239971160688460cd11fb54b63d4439/tumblr_mrw82rcLCE1r24hxpo1_1280.png[/t] [t]http://dccomicsmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Etta_Candy_02.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Moulton_Marston]Marston also invented the Lie Detector. I'm not joking.[/url] And holy shit he had a multi-person marriage between two women at once. Man this guy is quite the character, someone should make a comic about HIM. EDIT: Yeah, reading up on the guy, he was all about sexual progressiveness and wanted to use comics as a way to condition people to be more open and accepting of it. I guess that also meant exploring various fetishes. Wonder Woman in the end, as it turns out, was all about sexuality from the beginning. EDIT: Also more on-topic, having WW be Bi makes more sense to me. I mean, just imagine you've eaten nothing but clams your whole life, then here comes a sausage and you're all 'Ooh whats this it looks good' then you try it and you're all "DAMN I NEED SOME OF THIS WITH MY CLAMS"

tbh I'm like cool and all with just randomly making characters X sexuality but I wish it stopped being news. Like, I want to see LGBT become so normal and casual that they make a version of Captain America thats gay but no one even really notices. It's just like "oh hey thats a pretty good love interest pick!" The more I think about it the more I realize that making an old character have a different sexuality shouldn't be considered anything more than water under the bridge. It's not who you fuck that matters, its how you f[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0vdbxqnYis"]u[/URL]ck that matters. I hereby conclude that wonderwoman should be top or else I call bad writing.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51135846]tbh I'm like cool and all with just randomly making characters X sexuality but I wish it stopped being news. Like, I want to see LGBT become so normal and casual that they make a version of Captain America thats gay but no one even really notices. It's just like "oh hey thats a pretty good love interest pick!" The more I think about it the more I realize that making an old character have a different sexuality shouldn't be considered anything more than water under the bridge. It's not who you fuck that matters, its how you f[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0vdbxqnYis"]u[/URL]ck that matters. I hereby conclude that wonderwoman should be top or else I call bad writing.[/QUOTE] Ah, but lots of powerful people like to be able to switch that out in the bedroom, so maybe she'd like being in bottom. (It's why places that provide a Dominatrix service have such confidential clientele lists, as they're often powerful people looking to be treated like shit)

[QUOTE=KnightLight;51135654]Last time I checked, WW was originally designed to be a bit of a fetishistic fantasy. The guy who created the character was way into rope bondage and wrote out the character around it. [img]http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wwupanel4ww13.jpg[/img] [img]http://data3.whicdn.com/images/8067363/original.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.barbieturix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/doyo6ab7kllt8j2aluib.jpg[/img] [img]http://9p5z91rxsag1usgoc1ctvupb.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wonder-woman-sensation-31.jpeg[/img][/QUOTE] Dude holy shit what the fuck

I did not need to see those images. They were not what I expected. Remind me never to go into a comic book thread again.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51135846]It's not who you fuck that matters, its how you f[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0vdbxqnYis"]u[/URL]ck that matters. I hereby conclude that wonderwoman should be top or else I call bad writing.[/QUOTE] Unless you got a source where Wonder Woman is quoted for saying something like "I like being aggressive in bed," I'm going to assume your "bad writing" comment means you have no idea how kink works.

[QUOTE=KnightLight;51135654]Last time I checked, WW was originally designed to be a bit of a fetishistic fantasy. The guy who created the character was way into rope bondage and wrote out the character around it. [img]http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wwupanel4ww13.jpg[/img] [img]http://data3.whicdn.com/images/8067363/original.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.barbieturix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/doyo6ab7kllt8j2aluib.jpg[/img] [img]http://9p5z91rxsag1usgoc1ctvupb.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wonder-woman-sensation-31.jpeg[/img][/QUOTE] Ye, some pretty goofy/odd shit in her early days, but modern WW is a badass.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51136365]Ye, some pretty goofy/odd shit in her early days, but modern WW is a badass.[/QUOTE] A slightly kinky superhero sounds more badass than what we got now tbh

