Why be happy? ("Happiness is a moral obligation"). - General

[video=youtube;_Zxnw0l499g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zxnw0l499g[/video] I think this is a very important message to everyone. Never act solely based on your emotional state.

I don't want to sound like the cynic here, but it seems to just ramble on with nebulous concepts of "moral obligation". Don't get me wrong, Golden Rule and all and its good that it seems to be passing the emotional maturity message. But it just strikes me as "10 Easy Steps To Improve Your Life!"

it's almost impossible to "act" happy if you're suffering from depression. it takes a severe toll on you to put on a charade that only drains you even more. it's not healthy [editline]6th June 2016[/editline] i agree with what the video is saying though, about happiness being contagious

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;50469450]I don't want to sound like the cynic here, but it seems to just ramble on with nebulous concepts of "moral obligation". Don't get me wrong, Golden Rule and all and its good that it seems to be passing the emotional maturity message. But it just strikes me as "10 Easy Steps To Improve Your Life!"[/QUOTE] To be fair, I do see your thinking there with the "10 Easy steps to improve". Honestly, when I saw the title of this video and started watching it, I thought it would be like those. However, this one made so much more sense to me, and has been explained in such a way of, like you said, emotional maturity. I really don't think it is a concept to be ignored. You make a fair point though. [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=NixNax123;50469468]it's almost impossible to "act" happy if you're suffering from depression. it takes a severe toll on you to put on a charade that only drains you even more. it's not healthy [editline]6th June 2016[/editline] i agree with what the video is saying though, about happiness being contagious[/QUOTE] We have an obligation for ourselves to be happy, and whether you have depression or not, happiness is still some what in your control (through going to get the right help for example). You're right, it is almost impossible to act happy with depression. Depression is obviously a more extreme case. I think that this video was speaking more generally. However, I think that if someone with depression watched this video, they could apply its logic to help/encourage them to get themselves help, and get better efficiently.

This whole thing falls apart as soon as you start dealing with hardcore psychopaths and narcissists. It's generally a good guideline to at least appear to be happy, but there are plenty of situations where it does not do you any good, and may actively harm you.

What does being happy physically look like? I just see it as what you feel, not what you show. I'm a stoic motherfucker (when I'm not laughing) I could be happy or depressed.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50469589]This whole thing falls apart as soon as you start dealing with hardcore psychopaths and narcissists. It's generally a good guideline to at least appear to be happy, but there are plenty of situations where it does not do you any good, and may actively harm you.[/QUOTE] That is exactly what this video is trying to do. It's just a brief and good outline to why being happy is something which holds a moral value to yourself and others, and encouraging it. The purpose of this video probably was not to take into consideration all the complexities such as narcissists. I personally find this useful. I think people need to not take it so literally. For example, depressed people, of course you cannot act happy. But you are still in control of whether you will be happy in future or not, through getting the right help. It's just a basic video, it's not there to explain the complexities.

whats with the influx of terrible videos from this terrible youtube

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50469612]What does being happy physically look like? I just see it as what you feel, not what you show. I'm a stoic motherfucker (when I'm not laughing) I could be happy or depressed.[/QUOTE] I see what you mean. I guess this may refer to your general demeanor, or simply stating that you're happy, not pouring your issues onto everyone etc. I agree with you though, emotion is very subjective, and though there are general perceptions as to what an emotion "looks like", there is no definite answer.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50469612]What does being happy physically look like? I just see it as what you feel, not what you show. I'm a stoic motherfucker (when I'm not laughing) I could be happy or depressed.[/QUOTE] Same here. My appearance is basically neutral no matter how happy I am, up until a really high tipping point of enjoyment where I just lose my shit and look like a madman. It was fucking annoying when I went to Melbourne with my parents because I kept getting chewed out for not being visibly excited For sadness however my face is a perfect sliding scale, there's probably a formula out there that could figure out my negative state by multiplying the frown radius by eyebrow separation ^ 2

