[quote] Schools in Birmingham are illegally segregating pupils, discriminating against non-Muslim students and restricting the GCSE syllabus to “comply with conservative Islamic teaching”, an official report leaked to The Telegraph discloses.
Department for Education inspectors said that girls in a school at the centre of the so-called “Trojan Horse” plot were forced to sit at the back of the class, some Christian pupils were left to “teach themselves” and an extremist preacher was invited to speak to children.
The report, into three schools in the city, follows weeks of controversy over the alleged plot to “Islamise” secular schools in Birmingham and will lead to calls for intervention. The report focuses on Park View School and its sister schools, Golden Hillock and Nansen, the only primary of the three. Inspectors found that Park View practised forced and discriminatory sex segregation and has “restricted” GCSE subjects “to comply with conservative Islamic teaching”.
Core elements of the GCSE syllabus were missed out as “un-Islamic” and an extremist preacher with known al-Qaeda sympathies and anti-Semitic views was invited to speak with children. At Golden Hillock, there was discrimination against non-Muslims, the report found. Its handful of Christian students “have to teach themselves” in one GCSE subject after the teacher “concentrated on the students who were doing the Islamic course”.
At Nansen, Year 6 children, aged 10 and 11, received no teaching at all in the arts, humanities or music.[/quote]
[quote] The inspectors found that, contrary to its denials, Park View did practise forced and discriminatory gender segregation, with “boys sitting towards the front of the class and girls at the back or around the sides”.
The school has always claimed that any separation of the sexes was voluntary. However, the report says: “Students told us they were required to sit in the places which they were given by teachers.” This constituted “non-compliance with the Equality Act” and potentially “less favourable treatment for girls”. There was entirely separated teaching, in separate rooms, for some subjects, the report says. [/quote]
[quote]Sheikh Shady al-Suleiman, an extremist preacher who “is known to extol... the stoning of homosexuals, anti-Semitic views [and is] sympathetic to al-Qaeda”, was invited to address students at Park View, the inspectors found.[/quote]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10775755/State-schools-isolate-non-Muslims.html[/url]
Sigh.
I don't think that anyone should be surprised, this shit happens when religion interferes with politics and education.
I know OP is getting a lot of funnies but in reality these kids are being deprived of things they really should be able to learn. I don't really think it's that funny at all
If it's as bad as reported, the government will intervene anyway as it has done before
In case anyone thinks this is just another article to smear Muslims, even Muslim parents have complained
This is why Faith Schools shouldn't be allowed. If people want to educate their children in religion then they have plenty of time to do it out of school. Religion and education don't mix well, seeing as religion is born from ignorance.
[QUOTE=The mouse;44588627]This is why Faith Schools shouldn't be allowed. If people want to educate their children in religion then they have plenty of time to do it out of school. Religion and education don't mix well.[/QUOTE]
It isn't a faith school, this is why it's especially a problem
If it truly was an extremist Islamic school then there would be no girls to segregate, but of course if they were caught kicking them out, their game would be up
[QUOTE]Core elements of the GCSE syllabus were missed out as “un-Islamic”
...At Nansen, Year 6 children, aged 10 and 11, received no teaching at all in the arts, humanities or music.[/QUOTE]
That would convince alot of people to leave the faith I imagine.
Fuck Birmingham.
I live in brum by the way but jesus I know we have a high-muslim population but this is so bad.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44588663]That would convince alot of people to leave the faith I imagine.[/QUOTE]
Not if they've been pumped enough religious nonsense from an early age to numb their critical faculties
What is with European countries and being fucking passive about Extremist teachings?
Like holy shit, muslims get away with the most hilarious shit in the UK. If I held a protest calling for deaths in the street, i'd be hauled away by the police, not given an escort.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary[/url]
This fucking guy.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44588713]What is with European countries and being fucking passive about Extremist teachings?
Like holy shit, muslims get away with the most hilarious shit in the UK. If I held a protest calling for deaths in the street, i'd be hauled away by the police, not given an escort.[/QUOTE]
When we attempt to extradite people who preach hate they play the 'I'll be tortured in my home country card' and the EU steps in and halts it because of human rights.
To be honest if you actively preach hate/death you shouldn't have that luxury of human rights.
We managed to get rid of that one guy though after 10 years by not listening to the EU at all, the one thing Theresa May has done in office so far.
As a guy who was raised overseas in the Middle East and attended schools where he was pretty much the only white christian with absolutely no issue, this is just depressing to see.
This is only going to foster xenophobia; discrimination in schools sets a dangerous precedent for younger children.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;44588737]When we attempt to extradite people who preach hate they play the 'I'll be tortured in my home country card' and the EU steps in and halts it because of human rights.
[B]To be honest if you actively preach hate/death you shouldn't have that luxury of human rights. [/B]
We managed to get rid of that one guy though after 10 years by not listening to the EU at all, the one thing Theresa May has done in office so far.[/QUOTE]
do you know what is meant by the term 'human right'
Forcing religious beliefs and customs on children is fucking awful, you cant directly mix religious teaching with factual learning without losing massive chunks of one or the other.
If you are the kind of asshole who wants your child to believe exactly the same stuff as you, whether they like it or not, take them to your place of worship, don't take your place of worship into their school.
[quote]Allegations that radical Muslims were seeking to “Islamise” secular schools in Birmingham first emerged publicly last month in a leaked letter, describing an operation purportedly named “Trojan Horse”.