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51136447]A slightly kinky superhero sounds more badass than what we got now tbh[/QUOTE] Sounds like you need some Mister Miracle in your life. [img]https://texcap.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/mister-miracle_1024x768.jpg[/img]

i have a question for comic readers is a character's sexual preference or romantic interest or the romantic stories of super heroes really all that interesting? it's important in spiderman, for example, because peter has a lot of conflicts between his super hero life and his personal life with mary jane or stacy gwen or whoever. superman has lois lane, of course. but those are, i dunno, "anchors" for what makes those characters do what they do. both of those guys have this dual personality/dual life problem and a love interest is what sets that in motion. but are there a lot of super heroes where their love life and sexuality actually really matter or make the story any more interesting? wonder woman being gay or bi not only isn't new at all, but i also can't even imagine wonder woman sticking to a relationship. and the fact that she either sucks dick or eats pussy doesn't really add anything to what she is or what she does or how she lives her life. she has no relationship struggles, and writing any would make her boring. are these writers just stuck writing characters that have already been well fleshed out that they're inventing new ways to flesh them out? kind of rambling here but i hope i got my point across. i'm genuinely curious if comic readers actually give a shit about any of this or if its just more tumblrite pandering.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51136522]i have a question for comic readers is a character's sexual preference or romantic interest or the romantic stories of super heroes really all that interesting? it's important in spiderman, for example, because peter has a lot of conflicts between his super hero life and his personal life with mary jane or stacy gwen or whoever. superman has lois lane, of course. but those are, i dunno, "anchors" for what makes those characters do what they do. both of those guys have this dual personality/dual life problem and a love interest is what sets that in motion. but are there a lot of super heroes where their love life and sexuality actually really matter or make the story any more interesting? wonder woman being gay or bi not only isn't new at all, but i also can't even imagine wonder woman sticking to a relationship. and the fact that she either sucks dick or eats pussy doesn't really add anything to what she is or what she does or how she lives her life. she has no relationship struggles, and writing any would make her boring. are these writers just stuck writing characters that have already been well fleshed out that they're inventing new ways to flesh them out? kind of rambling here but i hope i got my point across. i'm genuinely curious if comic readers actually give a shit about any of this or if its just more tumblrite pandering.[/QUOTE] I mean, relationships are a basic part of the human experience. Comic plotlines, like any other well-told story, should incorporate the human element. Personal and social conflict are arguably just as important as the external conflict provided by villains and disasters. It's not all punching bad guys -- the relationships (romantic and platonic alike) between characters, and the internal conflicts they may face as a result of those relationships (or of their expectations of themselves, their fears of the things they cannot control, etc) play an important role in giving life and depth to a story. As far as "rewriting" an already fleshed out character, this happens pretty regularly. DC reboots its own universe quite frequently between different comic lines, shows, movies, etc. Relationships change, origins change, powers might be a little different, the people who have the powers might be different, etc.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51136522]i have a question for comic readers is a character's sexual preference or romantic interest or the romantic stories of super heroes really all that interesting? it's important in spiderman, for example, because peter has a lot of conflicts between his super hero life and his personal life with mary jane or stacy gwen or whoever. superman has lois lane, of course. but those are, i dunno, "anchors" for what makes those characters do what they do. both of those guys have this dual personality/dual life problem and a love interest is what sets that in motion. but are there a lot of super heroes where their love life and sexuality actually really matter or make the story any more interesting? wonder woman being gay or bi not only isn't new at all, but i also can't even imagine wonder woman sticking to a relationship. and the fact that she either sucks dick or eats pussy doesn't really add anything to what she is or what she does or how she lives her life. she has no relationship struggles, and writing any would make her boring. are these writers just stuck writing characters that have already been well fleshed out that they're inventing new ways to flesh them out? kind of rambling here but i hope i got my point across. i'm genuinely curious if comic readers actually give a shit about any of this or if its just more tumblrite pandering.[/QUOTE] well you see, it allows fans to sexualise, self insert and ship to their heart's content