This is kinda just bullshit though Like I understand the whole parenting thing - that's a whole different set of rules, given that you are, for the majority of the day, the key role model for your children. But in terms of living a healthy adult life it's so [I]not[/I] healthy to force yourself to act happy the entire time and totally brush aside any thoughts of expressing discontent, disappointment, sadness, etc. I've spent the majority of my life pretending to be happy, doing the whole 'no I'm fine honest' act, and it's absolutely not good for you. It's not good for your relationships, it's not good for your friendships, and it's not good for your own health. [URL="https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_listening_to_shame?language=en"]Vulnerability[/URL] is where genuine interpersonal relationships are forged, and you can't be vulnerable with people if you're always dancing around pretending your world is made of daisies and rainbows. Pretending to be happy is bullshit - honesty is where it's at. If other people have got themselves to a point where they're automatically sympathetically taking on the emotions of others, that's their problem, not yours. [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] Obviously if you're moaning to other people 24/7 nobody is going to want to spend time with you. You have to have the sense to know when it's appropriate to complain or seek comfort or whatever and when it's not appropriate. Ration your baggage out amongst many people instead of dumping it on one person, etc.

This guy is morally obligated to jerk me off as far as I'm concerned

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50469612]What does being happy physically look like? I just see it as what you feel, not what you show. I'm a stoic motherfucker (when I'm not laughing) I could be happy or depressed.[/QUOTE] I've had people worry that there's something wrong with me if I'm just sitting around pondering or not actually smiling in person. Sometimes I feel like I'd be smiling on the outside and people say, "woah, you look pissed" or "what's wrong"? There's a lot of shows that I'll watch and enjoy, like the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and stuff, without laughing the entire way through and probably not even smiling on the outside. But I smile and enjoy the show on the inside. I think happiness is both short-term and longer-term. In the long term, it's an overall net value of how much time you spend feeling content over feeling discontent. I think it's important to make the distinction, because sometimes people (like a younger me) would feel alienated for not attaining perfect happiness at all times, which would lead to a downward spiral of depression. What I wish people would do more is express that it's okay to be sad or upset sometimes. It's okay to be broken up every now and then. As long as you progress towards happiness and maintain yourself enough I'd say you are a happy person. On the shorter term, I think it can be contained. A soldier who does not make a smile does not mean he's not happy for his promotion. A man who does not smile at someone else's misfortunes does not mean he wasn't enjoying their situation. Me not physically smiling at Fresh Prince doesn't mean the show is killing me.

[QUOTE=Maloof?;50469861]This is kinda just bullshit though Like I understand the whole parenting thing - that's a whole different set of rules, given that you are, for the majority of the day, the key role model for your children. But in terms of living a healthy adult life it's so [I]not[/I] healthy to force yourself to act happy the entire time and totally brush aside any thoughts of expressing discontent, disappointment, sadness, etc. I've spent the majority of my life pretending to be happy, doing the whole 'no I'm fine honest' act, and it's absolutely not good for you. It's not good for your relationships, it's not good for your friendships, and it's not good for your own health. [URL="https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_listening_to_shame?language=en"]Vulnerability[/URL] is where genuine interpersonal relationships are forged, and you can't be vulnerable with people if you're always dancing around pretending your world is made of daisies and rainbows. Pretending to be happy is bullshit - honesty is where it's at. If other people have got themselves to a point where they're automatically sympathetically taking on the emotions of others, that's their problem, not yours. [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] Obviously if you're moaning to other people 24/7 nobody is going to want to spend time with you. You have to have the sense to know when it's appropriate to complain or seek comfort or whatever and when it's not appropriate. Ration your baggage out amongst many people instead of dumping it on one person, etc.[/QUOTE] I agree about the complaining thing. I don't think it was implying to brush all feelings and thoughts of unhappiness, I think it's just trying to encourage people to be happy for themselves and others around them. I agree with you about interpersonal relationships not being genuine without negativity as well as the good things. I don't think people should be happy all the time, because that's not real. I just thought the concept of being happy as a moral obligation made sense because you are in effect, affecting other people, and a lot of the time, people don't think about that before they act. I think it's a message to highlight to everyone to not act based on their emotions all the time.