The letter supposedly described how activists could stir up Muslim parents to oust secular headteachers. Park View and its chairman of governors, Tahir Alam, were named in the letter as being at the centre of the plot. Mr Alam and the school have furiously denied the claims as “fictitious”, “Islamophobic” and a “witch-hunt”.[/quote]
THE DOCUMENT WHICH I WROTE AND DESCRIBES ME AT THE CENTER OF IT IS OF COURSE AN ISLAMOPHOBIC WITH HUNT.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44588713]What is with European countries and being fucking passive about Extremist teachings?
Like holy shit, muslims get away with the most hilarious shit in the UK. If I held a protest calling for deaths in the street, i'd be hauled away by the police, not given an escort.[/QUOTE]
Because they don't want to be seen as offensive or racist, but really it's because they fear reprisal
[QUOTE=Steele92;44588692]Not if they've been pumped enough religious nonsense from an early age to numb their critical faculties[/QUOTE]
That and threatened with death by their family.
[QUOTE=.Lain;44588752]do you know what is meant by the term 'human right'[/QUOTE]
If you're a foreign citizen and you're calling for death to the country you're living in and actively seeking to harm that country, you should not be treated any differently.
A hate group is a hate group, you shouldn't get to hide behind your religion as a shield.
[editline]19th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Steele92;44588758]Because they don't want to be seen as offensive or racist, but really it's because they fear reprisal[/QUOTE]
People fought hard to be given basic fucking rights.
Fuck those who wish to destroy them in the name of their minority faith. You campaign and protest hardcore like that, you should be met similarly to how they meet the EDL, not given fucking extreme protection and a hand wave when what you're doing breaks fucking laws.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44588776]If you're a foreign citizen and you're calling for death to the country you're living in and actively seeking to harm that country, you should not be treated any differently.
A hate group is a hate group, you shouldn't get to hide behind your religion as a shield.[/QUOTE]
duh? that's not the point i'm making. human rights are for humans.
I wonder what will be done about it.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44588776]If you're a foreign citizen and you're calling for death to the country you're living in and actively seeking to harm that country, you should not be treated any differently.
A hate group is a hate group, you shouldn't get to hide behind your religion as a shield.[/QUOTE]
Nobody said anything like that, Human Rights are Human Rights, you can't take them away just because someone is being a dick. They could be charge with a hate crime or something but not have their human rights violated.
[QUOTE=.Lain;44588789]duh? that's not the point i'm making. human rights are for humans.[/QUOTE]
I think the guy worded it wrong. I think he meant that you shouldn't be protected by the rights to faith if you're attacking other peoples rights. Your 'Faith' isn't an excuse to be an asshole.
[editline]19th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=danharibo;44588801]Nobody said anything like that, Human Rights are Human Rights, you can't take them away just because someone is being a dick. They could be charge with a hate crime or something but not have their human rights violated.[/QUOTE]
Never said anything about human rights being taken away. I'm saying they should be treated equally, not different because of their faith.
Seriously, look up some of their protests, then look up EDL or UKIP protests. They're not charged with hatecrimes when they're actively promoting hatred and calling for death.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2aAH6k7e38[/media]
then why the fuck did you reply to me? i just said that human rights should be irrevokable, as long as someone is human. nothing to do with what i think the UK should do with these extremists (which i choose to keep to myself)
like seriously, what is the point in human rights if humans aren't always granted them? they shouldn't be a 'luxury'.
You have human rights. You shouldn't get to use the existence of human rights to stop yourself from deportation if you're a non native citizen and you're causing crimes.
Uh we do realise this is the Telegraph which is basically the Daily Mail but slightly more intelligently written, right? It has a major hate boner for Muslims. They also published an article about "The school where English is taught as a second language". You know, the school where English was being [i]taught[/i] like a second language because [i]nobody, of native or foreign origin, was speaking it well[/i].
The headline is 'State schools isolate non-Muslims' when the report is actually talking about a grand total of 3 schools, all in Birmingham which is well-known for its racial issues. The headline (and the title of this thread) makes it sound like some kind of country-wide issue. It's a problem, yes, and it needs to be sorted out, but it's not like we're hanging up pictures of bin Laden on every school wall in England.
Do you know of any other school in the UK where the teaching of Arabic is mandatory and forced?
Where people who speak and preach about killing homosexuals, extreme anti semtism, etcetc are brought in to teach?
Reporting is reporting, this guys been reporting on this story and the developments on it for a while now.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;44588838]Uh we do realise this is the Telegraph which is basically the Daily Mail but slightly more intelligently written, right? It has a major hate boner for Muslims. They also published an article about "The school where English is taught as a second language". You know, the school where English was being [i]taught[/i] like a second language because [i]nobody, of native or foreign origin, was speaking it well[/i].
The headline is 'State schools isolate non-Muslims' when the report is actually talking about a grand total of 3 schools, all in Birmingham which is well-known for its racial issues. The headline (and the title of this thread) makes it sound like some kind of country-wide issue. It's a problem, yes, and it needs to be sorted out, but it's not like we're hanging up pictures of bin Laden on every school wall in England.[/QUOTE]
Stop projecting or come up with evidence that proves Telegraph's anti-muslimness.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44588713]What is with European countries and being fucking passive about Extremist teachings?
Like holy shit, muslims get away with the most hilarious shit in the UK. If I held a protest calling for deaths in the street, i'd be hauled away by the police, not given an escort.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary[/url]
This fucking guy.[/QUOTE]
The authorities might be passive about this but there are more than a few groups in the UK who are willing to come to blows over this.
This news story seems really really fishy.
Here is an article about this same thing from the guardian a month ago that says is possibly a hoax.
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/13/alleged-islamic-plot-birmingham-schools-possible-hoax[/url]
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