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51136564]As far as "rewriting" an already fleshed out character, this happens pretty regularly. [/QUOTE] i don't really see why this is ok but i also don't get why mixed universes are ok either so maybe super hero comics are just out of my grasp of understanding here. when i think of fleshing out the human element of wonder woman i think about that comic where, when everything is wrapped up, she basically teaches a small child that she can do and be as strong as she wants. and then she joins her in a kid's game. i don't ever really think of wonder woman and think "i wonder if she's going to struggle with who she's kissing today". from what i understand she also has a relationship with batman for a while? but even that is boring to me. it kind of reminds me of greek mythology with the gods and goddesses hooking up, but it's far less interesting than that. but also i guess i'm repulsed by the idea that wonder woman and batman would exist in the same universe because it causes a whole slew of narrative problems and issues with characters/stories standing on their own in their own self contained universes etc. so that doesn't help. i guess really when it comes down to it i care way less with what or who they're kissing and making a big drama bomb out of it. a lot of super heroes have also gone through a whole truck load of men and women they've been in love with throughout the years of story writing, so maybe its lost its flare with me and my basic comic knowledge, like who they're in a relationship with and whether they're gay or not doesn't even matter at this point.

[QUOTE=KnightLight;51135654]Last time I checked, WW was originally designed to be a bit of a fetishistic fantasy. The guy who created the character was way into rope bondage and wrote out the character around it. [img]http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wwupanel4ww13.jpg[/img] [img]http://data3.whicdn.com/images/8067363/original.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.barbieturix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/doyo6ab7kllt8j2aluib.jpg[/img] [img]http://9p5z91rxsag1usgoc1ctvupb.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wonder-woman-sensation-31.jpeg[/img][/QUOTE] death by snoo snoo