I'd rather be happy than be that asshole talking about how it's some "moral obligation" rather than just simply be a content human being, rather than a facetious philosophical wannabe asshole.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50469968] What I wish people would do more is express that it's okay to be sad or upset sometimes. It's okay to be broken up every now and then. .[/QUOTE] I totally agree with you here. I don't think enough people know how to express their emotions appropriately, or even at all. Especially negative ones because they are looked down upon. Everyone has their breaking point, and if people don't stick around for you in your harshest of days, they don't deserve to be around for the best of days. It's so important to value others in your life, and if people shun negative emotions so much, that's when people become isolated, and engulfed in their negativity. Exactly! Yes. Progress toward happiness always. Negative emotions are never permanent because guess what? They're emotions. [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50470086]I'd rather be happy than be that asshole talking about how it's some "moral obligation" rather than just simply be a content human being, rather than a facetious philosophical wannabe asshole.[/QUOTE] I find the term "moral obligation" a bit of an iffy term. I think he was just trying to highlight that people shouldn't act so much on their emotions because of the effect it can have on those they love. It's important to be considerate of yourself, and others. I don't think any of what he said makes him an "asshole". Some people like things like this, where there's a deeper meaning, and more thought behind it. Others like you, prefer it to be simple. Which is fair enough.

Fuck you random old guy, stop trying to guilt me for having literal clinical depression. That is so absolutely scummy. You're talking about making lives better, talking about understanding people, but you don't seem to have a single fucking bit of fucking empathy. Ignoring the people like me who literally cannot act happy 100% of the time, it's just downright unhealthy to put a mask on and never take it off for any human being who isn't a literal psychopath. I'm using literal here a lot because I'm not exaggerating, I'm talking about real actual depression and psychopathy. Even with depression, I put that mask on for so long it took a toll on my mental health and even with it on people could see I was wearing a mask. So what's the fucking point? A friend kept it on for longer, despite my advice, and ended up in a very bad state. Won't get into it, he probably prefers it private. But in short: no don't keep on pretending, do something, pretending will never help anyone. As for actually being happy, no, no I won't be happy for other people, that's fucking nuts. I can't even be happy for myself. And to be honest, that's what I want the most in this world right now. Everyone around me is stressing about exams, work, uni and stuff and all I want is to feel actually content. And I can't. I don't owe anyone else anything until I fix myself first. Like this guy seems to assume those who aren't happy are just going around with a thunder cloud around their head at all times: hey, I'm here to tell you we're not. Believe it or not, and I'm going to assume you don't from an entire video on how "happiness is a moral obligation", human beings are a little bit more complex than that. And parenting, parenting is a whole different ball game. Don't even bring it up in this video because that's being entirely disingenuous with your subject matter. In fact, that's how I'd describe this whole stupid fucking video: entirely disingenuous.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;50470146]Fuck you random old guy, stop trying to guilt me for having literal clinical depression. That is so absolutely scummy. You're talking about making lives better, talking about understanding people, but you don't seem to have a single fucking bit of fucking empathy. Ignoring the people like me who literally cannot act happy 100% of the time, it's just downright unhealthy to put a mask on and never take it off for any human being who isn't a literal psychopath. I'm using literal here a lot because I'm not exaggerating, I'm talking about real actual depression and psychopathy. Even with depression, I put that mask on for so long it took a toll on my mental health and even with it on people could see I was wearing a mask. So what's the fucking point? A friend kept it on for longer, despite my advice, and ended up in a very bad state. Won't get into it, he probably prefers it private. But in short: no don't keep on pretending, do something, pretending will never help anyone. As for actually being happy, no, no I won't be happy for other people, that's fucking nuts. I can't even be happy for myself. And to be honest, that's what I want the most in this world right now. Everyone around me is stressing about exams, work, uni and stuff and all I want is to feel actually content. And I can't. I don't owe anyone else anything until I fix myself first. Like this guy seems to assume those who aren't happy are just going around with a thunder cloud around their head at all times: hey, I'm here to tell you we're not. Believe it or not, and I'm going to assume you don't from an entire video on how "happiness is a moral obligation", human beings are a little bit more complex than that. And parenting, parenting is a whole different ball game. Don't even bring it up in this video because that's being entirely disingenuous with your subject matter. In fact, that's how I'd describe this whole stupid fucking video: entirely disingenuous.[/QUOTE] Look, you're not the only one who suffers from that. If anything, this video should motivate those who are depressed to do better for THEMSELVES (as the guy said, be happy for yourself, but ALSO for the sake of others). Whether you like it or not, depression is effectively a selfish illness. Whilst it is no ones fault, it consumes someone, it is up to that someone to manage it efficiently through seeking help and support. The reason this guy is saying it should be a moral obligation to be happy is because like he said at the end, our emotions should NEVER have as much influence on our behaviour, as our behaviour should have on our emotions. You can call me "mental health stigma supporting" all you like, but just remember that you do not know me, so for all you know, you could be talking to someone who has experienced mental illness. This video can be such a game changer for people with depression. In fact, I know people who got better, and whilst yes they should have been doing it for themselves, their main motivation was to get better for the sake of the sanity of the people they loved. Depression is a horrible illness, and I am by no means minimalising how debilitating it is. But people need to push themselves. If you act happy, a lot of the time, it can make you actually feel a bit better; reverse psychology. I think you should have a more open mind. The guy even mentioned it is OKAY to go to people about your problems. You just have to be considerate of their mental health too, out of moral obligation/respect. It's not always easy, and it does take time, even lose people you love, but if you get to a state of mind where you let your actions control emotions instead of the other way around, then you've made progress. You're incredibly dismissive of something that is of pretty good use, especially to someone like yourself.

This is 5 minutes of "Why can't you just be happy?" It doesn't fucking work that way.

[QUOTE=GisG56;50470182]Whether you like it or not, depression is effectively a selfish illness. Whilst it is no ones fault[/QUOTE] These two sentences are contradictory. Selfishness is the lack of consideration towards others, so by explaining that you think their depression makes them selfish, you're blaming them. You're suggesting that they are too self-absorbed. And by doing that, you can't say "but it's not your fault". By the way, whenever someone says "depression is selfish", I find it immensely hard to take them seriously and I wish that they never give advice to the people they clearly don't understand. I can get the idea that some depressed people are selfish, but to say that they are selfish because they are depressed is not only not helpful and incorrect, but detrimental towards their ability to accept themselves and not feel like a burden on others. Furthermore, no one is obligated to do anything for anyone. People should be happy for themselves and not for others. My overwhelming concern for others and social norms is actually what put me into my depression and made me unable to accept myself. It's only when I started becoming selfish that I started on the path towards happiness. [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] Like, seriously, when you say "happiness is a moral obligation", you're making some seriously terrible logical errors: 1.) you assume that people owe each other anything 2.) that being unhappy is immoral 3.) that you should worry about how you are currently feeling affects others 4.) that doing all of this will somehow not result in bottled up feelings, which can create anxiety and explosive behavior 5.) that the phrase "happiness is a moral obligation" is somehow going to make people feel better instead of guilty

this entire thread is people self projecting their mental issues and trying to justify having them to themselves stop hiding behind "it doesnt work that way" and take a proper look into your own mind already, and quit playing the victim as if depression is this nebulous unexplained phenomena that can not be overcome literally it was and always will be entirely in your head [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] what the fuck is it with this dumb hugbox fp has going around when it comes to depression

The only example that is true is the one with the parent and their child. Yes, of course around your children you should act happy even if you aren't because it wears down their mental state and can be bad for their development. But the rest? Calling it a moral obligation is not only wrong in the first place but stupid. You should find away to be happy again because it's healthy for you and reasonable. But other people telling you to act happy because "You're being a bummer/You're pulling me down" that is actually very selfish. You would ask them what's wrong and perhaps help them instead of asking them to be a robot.