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51136581]i don't really see why this is ok but i also don't get why mixed universes are ok either so maybe super hero comics are just out of my grasp of understanding here. when i think of fleshing out the human element of wonder woman i think about that comic where, when everything is wrapped up, she basically teaches a small child that she can do and be as strong as she wants. and then she joins her in a kid's game. i don't ever really think of wonder woman and think "i wonder if she's going to struggle with who she's kissing today". from what i understand she also has a relationship with batman for a while? but even that is boring to me. it kind of reminds me of greek mythology with the gods and goddesses hooking up, but it's far less interesting than that. but also i guess i'm repulsed by the idea that wonder woman and batman would exist in the same universe because it causes a whole slew of narrative problems and issues with characters/stories standing on their own in their own self contained universes etc. so that doesn't help. i guess really when it comes down to it i care way less with what or who they're kissing and making a big drama bomb out of it. a lot of super heroes have also gone through a whole truck load of men and women they've been in love with throughout the years of story writing, so maybe its lost its flare with me and my basic comic knowledge, like who they're in a relationship with and whether they're gay or not doesn't even matter at this point.[/QUOTE] It's not as if it's pointless. In the Injustice plotline, Superman goes mad with grief after the Joker tricks him into murdering Lois Lane, the love of his life -- along with their unborn child. An enraged Superman kills the Joker in vengeance, and decides that the only way to achieve true peace is to stop showing mercy. He instates himself as the dictator of the world, killing anybody who stands against him, and uses his power and influence to unify heroes and villains beneath his rule. They violently crush crime and dissent. Or in the Flashpoint Paradox, where the entire world is thrown into war and chaos because an affair between Wonder Woman and Aquaman turned deadly when WW murdered his wife after being confronted. Aquaman plunges most of the world beneath the seas, killing billions, and the Amazons and Atlanteans war for what remains of it. Etc, etc. Relationships in comic books play the same role as relationships in any other type of story. Like I said, it's not just punching bad guys. Heroes don't quietly walk around doing good deeds while they wait for villains to get up to no good, they live their lives. Also, [B]what?[/B] [quote]i guess i'm repulsed by the idea that wonder woman and batman would exist in the same universe because it causes a whole slew of narrative problems and issues with characters/stories standing on their own in their own self contained universes etc. so that doesn't help. [/quote] How does this cause problems and/or repulse you? The DC universe isn't isolated. Batman and Wonder Woman exist in the same world, fight on the same team, even engage some of the same threats. What you need to fundamentally understand about the DC universe is that magic is real, gods are real, time travel is real, alternate dimensions are real, ghosts are real, the undead are real, etc, etc. Magic and the supernatural play huge recurring roles. Batman fights supernatural enemies. Solomon Grundy is a zombie. Ra's al Ghul was essentially given eternal life thanks to magical wellsprings called Lazarus Pits. Clayface is the result of superscience, but he is literally a giant lump of sentient clay.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51136593]And it's not as if it's pointless, either. In the Injustice plotline, Superman goes mad with grief after the Joker tricks him into murdering Lois Lane, the love of his life -- along with their unborn child. An enraged Superman kills the Joker in vengeance, and decides that the only way to achieve true peace is to stop showing mercy. He instates himself as the dictator of the world, killing anybody who stands against him, and uses his power and influence to pull unify heroes and villains beneath his rule. They violently crime and dissent. Or in the Flashpoint Paradox, where the entire world is thrown into war and chaos because an affair between Wonder Woman and Aquaman turned deadly when WW murdered his wife after being confronted. Aquaman plunges most of the world beneath the seas, killing billions, and the Amazons and Atlanteans war for what remains of it. Etc, etc. Relationships in comic books play the same role as relationships in any other type of story. Like I said, it's not just punching bad guys. Heroes don't quietly walk around doing good deeds while they wait for villains to get to no good, they live normal lives.[/QUOTE] yeah i get that. i mean, i already gave superman as an example because lois lane is a part of superman as a character just as much as superman himself. but, ok, if DC announced aquaman wasn't grieving over his lost wife, but was actually grieving over his lost husband, how much does this change a god damn thing? it's superficial. i guess you can say "representation of gays!" but, like, what if aquaman wasn't originally gay? you're just forcing a gay skin on a not gay thing, and then wiping your hands and calling it a day. it's lazy and boring. i get that a lot of it has to do with pandering but do superhero comic readers actually give a shit about this? is whether wonder woman is bi, gay, gender queer, identify as purple haired robot, etc actually engaging to the normal readers? i thought marvel lost a lot of money on pandering so why is this still a thing?

[QUOTE=TheJoey;51136522]i have a question for comic readers is a character's sexual preference or romantic interest or the romantic stories of super heroes really all that interesting? it's important in spiderman, for example, because peter has a lot of conflicts between his super hero life and his personal life with mary jane or stacy gwen or whoever. superman has lois lane, of course. but those are, i dunno, "anchors" for what makes those characters do what they do. both of those guys have this dual personality/dual life problem and a love interest is what sets that in motion. but are there a lot of super heroes where their love life and sexuality actually really matter or make the story any more interesting? wonder woman being gay or bi not only isn't new at all, but i also can't even imagine wonder woman sticking to a relationship. and the fact that she either sucks dick or eats pussy doesn't really add anything to what she is or what she does or how she lives her life. she has no relationship struggles, and writing any would make her boring. are these writers just stuck writing characters that have already been well fleshed out that they're inventing new ways to flesh them out? kind of rambling here but i hope i got my point across. i'm genuinely curious if comic readers actually give a shit about any of this or if its just more tumblrite pandering.[/QUOTE] As dumb as it sounds, it does make things more interesting for some people. I wasn't much into comics but tried reading this once I found out that there were hints towards Harley and Poison Ivy being a thing: [IMG]http://thumbs2.picclick.com/d/l400/pict/172340698737_/Harley-and-Ivy-NM-Graphic-Novel-Paperback-Paul.jpg[/IMG] Its not because I thought it was sexy, more so it was interesting to me (and really cute).