[QUOTE=GisG56;50470182]Look, you're not the only one who suffers from that. If anything, this video should motivate those who are depressed to do better for THEMSELVES (as the guy said, be happy for yourself, but ALSO for the sake of others). Whether you like it or not, depression is effectively a selfish illness. Whilst it is no ones fault, it consumes someone, it is up to that someone to manage it efficiently through seeking help and support. The reason this guy is saying it should be a moral obligation to be happy is because like he said at the end, our emotions should NEVER have as much influence on our behavior, as our behavior should have on our emotions. You can call me "mental health stigma supporting" all you like, but just remember that you do not know me, so for all you know, you could be talking to someone who has experienced severe mental illness. This video can be such a game changer for people with depression. In fact, I know people who got better, and whilst yes they should have been doing it for themselves, their main motivation was to get better for the sake of the sanity of the people they loved. Depression is a horrible illness, and I am by no means minimalising how debilitating it is. But people need to push themselves. If you act happy, a lot of the time, it can make you actually feel a bit better; reverse psychology. I think you should have a more open mind. The guy even mentioned it is OKAY to go to people about your problems. You just have to be considerate of their mental health too, out of moral obligation/respect. It's not always easy, and it does take time, even lose people you love, but if you get to a state of mind where you let your actions control emotions instead of the other way around, then you've made progress. You're incredibly dismissive of something that is of pretty good use, especially to someone like yourself.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]depression is effectively a selfish illness. Whilst it is no ones fault[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The guy even mentioned it is OKAY to go to people about your problems. You just have to be considerate of their mental health too, out of moral obligation/respect.[/QUOTE] I'm not really feeling mentally prepared to deal with a proper argument, but here's the thing. You're contradicting yourself, you're somehow suggesting it sucks people have depression and it's not their fault but also they should feel guilty for it because they're being selfish and fucking other people over. Also, I'm really fucking glad I have permission from this guy to feel bad about things and talk to people about them, before I was just going to bottle it all up until the pressure reaches unhealthy levels and I explode. This entire scenario makes me think about religion, like the natural assumption here is that everyone is an amoral, insensitive, inconsiderate arsehole but with guidance from the more intellectually gifted, the ones who know better, they can become truly moral people. [QUOTE]You're incredibly dismissive of something that is of pretty good use, especially to someone like yourself.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]This video can be such a game changer for people with depression.[/QUOTE] You have a raging boner for this video holy fuck. It is not nearly as helpful as you think it is, in fact it's harmful. Can you see how ridiculous trying to make people feel bad for feeling bad is? [QUOTE]If you act happy, a lot of the time, it can make you actually feel a bit better; reverse psychology.[/QUOTE] I don't even have words for this one, it just downright amoral and wrong. Sure there's some truth in it, say you're feeling down for a day, but in the context of actual mental health illness, talking to actual qualified psychiatrists and therapists not some old conservative radio host: no, no, no, no, no, no, a million fucking times no, no, no and no.

[QUOTE=megafat;50470219]This is 5 minutes of "Why can't you just be happy?" It doesn't fucking work that way.[/QUOTE] The famous [I]just[/I]; "just" improve yourself, "just" get a girlfriend, "just" get a job, "just" find some supportive friends...

[QUOTE=AntonioR;50470281]The famous [I]just[/I]; "just" improve yourself, "just" get a girlfriend, "just" get a job, "just" find some supportive friends...[/QUOTE] We do we never say "just" stop sharing terrible videos on Facepunch?

[QUOTE=Melnek;50470237]this entire thread is people self projecting their mental issues and trying to justify having them to themselves stop hiding behind "it doesnt work that way" and take a proper look into your own mind already, and quit playing the victim as if depression is this nebulous unexplained phenomena that can not be overcome literally it was and always will be entirely in your head [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] what the fuck is it with this dumb hugbox fp has going around when it comes to depression[/QUOTE] What the fuck, are you actually serious? Nobody's trying to 'play the victim', in the same way that somebody who has a broken leg and says they can't run a race isn't 'playing the victim'. Depression is treatable, yes. It can be managed. But it can, in some instances, take a lot of work, a fair bit of money for therapists (esp. if you don't live in a country with some form of subsidised healthcare) and maybe the right medication. A lot of the time with depression it can be very hard, if not impossible, to 'think yourself better'. And yeah, it's all in your head. That's the definition of a mental illness. It doesn't make it any less difficult to overcome. Why are you acting like being supportive and friendly and empathetic is a bad thing?

[QUOTE=AntonioR;50470281]The famous [I]just[/I]; "just" improve yourself, "just" get a girlfriend, "just" get a job, "just" find some supportive friends...[/QUOTE] maybe if you actually took that advice to heart instead of being busy deconstructing it and rejecting it on the internet you would find that it's actually good, straightforward advice oh shit but wait, it might result in a better life and you wouldn't really want that would you, then you couldn't play a victim anymore and couldn't hide behind depression as the sole excuse for your misfortunes

[QUOTE=Melnek;50470300]maybe if you actually took that advice to heart instead of being busy deconstructing it and rejecting it on the internet you would find that it's actually good, straightforward advice oh shit but wait, it might result in a better life and you wouldn't really want that would you, then you couldn't play a victim anymore and couldn't hide behind depression as the sole excuse for your misfortunes[/QUOTE] you seem to have an unusually large boner for shitting on people who have mental illnesses do you have some bad experiences with the mentally ill you'd like to share Therapist Facepunch is here for you my friend

[QUOTE=Melnek;50470300]maybe if you actually took that advice to heart instead of being busy deconstructing it and rejecting it on the internet you would find that it's actually good, straightforward advice oh shit but wait, it might result in a better life and you wouldn't really want that would you, then you couldn't play a victim anymore and couldn't hide behind depression as the sole excuse for your misfortunes[/QUOTE] I'm so confused as to why basic empathy is so divisive. Like seriously, are you reading what you're writing?

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50470227]These two sentences are contradictory. Selfishness is the lack of consideration towards others, so by explaining that you think their depression makes them selfish, you're blaming them. You're suggesting that they are too self-absorbed. And by doing that, you can't say "but it's not your fault". By the way, whenever someone says "depression is selfish", I find it immensely hard to take them seriously and I wish that they never give advice to the people they clearly don't understand. I can get the idea that some depressed people are selfish, but to say that they are selfish because they are depressed is not only not helpful and incorrect, but detrimental towards their ability to accept themselves and not feel like a burden on others. Furthermore, no one is obligated to do anything for anyone. People should be happy for themselves and not for others. My overwhelming concern for others and social norms is actually what put me into my depression and made me unable to accept myself. It's only when I started becoming selfish that I started on the path towards happiness. [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] Like, seriously, when you say "happiness is a moral obligation", you're making some seriously terrible logical errors: 1.) you assume that people owe each other anything 2.) that being unhappy is immoral 3.) that you should worry about how you are currently feeling affects others 4.) that doing all of this will somehow not result in bottled up feelings, which can create anxiety and explosive behavior 5.) that the phrase "happiness is a moral obligation" is somehow going to make people feel better instead of guilty[/QUOTE] I mean they are selfish, as in the ILLNESS not the person is selfish. Allow me to explain. Person gets depression, they are then absorbed in their illness. It is not their fault they have the illness. But generally, when someone has depression, they are numbed from the world, they are obsessing over their own thoughts and often acting on their emotions rather rashly (at least some people with depression are like this). Acting on emotions rashly is a selfish action. Seriously? Perhaps try being more open minded? Of course be happy for yourself. The guy was simply stating that we should be happy for ourselves, and if we are happy, then that means we act morally towards others because we think more rationally. This is where things get complicated because depending on whether your open or close minded, depends on your interpretation of the "moral obligation". He simply meant that your emotions should not dictate your actions, and that means your behaviour towards others. That's like saying "hey it's okay that you killed that person, you were angry". You just wouldn't. It's not the "feeling" itself. Don't you see? He's simply trying to get people to think more before they act on their emotion. You should worry how you are currently feeling affects your behaviour and actions towards others i.e. projecting negative emotions onto them when they haven't done anything wrong. For the last time, the bloke in the video DELIBERATELY said not to bottle up feelings, and that you shouldn't not tell anyone anything. He just said to not over do it, I mean who wants to hear someone moan on and on? It affects others mental health as well as funnily enough negatively affecting your own, dwelling on your feelings rather than taking part in an activity to make yourself feel better. It's just a case of perspective. A lot of points you made were proved wrong by what the guy was actually saying, and the fact that you didn't really listen. [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Melnek;50470237]this entire thread is people self projecting their mental issues and trying to justify having them to themselves stop hiding behind "it doesnt work that way" and take a proper look into your own mind already, and quit playing the victim as if depression is this nebulous unexplained phenomena that can not be overcome literally it was and always will be entirely in your head [editline]7th June 2016[/editline] what the fuck is it with this dumb hugbox fp has going around when it comes to depression[/QUOTE] I totally agree with what you are saying. There are so many close minded people here, this video is actually super helpful to those with depression. It's pretty simple. Seek help. Change your mindset. Take control. Simple as. Otherwise, you just waste your life away, and lose people you love.